Google PR just a BIG joke says Employee

[scarytruth]

According to an Article I found on searenginepromotionhelp.com Google's Tool bar showing the infamous Page Ranking stat is just a big game to Google. While thousands of Webmasters are breaking there own necks to try for one PR higher. Google just sits back on their thrown of money and laughs at us. This is just one more reason why Google should lose the AOL deal and 11% of their revenue. Great job Google what's next, "Try and brand people with the Mark of the Beast".

View this article at http://www.searchenginepromotionhelp...ontroversy.php

[google junky]

I dont buy that the first quote shown on that page was from a Google employee.

1. It sounds like a somewhat well thought out forum posting, but not professional.
2. The second paragragh has "is it" rather than "it is". More like a person who didn't check thier work this supposed authentic answer.

My own thoughts agree with the PR being just a play toy for webmasters. I just dont beleieve the quote that was shown on the url you supplied really being from a google employee.

[scarytruth]

You know how those Psychic hotlines have to say that the reading is for Entertainment Purposes only. That’s why I think a Google employee would actually say that they are bound by law to say what it really is a big joke.

[Feydakin]

Yet further down in the same article GoogleGuy is quoted as saying that the above quote is simply wrong..

[aaron2005]

PR is just one factor but when a site hits PR6 magical things often happen correct?

[google junky]

well, i brought this up once before and found out it might just be magic when you get to a certain PR.
This site is a PR7

99% identical content and has been for months.
The only difference would be the links poiting to the main site.

shop.statelinetack.com
www.statelinetack.com

All through Jagger when one would vanish the other took its place. I see no penalty for this PR7 site.
This is a site owned by PetsMart

I always though duplicate content would get you take out. Evidently PR7 is a special place to do whatever you like.

[greeneagle]

google junky:

"I always thought duplicate content would get you take out. Evidently PR7 is a special place to do whatever you like."

Preferred Site Status carries different privilages at different levels. If there is any argument to debunk the current Google Employee authenticity in this thread, this would be it, because there is a definite correlation between PR6+ and extended privilages or certain spam alg routines being turned off!

Here is one of the worst transgresors of Dupe Content I know of:
http://www.csszengarden.com/

But it is appropriate and educational, so I guess there is good argument for "Trusted Site Status".

Ken

[Steve W]

I'd never thought of CSSZenGarden as dupe content... but it uses dynamic paths so I guess it is :-)

I am still confused by PR - especially since my CCCP blog went from PR0 to PR5 in its first public update and was only started mid August (I back dated the first few posts). It has no inbound links from other blogs AFAIK and I haven't promoted it beyond a 'feedbomb' submission and linking back to itself in posts or from my main domain, which got a PR4 the same time...

I almost always use my main www domain in sigs so for me it's a mystery why it's PR5 (not complaining tho')?

[freehits]

Originally Posted by aaron2005

PR is just one factor but when a site hits PR6 magical things often happen correct?

often maybe definately not always.
Had a PR6 for 3+ months now and ranks nowhere not even for the exact title of the homepage.

< 9 month old domain in real estate related market.

So "see sandbox thread for details"

[freehits]

I dont think its a joke, considering what i can sell a PR 5 URL for on ebay.
Joke in the rankings but worth a few hundred for people who think its important.

[scarytruth]

The joke is on someone who would pay that amount just because Google gave a site a PR 5. Just because a site ranks well on Google does not mean it will with Yahoo and MSN. Getting a good ranking on all three of the top search engines is really what people should look at when purchasing a site.

[dburdon]

Just seen a great site today with a PR of zero. Has IBLs. I seen other poor sites with PRs of 6+ and soem with few IBLs.

I wouldn't worry about PR too much.

[freehits]

Originally Posted by scarytruth

The joke is on someone who would pay that amount just because Google gave a site a PR 5. Just because a site ranks well on Google does not mean it will with Yahoo and MSN. Getting a good ranking on all three of the top search engines is really what people should look at when purchasing a site.

It doesnt rank anywhere, PR5 or 6 doesnt = a single page #1 as it wallows in the sandbox in competitive markets.

The ymay get their moneys worth as it provides weight in some link networks.

[freehits]

Scary, you should check out the
able2know.com MODS for phpbb

There is spider session id mods, removing uneeded PR leak mods, and a nice Keyword-url-rewrite mod for your forum.

start here, not sure where they all are.
http://www.able2know.com/forums/about15132.html

i applied some of there mods here, and you get URL's like this one
http://pokerforum.stackcheck.com/nor...ments-vf2.html

>>ADDED>>
Once I started reading I found a few more handy things to remeber. Like removing the momberlist URL links to avoid spambots getting bad links on your domain, also in the viewprofile page and template profile pages. Alot of spam outboud links on my domain there. Could have added a rel=nofollow for all profile member links, but better safe then sorry.

[kgun]

Just seen a great site today with a PR of zero. Has IBLs. I seen other poor sites with PRs of 6+ and soem with few IBLs.

I wouldn't worry about PR too much.

1. Correlation versus causality.
Correlation measures linear relationship. Much in the real world is nonlinear, eg. causality (in most cases).

2. Can we reach a point where pagerank is not a relevant measure of quality?
I think the answer may be yes.

3. Correlation and pagerank.
Personally I still look at pagerank when linking.

4. A head of your time.
Dburdon you may be ahead of your time.

5. Greeneagle. Here is one of the worst transgresors of Dupe Content I know of

Should it be csszengarden 'dot\ com ?

[virtualtraveller]

For more than a year now most SEO experts have discounted the importance of PR in SERPs but it still plays an important part in SEO, and certainly isn't a game to Google. Here are several good reasons to take PR seriously:

1. Almost all link activity still uses PR as a key measure of whether the source page of the link is worthwhile

2. It is a fairly accurate measure of the strength of a site, (ie a site with PR2 clearly has few ibls and is probably largely ignored by Google compare to a PR5 site)

3. There is still a thiving business in selling links on high PR pages, with lots of money being thrown at this

4. The Jagger update clearly demonstrated a return to weight of the index page PR, therefore a single page on a tourist destination from a huge travel site with a PR7 seems to rank better than a newer site with 200 pages on that same destination but an index page PR of 5.

5. PR is a quick and easy reference for whether a page (which your link is on) is being spidered

6. There is a correllation between the effetiveness of an ibl and the PR of the source page of the site/relevancy/number of ibls (meaning I would rather have 1 link on a relevant PR3 page with only 5 other ibls than 10 links on PR2 pages each with 20 links on).

7. The higher the PR the more difficult it is to 'buy in' for example to get a PR7 you would need to buy a link from a PR8 page which would cost a fortune, therefore a site with PR7 either has lots of money (and must mean business) or has succeeded in getting lots and lots of PR6 & 5 links.

[barrone]

virtualtraveller,
thanx for the post... the best post I have ever read (short, concise with all the answers)... it should be one of the 10 commands in SEO Bible.
barrone

Maison Chuchotement, Croatie

[ADAM Web Design]

The problem with a lot of these statements is that they tend to be accepted in blind faith without anyone questioning the rationale or motives behind it.

In this case, it feels very much like a red herring designed to plant a seed of doubt in people's minds and possibly get them focusing on more on-the-page stuff. Doing so throws off competition and thus gives the poster a ranking gain.

I'd like to know the name of "the Google employee" in question. But we're not going to find that out, and in all likelihood because it simply doesn't exist.

[Mel]

Originally Posted by virtualtraveller

4. The Jagger update clearly demonstrated a return to weight of the index page PR, therefore a single page on a tourist destination from a huge travel site with a PR7 seems to rank better than a newer site with 200 pages on that same destination but an index page PR of 5...



..6. There is a correllation between the effetiveness of an ibl and the PR of the source page of the site/relevancy/number of ibls (meaning I would rather have 1 link on a relevant PR3 page with only 5 other ibls than 10 links on PR2 pages each with 20 links on)...

I cannot agree that Jagger shows that the PR of the home page is important, but then perhaps you know something that I don't. Why do you believe that Jagger has something to do with High PR pages?

I also have seen no evidence to support the idea that the PR of a link is important to anything besides PR. Are you saying that of two identical anchor text links the one with the higher PR will have more effect on the rankings? And once more can you show us why you believe that this is a fact as opposed to an opinion?

IMO I would rather have one anchor text link from a PR2 page than ten regular links from a PR5 page, regardless of the number of other links on the page, but then thats just me and I am more concerned with rank than making the pretty little green bar grwo longer.

[williamc]

Originally Posted by virtualtraveller

1. Almost all link activity still uses PR as a key measure of whether the source page of the link is worthwhile

Of course it does, as it is something webmasters can easily see to measure one site against another. That does not mean that google uses it for spit anymore. It simply means "webmasters" can see it, hence they use it. In fact, it seems a better arguement that google would discount PR to the point of being moot *because* of the fact that webmasters continue to use it as a reference.

3. There is still a thiving business in selling links on high PR pages, with lots of money being thrown at this

Read above. This is not because google cares about PR at all. This is because *webmasters* do.

4. The Jagger update clearly demonstrated a return to weight of the index page PR, therefore a single page on a tourist destination from a huge travel site with a PR7 seems to rank better than a newer site with 200 pages on that same destination but an index page PR of 5.

Please show some documentation of this as you stated it as a fact and not an opinion. To date I have yet to see any proof of this but would dearly love to :)

[LinkMaster]

Originally Posted by google junky

More like a person who didn't check thier work this supposed authentic answer.

I wonder why they didn't check their work?

LOL!!

:-)

[google junky]

very good. you got me there :)

the spell checker had an off day as well as myself I think.