Google Update, PageRank, Backlink Information - Page 3

Webnauts · #**101** (**permalink**) 10-09-2007, 08:40 AM

Everyone seem to believe that it began on the 5th of October. But it is very slow going. It must be combined with manual (human evaluations).

gurnav · #**102** (**permalink**) 10-10-2007, 04:53 PM

PR 4 the very first day ... unbelieveable.

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Originally Posted by Haze

Nice work webnauts!
Just had a similar experience when a brand new site got a 4 the very first day..
Mariah Boats Spain, Mariah Boats Showroom, Sale, service and storage.
Ciao Haze

tomcatuk · #**103** (**permalink**) 10-11-2007, 04:10 AM

Er, I think you mean impossible. Unless by first day, he means first PR update day after the site went live.

georgeST · #**104** (**permalink**) 10-11-2007, 04:32 AM

Is important PR in google, now?
Does it affect google results?

tamecrow · #**105** (**permalink**) 10-11-2007, 04:38 AM

georgeST - No, it doesn't directly affect your results. Your PR doesn't, anyway.

georgeST · #**106** (**permalink**) 10-11-2007, 04:43 AM

Thanks Tamecrow.

Webnauts · #**107** (**permalink**) 10-11-2007, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by tamecrow

georgeST - No, it doesn't directly affect your results. Your PR doesn't, anyway.

What means not directly? Can you be a bit more specific?

tamecrow · #**108** (**permalink**) 10-11-2007, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Webnauts

What means not directly? Can you be a bit more specific?

I mean that higher PR does not correlate to higher rankings. Do a search for any term and look at the PageRank and SE positions of the top ten results. PR only loosely refers to the authority or pulling power of any outbound links you may offer. Even then, it's one of many, many more factors.

Webnauts · #**109** (**permalink**) 10-11-2007, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tamecrow

I mean that higher PR does not correlate to higher rankings. Do a search for any term and look at the PageRank and SE positions of the top ten results. PR only loosely refers to the authority or pulling power of any outbound links you may offer. Even then, it's one of many, many more factors.

That is not 100% correct. For sure there are sites will lower PR and rank higher that others with higher PR. But that does not mean that PR has nothing to do with the search results.

If for example if my site has PR5 and ranks with Google number for the term "seo analysis", and others below me have PR 6 or 7, it is because PR is not the only ranking factor, but it still is.

Google says:

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Originally Posted by Google

Make sure that other sites link to yours
Links help our crawlers find your site and can give your site greater visibility in our search results. When returning results for a search, Google combines PageRank (our view of a page's importance) with sophisticated text-matching techniques to display pages that are both important and relevant to each search. Google counts the number of votes a page receives as part of its PageRank assessment, interpreting a link from page A to page B as a vote by page A for page B. Votes cast by pages that are themselves "important" weigh more heavily and help to make other pages "important."
Keep in mind that our algorithms can distinguish natural links from unnatural links. Natural links to your site develop as part of the dynamic nature of the web when other sites find your content valuable and think it would be helpful for their visitors. Unnatural links to your site are placed there specifically to make your site look more popular to search engines. Some of these types of links (such as link schemes and doorway pages) are covered in our webmaster guidelines.

More: Webmaster Help Center - How can I create a Google-friendly site?

Did you see my other post about PageRank here? How often does Google Update PR?

tomcatuk · #**110** (**permalink**) 10-12-2007, 05:14 AM

Still not seeing anything changing...and staring to feel bad about keeping looking at this thread. I'm desperately trying NOT to get overly concerned while at the same time worrying every other webmaster is smiling at his improved PR while I languish with the same results I've had since April or whenever it was.
Is saying "great post" still spam? Anyhows, Webnauts, great post. Really!

cass-hacks · #**111** (**permalink**) 10-14-2007, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Webnauts

That is not 100% correct. For sure there are sites will lower PR and rank higher that others with higher PR. But that does not mean that PR has nothing to do with the search results.

I couldn't agree more. It may appear that PageRank is not a contributing factor but that is likely because PageRank is only 1 of ~200 ranking factors.

I did an experiment though where I essentially wiped out the PageRank contribution of two of the most important pages of the site, at the time. Not only did a large number of pages initially fall into Supplemental and eventually become deindexed but of the pages that remained in the Main index, their positions in the SERPs, which up to that point hadn't varied more than a slot or two, all dropped more than their previous average variance.

Regarding any toolbar PageRank update specifically, I haven't seen any changes at all across any of the sites I monitor, not that that means very much although what I have seen and have been seeing for the past couple of months are sites having their toolbar PageRank actually zeroed, although not always across entire sites.

But the really interesting thing is that although their toolbar PageRank has taken a dive, their page count in the Main index, their performance in the SERPs and most importantly, their Google sourced traffic haven't changed at all.

This has got to be the strangest Toolbar "update" in history.

Personally, I wish they would just get rid of the "green pixels" period and save us all a lot of grief!

subhzash · #**112** (**permalink**) 10-15-2007, 11:00 AM

Hello Everyone,

I have a website which is showing 19 back links in Google. But in reality that site has 42 back links from page rank websites. Why Google is showing less back links and also my site has page rank of 3 from last one year. Please suggest me how can i improve my website page rank and link backs in google

Thank you for your valid time

Regards
Subhash

**mjtaylor** · #**113** (**permalink**) 10-15-2007, 12:12 PM

I have been seeing updates to the toolbar for some weeks now ... but these are not across the bar updates, but mostly updates that reflect pages such as listings or links pages going to 0 and into the supplementals.

Many pages that are not related to link selling or trades are losing PR ... and understandably ... a real estate listing, for example, or a product listing has a relatively small chance of being visited by a random surfer than more general content pages, and I see this PR update reflecting those sorts of adjustments as well.

As others have noted, recent PR updates do not seem to be affecting SERP positions or traffic.

I would never say, "dont' worry about PR" but I would say there is less reason for concern than there was once ... as long as a site's SERPs and traffic are stable, PR changes are not a reason to panic.

The supplementals are also not the anathema they once were. I don't want to start an argument here, but just to note that as Google gets more and more tight with PR many legitimate content pages (such as product listings) are going to remain in the supplementals without detriment to the site.

Cheers, MJ

**crankydave** · #**114** (**permalink**) 10-15-2007, 01:30 PM

Just as a reminder...

Lets not confuse PR (internal PR we can't see) with TBPR (toolbar PR that we can see). The latter is not a metric that Google uses.

Dave

**mjtaylor** · #**115** (**permalink**) 10-15-2007, 01:50 PM

Well, let's not - and right now we are talking about updates to the tooolbar that we can see currently ... so, for a very short moment, they are not confusing, because they are the same ...

**crankydave** · #**116** (**permalink**) 10-15-2007, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mjtaylor

Well, let's not - and right now we are talking about updates to the tooolbar that we can see currently ... so, for a very short moment, they are not confusing, because they are the same ...

They are never the same.

As far as the export goes, the snapshot of what is used for the toolbar export is usually around 30 days or so old so anything taken into consideration since then is not included.

Additionally, what you see on the toolbar us used for nothing as far as a Google metric is concerned. Internal PR, what we can't see, is always used as a metric but to what degree and for what is unknown.

Since correlation between the TBPR and the internal PR is not 1-1 a pages PR could have easily gone up or down without it being reflected on the toolbar. It could have also moved minutely, having no visible affects on rankings and still show an increase or a decrease on the silly green bar.

Dave

**mjtaylor** · #**117** (**permalink**) 10-16-2007, 07:04 AM

Ah, well, I stand corrected. I believed that exported PR was accurate at the time of export.