YAHOO Update Delivers Jagger Black Eye?

[incrediblehelp]

Originally Posted by espectations

I also networked in the industry - word-of-mouth advertising resulted and well, that is still the best form of advertising.

I cant agree more here. The best IBL's are from viral marketing as well.

[jaydilla]

Originally Posted by aaron2005

hiv and tacos? what are you a major spammer? lol!

No im a person with hiv that works at taco bell. And What are you ..........a jackazz?

[webreporter]

Can someone explain what Jagger is to me? I seemed to have skipped class that day. Thank you!

[incrediblehelp]

Originally Posted by webreporter

Can someone explain what Jagger is to me? I seemed to have skipped class that day. Thank you!

It is the name of Google latest update/algo change named after the now famous Matt Cutts. Someone (cant remember who) said that Matt Cutts is the Mick Jagger of the search engine world, hence this nickname.

[webreporter]

And why is this affecting Yahoo search results?

[incrediblehelp]

It is not affecting Google results.

[wilderness]

[quote="espectations"]If you want to do something rather add pages with content to your site. A Fishing site should have a lot of stories - I am sure you can get those from your clients or start a series of fishing tips for your customers if you are not doing it already.

Jagger update, according to the experts, is a change in the way sites are indexed.

From what I have seen, information, content sites are getting preference unless you advertise with adwords.

Hi Espectations
I don't know if I can agree entirely with you. I've just gotten my butt kicked totally in Google for my keywords, down slightly in Yahoo for some terms, up for others, and at the top for most of my kw with MSN. I built a site promoting fishing, activities, vacation in our region and it was doing really well everywhere until Jagger. I write a blog or stories for the site every day mostly to attract and interest vacationers but fresh content doesn't hurt with the search engines either.
Unfortunately, that fresh content means nada to Google since the latest update. I've been killed for the most part, but I just started coming back up slowly for some keywords today. And I mean slowly.
I wouldn't mind if some of the results were more relevent than my site. But even some of the sites I've built for other people in the region is beating the resortsbc site and that was most definitely not the case a month ago. Spammy sites are right up there as well. The odd part is that Jagger knocked me right out of Google SERP, but I've now got page rank for the blogs.
Finally, I don't indulge in any SEO that isn't strictly white hat. Well, unless I've screwed up something by accident. I built the site for searchers, not the engines.

[incrediblehelp]

wilderness,

Are you syndicating that fresh content to other websites?

[DrTandem1]

Originally Posted by webreporter

And why is this affecting Yahoo search results?

The Google update is not affecting any SERPs other than its own. However, searchers appear to be slowly migrating away from Google and using Yahoo and MSN more. This is gathered from web logs on how visitors reach the sites we manage.

It is suspected that the average searcher is not finding the results they want from Google since its update. They also don't appear to be clicking on the sponsored links to get the content they seek. Instead, the average searcher appears to be more interested in links to sites that are not paid advertisements.

That shouldn't be surprising, as relevant, organic (free) results are what made Google the top search engine. They moved away from it obviously because they can't make money off of only free search results, especially now that they are traded publicly. So, it appears they are watering down their organic SERPs in hopes of boosting their paid advertisements.

The update that people are calling "Jagger" has affected many sites that were once in the top ranks of the organic SERPs to a point where they can no longer be found using many or all of their relevant keywords in a search on Google. In their place are results of questionable relevancy and that includes many 404 errors (page not found).

[webreporter]

Originally Posted by DrTandem1

It is suspected that the average searcher is not finding the results they want from Google since its update. They also don't appear to be clicking on the sponsored links to get the content they seek. Instead, the average searcher appears to be more interested in links to sites that are not paid advertisements.

That shouldn't be surprising, as relevant, organic (free) results are what made Google the top search engine. They moved away from it obviously because they can't make money off of only free search results, especially now that they are traded publicly. So, it appears they are watering down their organic SERPs in hopes of boosting their paid advertisements.

The update that people are calling "Jagger" has affected many sites that were once in the top ranks of the organic SERPs to a point where they can no longer be found using many or all of their relevant keywords in a search on Google. In their place are results of questionable relevancy and that includes many 404 errors (page not found).

Fianlly someone who is saying what I have seen and known ever since Google decided they knew more than Inktomi. It is my opinion that they have never since that time had anything that was to me a relevant result on any search. They tend to favor large, corporate type sites whose pages only content displays AdSense.

But I still have a question regarding Yahoo!, why are the sites I am monitoring dropping on Yahoo and still showing up high on Altavista? Aren't they using the same engine? Why am I seeing different results on those two?

[webreporter]

Originally Posted by DrTandem1

It is suspected that the average searcher is not finding the results they want from Google since its update. They also don't appear to be clicking on the sponsored links to get the content they seek. Instead, the average searcher appears to be more interested in links to sites that are not paid advertisements.

That shouldn't be surprising, as relevant, organic (free) results are what made Google the top search engine. They moved away from it obviously because they can't make money off of only free search results, especially now that they are traded publicly. So, it appears they are watering down their organic SERPs in hopes of boosting their paid advertisements.

The update that people are calling "Jagger" has affected many sites that were once in the top ranks of the organic SERPs to a point where they can no longer be found using many or all of their relevant keywords in a search on Google. In their place are results of questionable relevancy and that includes many 404 errors (page not found).

Fianlly someone who is saying what I have seen and known ever since Google decided they knew more than Inktomi. It is my opinion that they have never since that time had anything that was to me a relevant result on any search. They tend to favor large, corporate type sites whose pages only content displays AdSense.

But I still have a question regarding Yahoo!, why are the sites I am monitoring dropping on Yahoo and still showing up high on Altavista? Aren't they using the same engine? Why am I seeing different results on those two?

[DrTandem1]

Originally Posted by webreporter

Fianlly someone who is saying what I have seen and known ever since Google decided they knew more than Inktomi. It is my opinion that they have never since that time had anything that was to me a relevant result on any search. They tend to favor large, corporate type sites whose pages only content displays AdSense.

But I still have a question regarding Yahoo!, why are the sites I am monitoring dropping on Yahoo and still showing up high on Altavista? Aren't they using the same engine? Why am I seeing different results on those two?

I think you may be generalizing a bit too much. I know of many sites that run AdSense and are not found in Google's SERPs, yet are in the top 5 of MSN and Yahoo.

I don't think AltaVista and Yahoo run the same engine. I haven't looked at Altavista in a couple of years. I didn't even know that they were still around.

[jaydilla]

Yeah the worst hit for me was my hiv site. Was top 10 in msn and yahoo and listed in the yahoo directory. The taco bell one has less inbound links but from moe topical related websites with natural lloking anchor text. i.e. fastfood.com and some other top sites ranking for that word. Defiantely looks to me like they aimed for SEO'd sites this time.

[falconrest]

Greetings Webmaster/SEO marketing professionals. This is my first and possibly last contribution to your forum. I am not a webmaster by any stretch of the imagination but have merely been a fly on the wall listening in to your knowledgeable and reasoned speculation on the Jagger Dagger that took my website down on virtually all of my paid search terms on Google AdSense (been paying for 60 or so keyword search terms since July 2003 with very few pauses to speak of) on October 10th from all of my mostly page one (and no less than page three) organic positioning.

My Blog Guru at MyST Technology (freshly launched four months ago) recommended that I check out this forum as you folks seemed to be seeking answers far and wide. My blog site was consistently in position one or two from the get go of my launch. It disappeared as well at that same time.

Anyway, I am delighted to report today that two of my search terms are back where they were supposed to be this AM, with Savannah rising to position # 16 (never been higher than # 10) after falling past position # 50 have returned to page two and Savannah weekend getaways is back in position # 7 after falling completely out of the top 100. I have held these dominant organic positions for close to a year or so on Google with my sixty or so search terms. And a quick check of at least another half a dozen or so that had fallen completely out of the top 100 reveals that are well back up on the radar and possibly climbing again (postion 15 – 50). My blog site has not come back as of yet - can be on the main page of my website under the “Savannah Buzz” portal” found at:

http://www.savannahgetaways.net

Not sure if this is definitive or not by any stretch of the imagination as I am nothing more than the principal of my website and seek to stay out front from a marketing standpoint. You folks are light years in front of me as I can barely limp along on the Internet, much less undertake to create credible web sites as you all seem to do. Felt like the least I could do was share this anecdotal evidence that at least my website Savannah Getaways has turned the corner, it would appear.

Thanks for holding my hand from afar over the past several weeks! Will certainly look in from time to time, ongoing.

Best,

Ron

PS, Ironically, the search term “bed and breakfast in Savannah, Georgia” never fell off of page one and is languishing in position # 1 as we speak – go figure!

[aaron2005]

Originally Posted by jaydilla

No im a person with hiv that works at taco bell. And What are you ..........a jackazz?

Sorry Jay, my mistake, I spammed Matt Cutts blog with you as an example. People seem to think that only people with "clients" are into SEO, it's just not true anymore, everyone wants to know about it.

[espectations]

Hello Ron,

No need to be so humble - we all started where you are now.

Just stick around here and test every opinion for yourself (I am big on the testing thing) and you will soon start to form your own opinion about things.

Remember that this is no different than any normal marketing or business principle.

You will find good resources and even tools here.

[jaydilla]

Originally Posted by aaron2005

Sorry Jay, my mistake, I spammed Matt Cutts blog with you as an example. People seem to think that only people with "clients" are into SEO, it's just not true anymore, everyone wants to know about it.

True true, although my brother is well know in the SEO industry I tend to just be in the background. Apology accepted new topic.