PageRank Update

[bhartzer]

For those of you who care about the PageRank number you see in the toolbar, it looks like there's a PR update going on.

I'm seeing page that normally were PR4 pages now show as PR5 pages, so there's definitely an update going on from what I can see.

As for what this means, it's not really that significant. Google has their own internal PageRank number that we cannot see, and most likely any actual ranking benefits because of the PR update have already been applied to the actual search engine rankings. (In other words, you're probably not going to see any major shift in your rankings.)

[Hurga]

I'm finding two different pageranks for checks using different servers. One is 4 (worse) one is 5 (same). The url for my domain name by itself (without the www) has a 2(same) on the first one, and a 5 on the other (much better).

I guess I'll have to wait a bit to see which one is the real one.

[JKomp]

My PR just dropped from 5 to 4. But all my PR0 sites are still at 0
:(

[OLYMPOS]

Hurga:

Its the same here since a week or longer - pagerank 5 pages showing a pagerank 4 for an hour or two - then again 5, then again 4. The first days i got headaches but now i am used to it :-)

JKomp: Have a look again at your page now possibly its back to 5.

There is no PR update done yet

Dont worry, be happy !

[bbott]

No update here - our PR is the same on ALL data centers.

You're just seeing fluctuations - not an update.

[greeneagle]

No updates here either, not even on new pages.

Ken

[JKomp]

yup its back up, very strange.

[JKomp]

I talk of it only as a point of interest, please note i do not give pr the same value as many others seem to.

[OLYMPOS]

JKomp

Sure. Its just a funny game :-))

[scanmonkey]

Matt Cutt Said

"PR updates are completely orthogonal"

Bigdaddy progress update (comments)

http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/bigdaddy-progress-update/

I wonder what that means.

[MathsIsFun]

Orthogonal? That means at right angles to.

So, does that mean that PR updates are done in the East-West manner, while everything else occurs in a North-South kinda way? Or are they more up-and-downy?

Me confused.

[damarzee]

What value, if any, does Page Rank carry anymore? Since October, I have not seen a single page I added to get beyond the blank page rank bar.

The problem lies in the instance where a possible advertiser or link exchange partner sees these pages with no page rank and just assumes the pages are of no value or that the website is too new...or possibly penalized by Google...none of which is true.

Google had gotten many of us accustomed to using the Page Rank as a general guide, but what is the point of it existing when a half year or more goes by without a legitimate update? Basically, this totally undermines any value or meaning because now page rank means that this is what the page was valued at 6 months ago or nine months ago....but i would like to know how it's valued today...or at least this month.

I do see some page rank fluctuations from time to time on other pages, but how can i even begin to take these values seriously when there is such a void in so many other pages not being ranked at all?

I am off on this? Is there a valid reason to keep the page rank indicator on my browser bar? Should i file this as having no value,along with the Alexa Rating indicator which can be manipulated significantly just by spending a lot of time working on my own website?

What is the point of these indicators, other than we get hooked to them and place their associated search bars on our browsers? I would rather they worked and had value, so I hope somebody reading this can shed some light on a coming revision or update that will once again restore some credibility to Page Rank.

Any thoughts?

[scanmonkey]

PR update is independant to the switch to Big Daddy

[OLYMPOS]

It seems the Pagerank update comes up right now.

[cbp]

216.239.57.99 & 216.239.57.104 are showing new PR

CBP

[greeneagle]

There also seems to have been a link (IBL) count update.

Ken

[OLYMPOS]

Here is a helpfull tool for you guys

Google DataCenter Check Tool v0.02

http://r95.de/_c64design.php

checks 25 different google data centres ;-))

***************************************

My results don't look too bad, don't they ?

66.102.11.104 future-pr: 6 5 3 5 3 3 3 4 3 3 5 3 3 4 5

216.239.59.104 future-pr: 6 5 3 5 3 3 3 4 3 3 3 5 3 3 4

66.249.87.104 future-pr: 6 5 3 5 3 3 3 4 3 3 3 5 3 3 4

64.233.161.104 future-pr: 6 5 3 3 5 0 0 0 2 3 3 5 3 4 1

64.233.167.104 future-pr: 6 5 3 5 3 3 3 4 3 3 3 5 3 3 4

64.233.171.104 future-pr: 6 5 3 3 5 0 0 0 2 3 3 5 3 4 1

64.233.179.104 future-pr: 6 5 3 3 5 0 0 0 2 3 3 5 3 4 1

64.233.183.104 future-pr: 6 5 3 5 3 3 3 4 3 3 3 5 3 3 4

64.233.185.104 future-pr: 6 5 3 3 5 0 0 0 2 3 3 5 3 4 1

64.233.187.104 future-pr: 6 5 3 3 5 0 0 0 2 3 3 5 3 4 1

64.233.189.104 future-pr: 6 5 3 5 3 3 3 4 3 3 5 3 3 4 5

66.102.7.104 future-pr: 6 5 3 5 3 3 3 4 3 3 5 3 3 4 5

66.102.9.104 future-pr: 6 5 3 5 3 3 3 4 3 3 5 3 3 4 5

72.14.203.104 future-pr: 6 5 3 3 5 0 0 0 2 3 3 5 3 4 1

72.14.205.104 future-pr: 6 5 3 5 3 3 3 4 3 3 3 5 3 3 4

72.14.207.104 future-pr: 6 5 3 5 3 3 3 4 3 3 3 5 3 3 4

216.239.37.104 future-pr: 6 5 3 3 5 0 0 0 2 3 3 5 3 4 1

216.239.39.104 future-pr: 6 5 3 3 5 0 0 0 2 3 3 5 3 4 1

216.239.53.104 future-pr: 6 5 3 5 3 3 3 4 3 3 3 5 3 3 4

216.239.57.104 future-pr: 6 5 3 3 5 0 0 0 2 3 3 5 3 4 1

216.239.63.104 future-pr: 6 5 3 3 5 0 0 0 2 3 3 5 3 4 1

66.102.7.104 future-pr: 6 5 3 5 3 3 3 4 3 3 5 3 3 4 5

66.102.9.104 future-pr: 6 5 3 5 3 3 3 4 3 3 5 3 3 4 5

66.102.11.104 future-pr: 6 5 3 5 3 3 3 4 3 3 5 3 3 4 5

[scanmonkey]

Since the last pr update we added approx 10% more
links and maintained a PR5 on the homepage and PR4
for the internal pages.

[freehits]

definately a few changes have taken place, including some domains started in the late fall showing perhaps a 4.

Lots of 4s moved to 5 and 0's to 3.

[26global]

Today is the first I've seen of the pagerank update after much anticipation from all the backend updates the last few months. The last pagerank update took a few weeks to stick once I saw the first glimpse. Google will be jumping back and forth the next few weeks with sites showing new pagerank and then reverting back.

So don't get worried if you see your site jump up in pagerank one day and then fall back or totally disappear over the next couple weeks. It's all part of the dance.

I have to say it's nice to finally see the pagerank updating after so long.

[cbp]

Google have not had a "dance" for years. These PR "updates" has nothing to do with rankings and a sites ranking will not "jump" around until it sticks.

All a "PR update" is, is just an export of a representation of historical PR to the toolbar for us to see. Its probably already a few weeks old and has been factored into the rankings back then. Google updates PR internally every day.

CBP

[megahertz28]

My newest site less than two months old, has moved from 0 to 4. (was crossing fingers for 5 :()
If & when I look at those future PR checkers for my site Unique Gifts they have all shown me a 5 and still do. I wish they were more accurate! :(

[Gary Golden]

Mainly with newer sites, so be prepared though I hope you retain your rankings but do not lay to much hope on GOOGLE in that respect.

Just follow proper updates to your site and work on increasing your saturation levels, hopefully you maintain your rankings within the search engines and the PR ranking should be the least important.

My site has been as high as a 6 and as low as a 4 over the last 2 years though the one thing that seems to be growing is my saturation levels and that is what I like to see, as your saturation levels grow so do your rankings though not at the same pace.

The good thing is proper optimization of my site has kept me at the top for the keywords that I want.

Work hard and prosper!

[brian.mark]

My blog, which I started just before the holidays at the end of last year, went from a 0 to a 6. I can live with that since I've spent no time getting IBL's.

Brian.

[incrediblehelp]

Brian I am still seeing the blog with no PR. Which prediction tool are you using?

[brian.mark]

Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

Brian I am still seeing the blog with no PR. Which prediction tool are you using?

No prediction tool. I'm just hitting it with my browser. Some DC's are still showing 0, others have the 6.

Brian.

[incrediblehelp]

Yeah I am seeing huge improvements in PR on all my websites, on certain datacenters, but who cares!

[sem-seo-pro]

What Matt Cutts meant was that internally Google has PR Updates daily.

Toolbar updates are only every 2 to 3 months.

Page Rank Predictors should be taken with a grain of salt as they only predict based on today and they do not look at the other sites that link to yours and predict their PRs in the future first.

Basically while your wasting time with a predictor.... you could be cleaning code, writing an article. or building a one way link.

[greeneagle]

PR predictors are a complete waste of time.

The best predictor is Google's directory.

Algs change all the time. including with "Big Daddy" here and now.

You always know where you are at, and are going to be with http://directory.google.com/ . There is no more accurate PR predictor.

You even know what PR a new Site will be launched at months in advance, if that even makes any real difference.

PageRank predictors outside of the real thing are just traffic games.

Ken

[netndx]

how are y'all finding out pagerank with your browser at google datacenters?

thanks

Sean

[greeneagle]

Find your site in the google directory.

They post the "internal" PR there at all times.

For example:

http://directory.google.com/Top/Comp...sic_Service/M/

I am on this page.

Ken

[isharli]

I have gone from a PR 4 to a PR 0...and no progress on IBL's according to Google.

Could someone take a look at my site to see if I am doing something blatantly offensive to Google?

My site is:

http://www.officesupplystop.com

Thanks in advance

[greeneagle]

Isharli,

You are still at a PR4, if you want help making it better, you might try the Submit Your Site For Review Forum here at WPW. The folks are pretty helpful, over there.

We are going to keep this thread on topic.

Thanks,

Ken

[OLYMPOS]

Isharli,

please be patient, there are still calculations going on.

[David16]

Certainly still going on, although backlinks have updated on all my sites and different datacentres showing different amounts of backlinks I still havent had a PR update showing on any site as yet. It doesnt really matter though as its only the little green bar. I noticed changes in SERPS about 2-3 weeks ago. My major site dropped to position 750 after jagger for a key word and its been crawling back steadily its now at position 55.

[rao]

Seeing increase in PR for some of the Internal site pages but still my home page is showing PR 0.

Curiously waiting to see some PR for my Homepage.

[Deep13]

I was able to see the new PR for sometime but now everything has been reverted and I can see old PR..

the only thing wonders me is, now PR is not much related to no. of incoming links...

Couple of my sites got PR5 from PR0 and backlinks were less than 100 (Not high quality / PR ones)

I guess google might be giving more importance to one way link than 2 way link exchange..

Regards,
Deep

[greeneagle]

rao and Deep13,

I have noticed some similar changes since "Big Daddy", particularly about linking and inner pages receiving higher rankings than top domain name, seeming undeservedly.

If you have specific examples you would like to discuss you can post them over here:

http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=61007

I have broken off a thread that deals more with looking at "Big Daddy" changes there.

Ken

[incrediblehelp]

Originally Posted by greeneagle

PR predictors are a complete waste of time.

The best predictor is Google's directory.

Algs change all the time. including with "Big Daddy" here and now.

You always know where you are at, and are going to be with http://directory.google.com/ . There is no more accurate PR predictor.

You even know what PR a new Site will be launched at months in advance, if that even makes any real difference.

PageRank predictors outside of the real thing are just traffic games.

Ken

Have you been monitoring this for a while Ken. I am just curious on the accuracy of the directory as a source of a "future" google PR. No doubting it, just want to know how 100% sure you are of it.

[greeneagle]

incredible,

Sure it doesn't play out for anything but listed URI's at best, most of the time.

I haven't seen changes there I would like to see either.

Are you saying that the need for algo changes inevitably outpaced any viability of the manual human volunteer driven model it still seems to reflect?

Not clear?

I have never witnessed anything close to reality using any Ranking Prediction Tool, except the profound; "You will probably remain right where you are"...what, 30% of the time?

The rest of the time they either falsely predict gains or losses.

The best predictor after all, is to continue content addition and appropiate SEO and SEM.

Ken

[incrediblehelp]

Originally Posted by greeneagle

Are you saying that the need for algo changes inevitably outpaced any viability of the manual human volunteer driven model it still seems to reflect?

Not clear?

Algo changes will always out pace a human based directory, but factor in quality levels when comparing then maybe not.

Of course in Google's case it was just a data dump from DMOZ anyways, but don't get me started about DMOZ or CBP will come chop my green head off. :)

Originally Posted by greeneagle

I have never witnessed anything close to reality using any Ranking Prediction Tool, except the profound; "You will probably remain right where you are"...what, 30% of the time?

The rest of the time they either falsely predict gains or losses.

The best predictor after all, is to continue content addition and appropriate SEO and SEM.

Ken

Yeah I don't care to much about PR, I think everyone knows that here. I thought you might have stumbled upon a place where these PR hounds can look for accuracy. If not who cares.

[greeneagle]

incrediblehelp:

No, I hate to disapoint, but I just haven't. I was just referring to that little green bar on their directory that reflects changes prior to public PR for a select few, some of the time.

I keep looking for real valuable SEO tools... and keep coming to the same road:

Manual, targeted custom competitive surveys and analyses, has proven to tower over anything automated I have ever found, and my computers are littered with outdated free trials.

Ken

[OLYMPOS]

New created pages having now a Pagerank at google toolbar.

İt seems "something" has changed, all new pages showing the expected pagerank minus one.

[virtualtraveller]

This surprises me, since I was anticipating the usual quarterly update beginning in April. But Google has gotten into the habit of even throwing us on that one and using irregular PR and backlink updates.

I've seeen no change on my various sites so far. True, the PR value on the tool bar now means little in the grander algo scheme of things but it can be frustrating when you're waiting for this magic little strip of green before you can begin any kind of link building.

Interestingly though, one of our main sites finally crept onto page 1 for its main keyword after 18 months of trying and this might be related.

Well, this little game of up and down is just what you would expect from Google.

[greeneagle]

virtualtraveller:

"This surprises me, since I was anticipating the usual quarterly update beginning in April. But Google has gotten into the habit of even throwing us on that one and using irregular PR and backlink updates."

We grew to expect regular quarterly updates last year, until Google got derailed with Jagger and had to build a new infrastructure.

It look likes we only saw construction traffic on the new roads with BigDaddy, but I would bet there is more traffic now.

I would expect a bit more serious update sometime this year, but it might not be until 05-07, or later.

They have already let us know that the next "big fly to swat" with existing proven technology is going to be the European Continent Update. They recently reinforced that emphasis with the widely carried BMW Site demonstration.

That "fly swatting" will take quite a bit of effort. If they aren't preoccupied with it, I'd be surprised.

Ken

[aaron2005]

This is a never ending update for me, check this out: http://www.seochat.com/?go=1&option=...F&submit=Check

When will it settle on something? Am I going to get the lame PR3 or not?

[incrediblehelp]

Aaron havent seen you in WPW for a while. Welcome back.

[aaron2005]

thanks dude, I come here mostly in times of stress, busy busy busy :)

[greeneagle]

I have just seen a complete PR reset of all pages introduced between Jagger and BigDaddy to ZERO, like they never existed.

It looks like a "BigDaddy" PR reset is in store, from here.

Anyone else seeing similar interim (I hope) adjustments?

Ken

[aaron2005]

Yes, I am seeing this one of my new sites. I have been bouncing around PR3-4 for 2 or three weeks is it now?