What Should We Do Now To Rank? Post Google Update Strategy

[trgriffi]

What Should We Do Now To Rank? Post Google Update Strategies:

Well, the results are in. This really stinks, and we all wish Google wouldn't constantly change into this evolving Chamleon. However, life goes on, and we all need to rank in Google for our businesses.

So, this topic is on POST GOOGLE UPDATE STRATEGIES:

1) Obviously, those of us that need to rank will contribute to the Google Cashcow - and fund their space project....
2) Good content, etc....

But what are going to be the strategies for figuring out what this UPDATE is looking for in a high ranking website? And for those of us that fell drastically, what should we do or change in our website?

Thanks & Peace,

Thomas Griffin
http://www.genesisglobalinc.com

[trgriffi]

Let's just pray that this update is not complete yet. Good advice has been let's wait a few days for it to settle.

[SEOforGoogle]

Yes - I've already seen a client site which had previously held the #2 spot for their keyword drop to #15, then back up to #11, and it's currently at #9.

One thing I did notice:

When the site was at #2, there were about 7 million results. When it was at #15, there were about 5 million results, and now at #9 there are about 6.5 million results.

Just wondering if anyone else has seen this trend as well.

[khurramali]

one of my clients website which i optimized did'nt rank very well, he had lost all hope in me, just today he came on IM and messaged me that he has top rankings for 4 of his keywords out of 10.

So there are success stories also in this update

you can't always bake the cake and eat it too.

[incrediblehelp]

Continue to write good content or build websites that will attract REAL, RELEVANT, AUTHORITATIVE links.

The content and the website itself wont get you to the top, but making your website a popular source used by many will.

If you contribute something like personal knowledge, expertise and information on your websites that is unique to others, you will rise in the SERP's...oh yes you will rise!

[nipplecharms1]

Originally Posted by SEOforGoogle

One thing I did notice:

When the site was at #2, there were about 7 million results. When it was at #15, there were about 5 million results, and now at #9 there are about 6.5 million results.

Just wondering if anyone else has seen this trend as well.

Yes I did. We were #1 or 2, sometimes both positions on many of our key terms.

Today we were going back and forth from 3 to 4 on nipple jewelry. But today, there are quadruple word score.... Results 1 - 10 of about 5,370,000.

Friday there were less than 2 million pages, as I recall.

Oh, and we are down maybe 25 to 30% on clicks. We do not use adwords but rely solely on the free positions. Sales are taking a dive…. This sucks!

Makes you wonder. Any suggestions, we are all nippl..... ears! :)

Thanks

Michael

[steveteva]

Hi my website was number 1 and 2 in all my keywords but since last update we are nowhere are on other pages.
So my tips, don't play the google game, the best thing is to leave and see in 1 week or 2 and the most important is not to get visitors from google but from incoming links.

Also Google hate network links so avoid having friends or reciprocal links to your website A->B and B->A but A->B, C->B, D->B is good

[ChiefTutor]

Well, here is a question about the update. Clients that I had optimized and then left to see how they would be received by the engines now have page one ranking.

But Clients I had done more work on, because they have more content pages, lost there page one rankings.

Does anyone think too many changes made us lose page one?

[amabaie]

Can we get past the usual "My site dropped, why is Google doing this to webmasters?" routine, please. No matter what Google does, there will always be 10 sites in the top 10 for each search term, 20 in the top 20, etc. For every loss, there is a gain. For every story of frustration, there is a story of woohoo.

The only thing you have to do is to be better than your competition, and that will depend on what your competition is doing.

Ummm...OK, rant over. :-)

[ChrisKeen]

Well, if it is all about being better than one's competition, I would G the phrase "Bed and Bath" and see how good that one is. Number six is "Web Hosting" and the website doesn't exist. The cache is a re-directed domain. Very interesting.

[floridalimey]

Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

Continue to write good content or build websites that will attract REAL, RELEVANT, AUTHORITATIVE links.

The content and the website itself wont get you to the top, but making your website a popular source used by many will.

I agree. Instead of trying to outmaneuver Google, which is at best a hopeful proposition, concentrate on things more under your control.

Build informative, helpful and knowledgeable web sites. Optimize and edit your web site to be SE friendly, but not to the point of losing face value for your visitors. Then use WebPosition to get published for spiders to find you.

Manage PPC and other paid advertising wisely and don't go overboard chasing high priced keywords unless they really do pay off.

Then don't sweat the small stuff or things you cannot control. As my grandma used to say, "Most things come out in the wash." Over time, no matter how many SE updates take place, a valuable site will bring results.

[aaron2005]

My plan:

1.) Focus on how to better serve my customers and the google index.

2.) Only trade links with those who have something to offer my customers and the google index.

3.) Focus on what people are searching for in my niche and try to find new information for them and the google index.

4.) Do my time in this thankless task in hopes that google will someday reward me with increased PPC.

5.) Turn off the computer before midnight and go to bed, oops, good night! ;-)

[espectations]

Cannot agree more on RELEVANT CONTENT !!!!!

Build web sites for your target market, not search engines.

G is not the only search engine out there - always remember that. I agree that web masters should stop worrying about dropping and going up in the search engines - rather take that time you used to check your rankings every day and write something new for your site.

Be specific, target your market, be an expert with an expert opinion on what you do. At the end of the day search engines still rank pages and not web sites so work on your individual pages with one thought per page.

[rocky1]

Love the signature aaron! (o:{

Personally I'm going to ride it out, after Florida Google returned to an algorithm that was relatively normal, and many of those that made a huge effort to conform to the Florida Algorithm had to start over again with the next algorithm.

My site's been sitting pretty solid for almost two years now, so I feel the optimization is fairly sound, and the last thing I'm going to do is run off chasing some insane glitch in an algorithm at the moment. If it doesn't return when the next algorithm rolls over, then I'll worry about making changes.

[scoobz]

Hi guys,

This latest change is the first that really seems to have affected my sites adversely in a significant way, but there doesn't seem to be a pattern to it. For some key phrases we've just lost a couple of places, while others have literally gone off the scale. One impression I have is that it's become more page specific and less site specific - or perhaps that, if you have pages which are not closely related to your site as a whole, that they have suffered somewhat. Has anyone noticed any trend in changing in ranking to their site(s). Or should I just relax about these changes and see what the story is like next week?

Cheers,

Christian

[kgun]

1. Write simple meta tags without carriage return that is reated to the content on your site. Be very careful about the title and description tags.

2. Write good content that you link between when relevant.

3. Do not try to be too smart, the SE's are getting smarter.

4. Continue this work during index updates. Do not get frustrated if your position in the SERP's dances when the Google index dances during the update. The purpose of these updates is to bring more up to date and relevant content to the surfer. Like the dmoz (ODP), the Google free index is not made for webmasters and SEO companies, but (in my own hope) for the surfer.

[skshr]

Hi SEO experts,

I have been doing SEO for my and other websites. The recent change in Google's result is of competition and rivalry with MSN or Microsoft's SE algorithm.

MS has created a new SE and started to list the sites with the same algo as used by GOOGLE. But it takes time to compete with Google in SE. Most internet users use Google for searching but now the results are not relevant, Now, I know smt went wrong in google's algorithm for example while searching for
a term related "website design nepal" it displays UNDP's site. When did UNDP start website development business? may be it has more backlinks! and there is term "website" in their texts. Google is spoiling the reputation it got for showing relevant results. They should correct it immediately, othewise people will go to MSN and Yahoo SEARCH for finding better and relevant websites related to the search term.

Backlinks is important but Google need to care for anchor texts (actuals of a website, summary of a website content). I am suprised to find that Google is showing irrevalent and unrelated site just counting on backlinks. I have also noticed site which have more traffic are ranking on top position even if their actual content is not related to the "search term", so it is not fair.

JUST the OPPOSITE HAPPEND!

my site was ranking well for almost 10 to 20 key phrases (on 1st page of Google results) but now I don't find my site anywhere, even after looking upto 10 pages. it is upside - down!

But NOW when searched for same phrases in MSN, my site gets listed on 1st page (even ranked 1st for many phrases i have targeted). Previously, when my site was ranking well in Google, i did not notice my site ranking in MSN.

CONCLUSION: MSN copied google's algorithm and due to rivalry Google changed its own algorithm for site ranking. BUT the Google's results are not relevant as before, Now MSN results are more accurate and relevant than Google's

WE ALL (SEO experts) are suffering from GOOGLE Vs MSN competition.

IF google doesn't correct its algo, surely it will suffer. MSN will rise.

I agree with some comments that GOOGLE need to test before impelementing the new updates.

Hope GOOGLE will understand the mistake of this update, and opt for showing more accurate and relevant results.

skshr

http://www.avenuesnepal.com/

[nipplecharms1]

Originally Posted by nipplecharms1

Today we were going back and forth from 3 to 4 on nipple jewelry. But today, there are quadruple word score.... Results 1 - 10 of about 5,370,000.

Ok, batman, riddle me this.... See my quote above. Checked the GIZZLE today and here is what we see.
"Results 1 - 10 of about 3,630,000 " on nipple jewelry.

Yesterday there was 5.3 million pages, today there are only (ONLY!) 3.6 million. Did Comcast and Verizon hosting go off-line for the day?

Suggestion or insights? Please.. anyone? Bueller?

:)

Michael

[Faglork]

Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

Continue to write good content or build websites that will attract REAL, RELEVANT, AUTHORITATIVE links.

The content and the website itself wont get you to the top, but making your website a popular source used by many will.

If you contribute something like personal knowledge, expertise and information on your websites that is unique to others, you will rise in the SERP's...oh yes you will rise!

Couldn't agree more.

There is no use in short-term actions. As for the current Google update: ride it out. Wait how it looks in 2 or three weeks. Don't panic. For those who rely on being on page #1 of the Google SERPs: Try to find alternatives. If your income depends on Google, you will find yourself in constant jeopardy.

Cheers,
faglork

[yjones]

I have found that google isn't worth its weight in anything.

A search engine's first and primary responsibility is to "find YOU" for others! It's not the other way around!!! We should NOT have to be a slave to a "search engine"!!! What the heck is that about??!! With all the new search engines out there fighting to be #1, google takes a back seat in my opinion!

For example: On Yahoo's Search Results
My website is #1 of about 86,900,000 for "how to pay for a home with no money down"

On google for example: of about 71,000,000 for "how to pay for a home with no money down" it's NOWHERE to be found!

Google can't even find my website if you type it in exactly: Home Sweet Home Mortgages !!! What a crock!

It's obvious that Yahoo is bigger AND better!!!

Again, isn't that the SOLE purpose of a search engine -- to FIND YOU?!!!!

google is a joke!

Google can go bye-bye as far as I am concerned!

[aaron2005]

Well if you think Google is a joke look at your stats and compare.

Google is still currently the only game in town, without results in Google you either fail or suck it up and work to get better results next time (in honest, quality ways)

Thank God - Google left the site where I sell my homemade craft alone, my other sites are just hobbies so it is kind of fun to see if I am rewarded with good results or not after the sandbox period.

[yjones]

What part of these "stats" don't you understand?

"For example: On Yahoo's Search Results
My website is #1 of about 86,900,000 for "how to pay for a home with no money down"

On google for example: of about 71,000,000 for "how to pay for a home with no money down" it's NOWHERE to be found!

Google can't even find my website if you type it in exactly: Home Sweet Home Mortgages !!! What a crock!"

Originally Posted by aaron2005

Well if you think Google is a joke look at your stats and compare.

Google is still currently the only game in town, without results in Google you either fail or suck it up and work to get better results next time (in honest, quality ways)

Thank God - Google left the site where I sell my homemade craft alone, my other sites are just hobbies so it is kind of fun to see if I am rewarded with good results or not after the sandbox period.

[ppayne]

Hate to say it, I didn't even know there was an update til I read this thread. I accidentally turned my Advanced Web Ranking scheduler off for a week so I lost some data, but unless it dipped and then returned I can't see any downward or upward trends for me, at least. Trends I am seeing:

a) I need to make smaller pages. On some pages I've got, say, 30 DVDs by an actress, say Aoi Sora (very popular, hence we have a lot of her stuff in stock). We _always_ suck at rankings for these people, either because they're so popular (there's too much competition), but partially I think because we've got too much content on the page, which makes the darned % of "Aoi Sora" tank

b) following this, we've been surprised to see some of our image pages, which just show images, title and copyright info for our images. Apparently this comes through as high keyword density (i.e., there are ten words on the page total, and 2 of them are "Aoi Sora", therefore we get some good ranking sometimes

c) as product "wane" in popularity, so that we have less products in stock for that person/whatever, and presumably so that other websites close down, our ranking for some of the terms we used to covet goes up, sometimes to #1, and stays there. It's a cruel joke that we get #1 ranking for product that don't have demand anymore, or that we can't supply.

J-List is a PR 6 by the way (the main page anyway). Is that high, low, or what? Can I ever hope to move up to a 7?

[nipplecharms1]

Originally Posted by aaron2005

Well if you think Google is a joke look at your stats and compare.

Google is still currently the only game in town, without results in Google you either fail or suck it up and work to get better results next time (in honest, quality ways)

Thank God - Google left the site where I sell my homemade craft alone, my other sites are just hobbies so it is kind of fun to see if I am rewarded with good results or not after the sandbox period.

yjones,

I am not speaking for Aaron but....

If only 20% of the people use yahoo, and even if you are number 1, how does that translate?

If you were #1 where 80% of the people search, and even assume that your conversion on Gizizzle is half of yahoo, do the math. You are still better off today getting the better ranking on Gizizzle, whether or not you like them.

My buck and a half.

Happy motoring

M

[yjones]

Why is this so hard to understand??? Yahoo had more hits on every key word that I use compared to gooooogle? I receive volume from Yahoo. Google is worthless.....let it go....stop giving that lousy company so much hipe!

For example: On Yahoo's Search Results
My website is #1 of about 86,900,000 for "how to pay for a home with no money down"

On google for example: of about 71,000,000 for "how to pay for a home with no money down" it's NOWHERE to be found!

Google can't even find my website if you type it in exactly: Home Sweet Home Mortgages !!! What a crock!"

Originally Posted by nipplecharms1

yjones,

I am not speaking for Aaron but....

If only 20% of the people use yahoo, and even if you are number 1, how does that translate?

If you were #1 where 80% of the people search, and even assume that your conversion on Gizizzle is half of yahoo, do the math. You are still better off today getting the better ranking on Gizizzle, whether or not you like them.

My buck and a half.

Happy motoring

M

[nipplecharms1]

Originally Posted by yjones

Why is this so hard to understand??? Yahoo had more hits on every key word that I use compared to gooooogle?

OK ok!

Nothing like being the best darn buggy whip maker!

M

PS - I have found found my Zen place and I can kick small animals named "Gizizzle"!

[jestep]

To answer the topic of this post, nothing.

Until someone can accurately define exactly what happened, or is happening, there is no point in changing anything unless you know you are doing something you know you shouldn't be doing.

In response to the 'make a great website and stick with it' posts:
This update is killing people who do just that. Its not getting rid of spam, or irrelevant results, its putting them at the top. Ebay and craigslist are both great sites, but month old posts and expired auctions do not belong at the top for competitive search terms. Seeing the same site have 4 or 5 rankings in the top 10 for a single search term doesn't help any either. This update is hurting smaller niche sites, webmasters who work very hard to be where they have gotten, and it is benefiting major corporations, and mega info sites who do not provide a lot of relevance to the SERPS for specific search terms.

Disregarding how any of my own sites have been effected by this update, this is the biggest step, in the wrong direction that I have seen google take, period.

[TexasJeff]

When I was a young boy heading off to college and preparing to jump into the "real world" my dad gave me one big piece of advice...

Only worry about the things you can control.

To base your success off of things that you are not in control of is setting yourself up for failure.

My advice is to find the things that you can control and concentrate on them.

Funny thing I find about Search Engines is that by the time you do well in them you really do not need them anymore. Kinda like the icing on top of the cake.

[aaron2005]

[quote="nipplecharms1"]

Originally Posted by aaron2005

yjones,

I am not speaking for Aaron but....

If only 20% of the people use yahoo, and even if you are number 1, how does that translate?

If you were #1 where 80% of the people search, and even assume that your conversion on Gizizzle is half of yahoo, do the math. You are still better off today getting the better ranking on Gizizzle, whether or not you like them.

My buck and a half.

Happy motoring

M

Thankyou, that is exactly my point, but maybe people into his niche search for the goods in Yahoo? I never see anything coming from Yahoo in my stats.

AND every time I see the word "nipplecharm" I can't concentrate on my work, stop it, damn you, change your name!!! Please!!! ;-)

*Aaron drifts off thinking about nipplecharms again*

[LinkMaster]

Originally Posted by nipplecharms1

Checked the GIZZLE today and here is what we see.

I checked it today too Nizzle. Fo shizzle me bizzle, I am not likin' this Jagger update on the Gizzle. I think I'll go watch some televizzle.

[nipplecharms1]

Originally Posted by LinkMaster

I checked it today too Nizzle. Fo shizzle me bizzle, I am not likin' this Jagger update on the Gizzle. I think I'll go watch some televizzle.

You and Aaron make me LMFAO!

I only know Gizizzle so i have to load what you said here in babelfish!

I hate godzilla! I want it to be last week again!

:O :O :) :)

[Linda Buquet]

jestep said "This update is killing people who do just that."

I could not agree more. My long established semi autority site (in my sig) has all but dissappeared. Can't even find it searching by the site name. All white hat. Don't know of anything I did wrong. Been on top for years. Did have a site re-design so at 1st thought I got sandboxed.

Although talking about post update strategy, I may have made some mistakes. Many people have said don't change anything just wait until this settles. I couldn't.

I FREAKED OUT! I changed a ton of stuff, anything I could possibly think of that G could have read wrong or misintepreted. Had a new site design in August and found some sloppy code mistakes the designer made like double title tags on a couple pages and stuff. Didn't think that caused it, but cleaned up and changed everything I could find. Removed all the cross links between my sites even though they were for users not spiders or PR.

One thing I have been reading a lot about that I didn't know before was the canconical URL problem. So I had my host forward my http//mysite to http://www.mysite - You may want to check your sites and be sure you have a 301 in your htaccess to redirect your NON www site to your www site. This issue has been causing lots of probems but not sure if its the main part of the fubar algo change, glitch or whatever you want to call this Jagger Update.

[crankydave]

I'm on the same bandwagon as Linda and jestep.

This "downdate" is making little sense to me at this point. No wholesale changes for me until the whirlpool stops sucking down sites and starts spitting them back out. Even my competitors, some I've never ranked above have fallen off the map.

This is not the Lone Star Cafe. Bubba don't like it!

Dave

[kgun]

A search engine's first and primary responsibility is to "find YOU" for others! It's not the other way around!!! We should NOT have to be a slave to a "search engine"!!! What the heck is that about??!! With all the new search engines out there fighting to be #1, google takes a back seat in my opinion!

I disagree:

1. The SE's first and primary goal is to find and rank relevant content (pages).

2. The new sites that are added daily should also be found and ranked by a good SE. How shall a new site be ranked by a Bot? What is a good ranking algorithm? What is a better ranking algorithm than another?

If you are looking for medical treatment for your child, you hopefully prefer that you find the best, in some meaning of the word, treatment. What if a SEO specialist's and KW's spamming firm that had a bad product popped up first?

But most people would not rely on a Bot at all. They would contact a specialist they relied on.

And the ranking may be different at different datacenters, especially during an update.
http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/inte...ta-centers.htm

http://www.searchenginegenie.com/goo...paddresses.htm

At least, if you search for your site's (pages) ranking, check it at the same datacenter.

Think about the following:

Ten people sit around a table with sorted cards. Then they are given 100 new cards that shall be put into the existing hands (index) and then merged to an overall sorted (ranked) hand. And some cards (broken / dead links) shall even be thrown away.

Yes, even with dozens of datacenters across the earth, thousands of computers and superfast connection that replication is not an easy task.

If you prefer a static index, we talk about different things.

Related WPW link:

http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic...=255280#255280

[whipnet]

Originally Posted by yjones

I have found that google isn't worth its weight in anything.

A search engine's first and primary responsibility is to "find YOU" for others! It's not the other way around!!! We should NOT have to be a slave to a "search engine"!!! What the heck is that about??!! With all the new search engines out there fighting to be #1, google takes a back seat in my opinion!

For example: On Yahoo's Search Results
My website is #1 of about 86,900,000 for "how to pay for a home with no money down"

On google for example: of about 71,000,000 for "how to pay for a home with no money down" it's NOWHERE to be found!

Google can't even find my website if you type it in exactly: Home Sweet Home Mortgages !!! What a crock!

It's obvious that Yahoo is bigger AND better!!!

Again, isn't that the SOLE purpose of a search engine -- to FIND YOU?!!!!

google is a joke!

Google can go bye-bye as far as I am concerned!

The only time I ever see someone commenting like this is when they have a very low traffic web site. Those who hate google are usually the ones that google doesn't like or doesn't know about.

If you ranked number one in Google for the same "key paragraph" as you do in Yahoo, Google would be your best friend. Everyday on many sites, I see traffic from all search engines. There is no comparison.

Maybe Yahoo does give better results, but that doesn't get you business when no one uses it.

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[yjones]

Maybe Yahoo does give better results, but that doesn't get you business when no one uses it.

I'm soooo burried in business from Yahoo! I'm addicted to watching what people type in from Yahoo to find my site. As I mentioned before: Google can't even find my company by it's name: Home Sweet Home Mortgages

GOOGLE SUCKS.........WORDS CANNOT EXPRESS IT!

Google is a !$!@#$!....I see what gets to their "top" ranking....what a joke! Worthless junk! Or big name companies.....Like I said...Mark my words, Too many other good SEs are rising up and I will choose them any day over crap like google!

You guys can all go waste your time with google! I love YaHOOOOOOOOOO!

yj
*[/quote]

[quote="whipnet"]

Originally Posted by yjones

I have found that google isn't worth its weight in anything.

A search engine's first and primary responsibility is to "find YOU" for others! It's not the other way around!!! We should NOT have to be a slave to a "search engine"!!! What the heck is that about??!! With all the new search engines out there fighting to be #1, google takes a back seat in my opinion!

For example: On Yahoo's Search Results
My website is #1 of about 86,900,000 for "how to pay for a home with no money down"

On google for example: of about 71,000,000 for "how to pay for a home with no money down" it's NOWHERE to be found!

Google can't even find my website if you type it in exactly: Home Sweet Home Mortgages !!! What a crock!

It's obvious that Yahoo is bigger AND better!!!

Again, isn't that the SOLE purpose of a search engine -- to FIND YOU?!!!!

google is a joke!

Google can go bye-bye as far as I am concerned!

The only time I ever see someone commenting like this is when they have a very low traffic web site. Those who hate google are usually the ones that google doesn't like or doesn't know about.

If you ranked number one in Google for the same "key paragraph" as you do in Yahoo, Google would be your best friend. Everyday on many sites, I see traffic from all search engines. There is no comparison.

[whipnet]

[quote="yjones"]

I'm soooo burried in business from Yahoo! I'm addicted to watching what people type in from Yahoo to find my site. As I mentioned before: Google can't even find my company by it's name: Home Sweet Home Mortgages

GOOGLE SUCKS.........WORDS CANNOT EXPRESS IT!

Google is a !$!@#$!....I see what gets to their "top" ranking....what a joke! Worthless junk! Or big name companies.....Like I said...Mark my words, Too many other good SEs are rising up and I will choose them any day over crap like google!

You guys can all go waste your time with google! I love YaHOOOOOOOOOO!
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Oh OK, but this just didn't indicate a very busy site regardless of where the traffic comes from:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...emortgages.net

Your keywords in a search frequency report did not hit the charts at all.

I was only guessing of course.

I get 1000's of hits a day from Yahoo, but it's nothing compared to Google. "WORDS CAN'T EXPRESS IT" as you claim, but raw numbers do. More Yahoo power to you. :)

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[cbp]

lol

GOOGLE SUCKS.........WORDS CANNOT EXPRESS IT!

Google is a !$!@#$!....I see what gets to their "top" ranking....what a joke! Worthless junk! Or big name companies.....Like I said...Mark my words, Too many other good SEs are rising up and I will choose them any day over crap like google!

How many times have we seen this sort of thing written over the years -- Google still have, by far, the largest market share - it has not declined.

Almost all of my sites rank in top 1-5 in Yahoo and in the top 1-10 in Google. Despite the slightly lower rankings in Google, I still get 20x more raffic from Google. Thats why Google is important and I don't waste my time on Google - you can rant about it as much as you like, but it does not change Google market share.

If you don't rank well in Google, its simply a matter of not having enough of what Google uses in its ranking algoritm

CBP

[LinkMaster]

Sounds like some of these folks are ready to say goodbyzzle to the Gizzle and hello to the YaHizzle.

[DMC_34]

Originally Posted by cbp

lol

How many times have we seen this sort of thing written over the years -- Google still have, by far, the largest market share - it has not declined.

Almost all of my sites rank in top 1-5 in Yahoo and in the top 1-10 in Google. Despite the slightly lower rankings in Google, I still get 20x more raffic from Google. Thats why Google is important and I don't waste my time on Google - you can rant about it as much as you like, but it does not change Google market share.

Hard to argue this point. Google is 2 times the traffic of what MSN and Yahoo sends us combined. Without question Google will remain the most important to us until this changes. I do believe Google's popularity is ridden by fame and marketing. They do have a better spam filtering algo, but just why is that? Because they keep new sites out for the most part for ranking on big keywords where as MSN does not. MSN has improved and stunts like this will alientate the very people which built Google's fame. I admit, my love for Google will last as long as my rankings do. I hope MSN comes on strong, once they do the competition might give Google some humility and bring them back down to earth a little.

The very nature of people getting so upset proves how important Google is. I dont see too many upset about losing #1 on MSN. Hopefully that will change, but until then Google's got the check.

DMC

[sysop9999]

I was just kinda wondering about something ....

Everyone praise how much they need the traffic from google and all that, but have any of you any experience or statistics about who your customers comes from? I mean, which searchengine do they come from.

It's my own experience (without any backup on that of course), that most google-searchers are just freebies, while the peeps from msn and yahoo are real buyers.

[DMC_34]

Originally Posted by sysop9999

Everyone praise how much they need the traffic from google and all that, but have any of you any experience or statistics about who your customers comes from? I mean, which searchengine do they come from.

It's my own experience (without any backup on that of course), that most google-searchers are just freebies, while the peeps from msn and yahoo are real buyers.

Our data lays out like this:
Traffic:
1. Google - hands down
2. MSN - Just under half of what Google sends but has been climbing dramatically. MSN Pilot which we will be doing should increase this number even more.
3. Yahoo - Very close to MSN

Conversions per visitor:
1. MSN - Beats Google out, shocking but our 10K Web Trends enterprise says so.
2. Google - Not to far behind MSN
3. Yahoo - Umm I could get better conversions with a front yard lemonade stand.


Based on traffic and conversions:
1. Google - Massive referrals + Good conversion rate
2. MSN - If the traffic would pick to 85% of what Google sends they would be #1
3. Yahoo - Read #3 above. :)


Each business is diferrent, it mainly depends on who you target. Yahoo seems to be the younger generation. Google is mostly computer savvy people and businesses. MSN is mostly business and unsavvy computer user(default search engine in i.e.)

I am cheering MSN on. Microsoft offers so much more than Google does:
1. DotNet - The best Development software (BTW, no I am not impressed with Googles new relation with sun)
2. Operating systems
3. Management software
4. One of my favorites XBOX (XBOX 360 in November already reserved, now waiting for Halo 3)
on and on...

DMC

[whipnet]

Originally Posted by LinkMaster

Sounds like some of these folks are ready to say goodbyzzle to the Gizzle and hello to the YaHizzle.

It's doesn't matter if people here switch to Yahoo for optimization, what matters is what the real world uses for searching.

For the record, I use search.com for personal searches. Oldie but goodie. :)
They combine results from various engines and always get me great results. :)

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[April98]

I don't know if this is a fluke or not, but I did a little experiment because it seemed to work for me the last time I saw my site fall (in February).

For 3 of the items I ranked the best for, I bought Adwords ads for them this week. No more than $3-5/day budgets and about 30 cents per click. I activated the ads 2 days ago. I also checked my keywords 2 days ago and things I ranked #1 for, I was ranking in the 500s for 2 days ago.

So, I wondered if placing ads would improve the rankings of my organic searches for similar keywords. I don't know if it's a fluke or not, but I've seen one of the items return to #2 or #3(depending on the keywords), up from 100 2 days ago. Basically, they have been restored to their rank prior to the "jagger" jagged sword came along and cut their hearts out. For one of the other items I'm ranking higher than I did pre-update for broad keywords related to the item, and for another item, I have had positive climbs in the keywords, but I'm not yet back to pre-update ranking.



Has anyone else noticed any relation to Adwords campaigns and ranking? It may be completely unrelated, but it does make me want to buy more Adwords for the other keywords that have fallen off the map, to see if they return.

Whatever happens, "It is well with my soul" nonetheless.

[aaron2005]

You can not reason with an angry monkey once the crap starts flying...

[DMC_34]

Originally Posted by April98

Has anyone else noticed any relation to Adwords campaigns and ranking?

There isnt a relation. We have an adword "Greeting cards" spend close 7k a day on. We used to be #21 now we are 80ish.

DMC

[April98]

Ok, it was just an observation. Still, I might try a few more little adwords.

[April98]

Ok, it was just an observation. Still, I might try a few more little adwords.

[DMC_34]

Originally Posted by April98

Ok, it was just an observation. Still, I might try a few more little adwords.

I would be interested in the results. Let us know if you do go up.

DMC

[sysop9999]

DMC, thx for the info.

I would say that it's all about conversion per visitor (ROI and all that), so to be depending on google seems to me like betting on one horse only - and taking the effort, time and money it cost to climb up those rankings, would make any ROI look almost rediciously low. Especially as google is always changing 'minor' things that can put peeps out of business any day.

Of course, MSN and Yahoo does the same, but knowing who MSN really is, we also know that when they say 'minor things', it's microscobecly (umm.... is that a word?) :-)
And no, it's not to put MS down - I kinda like MSN myself; they're alot faster to update their database and whenever I want to buy something, I look for it at MSN - Google is for research purposes only or to find out weird stuff.