I though Page Rank was only a Google Thing?

[flanok]

Hi,
With this update, one of my sites went from a PR of 3 to 4. What was strange is how I moved up 150 places for one term on one search engine and 50 to 60 or so on other terms over 5 more search engines. Ironically I dropped one postion on google to a not impressive 554. In reality this improved PR affected me well right across all of the earch engines except Google. Strangly though I thought PR would only affect Google ranking? Why has this happend, and thru out these posts I understood Page rank was no longer important to your search engine position?

My second new site www.anthonyrobbins-tickets.co.uk (only 6 weeks old). Went from no PR to a 2.
It has now gone from a no 1 postion in Yahoo to non existant after this PR change(for the term anthony robbins tickets)It has also dropped from no 1 to 56 in Lycos. Again how does googles PR change affect every other search engine?
Many Thanks
Mark

[DMC_34]

PR has very little to no affect on Google keyword rankings. Fact of matter is PR DOES NOT affect Yahoo nor MSN nor any other. Yahoo has recently updated their index and since MSN and Yahoo use different algo's, you can rank well on any of them or all 3 or none.

I would suspect more IBL's increased your rankings which may have benefitted your PR due to more IBL's

DMC

[cbp]

All search engines use some form of link popularity as a measure of the importance of a website - it forms part of the ranking formula in all search engines (they migt weight it differently)

PR is nothing more than Google's trademarked version of link poplarity that they let us see from time to time on the toolbar.

CBP

[DMC_34]

CBP is correct but there is a slight difference:

Link Popularity with Google has proven PR doesnt always pass especially with irrelevant links, age factors may also play in this.

Yahoo and MSN do not have as strict criteria. Both seem to put much more emphasis in onpage factos when ranking pages but they will count an automotive link from health care place very easily.


I have seen sites with 8k IBL's on Google and a grand PR 4. CardsDirect has 8K IBL and PR 6. So in short PR is not just link popularity but link popularity with a twist, it factors where and how relevant the IBLs found are. Also I have heard if the link growth rate halts for a period of time the PR value may drop even though the number of links havent dropped.

DMC

[flanok]

Thanks for the replies Guys.
It just seemed a huge coincidence that one site improves greatly exactly on the day my PR changes.
And my second site drops down massively on the same day its PR changes.

Thanks again

Mark

[cbp]

It just seemed a huge coincidence that one site improves greatly exactly on the day my PR changes.
And my second site drops down massively on the same day its PR changes.

It does not work like that. When Google exports PR to the toolbar for public display, its the PR that has been factored into the search results already - some suggest as long as 2 weeks before the export. Search results will not change when PR is updated on the toolbar - if yours did, look for other reasons.

CBP

[brian.mark]

Originally Posted by flanok

Thanks for the replies Guys.
It just seemed a huge coincidence that one site improves greatly exactly on the day my PR changes.
And my second site drops down massively on the same day its PR changes.

Thanks again

Mark

Actually, the coincidence was that Google's public PR update happened at the same time that Yahoo did a major index update and a minor algo update. MSN's results seem to be changing quite often yet as they're still trying to figure out which algo they want to use. Every day seems to be a whole new set of relevant results with them.

Brian.