How much for PR9 text link

[maxseo]

Hi

I contacted webmaster who has PR9 web site (that is is home page)

I want to advertise on his page and place a text link, He wants $1000 a month, isn't it too much?

How much should I pay him,

Note: he only has 2 OBL'S, and he supposingly charges then the same money

[DMC_34]

Originally Posted by maxseo

Hi

I contacted webmaster who has PR9 web site (that is is home page)

I want to advertise on his page and place a text link, He wants $1000 a month, isn't it too much?

How much should I pay him,

Note: he only has 2 OBL'S, and he supposingly charges then the same money

About right. I have seen some go around 1500-2000. If it isnt related it wont do you any good.

[KeithO]

Isn't this the same sort of practice Google doesn't want? I gotta agree with Danny Sullivan that you can't put so much weight on PR scores.

[coder]

I'd have to imagine if they have a PR9 on their site that they have a decent site with a steady flow of traffic. If that's the case, then yes $1000 is really cheap. Especially if the site is related to yours and if your link will be displayed in a visible location all month and not just PPC.

So if the site is related to yours and you will get a visible text link all month and the site receives a steady amount of traffic, sounds like a good deal. However, if your just linking because of their PR and thinking that it will raise your SERP then it probably won't do you much good.

[flood6]

I agree with Phantom. I don't think a link on a PR9 site is worth $1000 per month unless it's also giving me a lot of relevant traffic.

If you really want to buy text ads from sites, search Google for phrases like "text ads" and "buy text links", you'll find plenty of sites that offer auctions and other services. If nothing else, it should give you an idea of the price range to expect.

[tcampione]

For $1k/month I think I'd need more than a lot of traffic. I'd need lots of ready made buyers :-)

/*tom*/

[jacobwissler]

You just told the world that this will be a purchased link. Not a good idea. I am confident that Google discounts paid links, or will in the future. Having said that, $1,000 is a very low price.

Make sure he doesn't have a PR9 because he participated in some black hat stuff. For example, I recently picked up a client with 4 IBL from PR3 sites and he has a PR6. Alarm bells are going off in my head; I want to know where this PR6 came from before I link to this client.

[DMC_34]

Originally Posted by Keith0

Isn't this the same sort of practice Google doesn't want? I gotta agree with Danny Sullivan that you can't put so much weight on PR scores.

Originally Posted by jacobwissler

You just told the world that this will be a purchased link. Not a good idea. I am confident that Google discounts paid links, or will in the future. Having said that, $1,000 is a very low price.

Discount paid links? I sincerely doubt that. Much more goes into then if its paid. Hell, most directory listings are paid.

If someone wants to shell out 5 bucks or 1 grand, why is that bad? Hell some of my advertisers cost alot more than a grand a month. Just because the guy mentioned PR doesnt make it necessarilly bad.

Google sells links all the time its called Adwords, but God forbid anyone else selling one. Even if it they purchasing for pure PR, let them, it will not do them any good. PR = squat when it comes to rankings.

DMC

[KeithO]

Originally Posted by DMC_34

Discount paid links? I sincerely doubt that. Much more goes into then if its paid. Hell, most directory listings are paid.

If someone wants to shell out 5 bucks or 1 grand, why is that bad? Hell some of my advertisers cost alot more than a grand a month. Just because the guy mentioned PR doesnt make it necessarilly bad.

Google sells links all the time its called Adwords, but God forbid anyone else selling one. Even if it they purchasing for pure PR, let them, it will not do them any good. PR = squat when it comes to rankings.

DMC

adwords isn't about selling links, its about selling advertisements. A link campaign is different from an advertising campaign. Don't get them twisted into one entity.

Say you had one of your adwords ads displayed on a site w/ a PR of 10, you don't get credited with having a backlink from a PR10 web site.

BTW, paid links could very easily turn into link farms.

[DMC_34]

Originally Posted by KeithO

adwords isn't about selling links, its about selling advertisements. A link campaign is different from an advertising campaign. Don't get them twisted into one entity.

Oh please. Do honestly think a link isnt an advertisement? Most talk about buying links and the immediate thought is TABOO. There is a big difference bewteen buying 5000 index links on spammy irrelevant, 1 page site wonders and getting a link from a high traffic high PR site. You are wrong. The bottom line is if someone wants to purchase link on a high traffic site or an adword, both bring traffic.

Originally Posted by KeithO

Say you had one of your adwords ads displayed on a site w/ a PR of 10, you don't get credited with having a backlink from a PR10 web site.

Ok let us address this. Google has said do not buy links for PR. Hmmm. So if I buy a link on a PR 9 for traffic(I dont but lets say I do) whos to say its not for traffic? Not you nor Google can for sure say its for PR or traffic. I guess Google is going to penalize or discount a link I spend 25k/day on Yahoo home page? They are a PR 9, right? NO.

Originally Posted by KeithO

BTW, paid links could very easily turn into link farms.

Yes and I could easily convert Budda as well. What merit does that have? In the very least it is prejudice.

Buying Advertising or links or whatever else to increase traffic is part of marketing. The goal to increase conversions. Since when have people lost sight of this? Just because Google doesnt like people messing with their PR? IMO that is Google's problem which is probably fixed now taking relevancy of the link for fixing it or not passing PR. I dislike irrelevant link buying as much as the typcial webmaster on this forum but to over generalize buying text links with added "PR 9" is just wrong.

PR doesnt mean anything to rankings. It hasnt for a long time now. If someone wants to buy a link for PR, fine by me, let them waste their money. It probably wont pass anyways unless it is relevant or a certain age.

DMC

[KeithO]

Originally Posted by DMC_34

Oh please. Do honestly think a link isnt an advertisement? Most talk about buying links and the immediate thought is TABOO. There is a big difference bewteen buying 5000 index links on spammy irrelevant, 1 page site wonders and getting a link from a high traffic high PR site. You are wrong. The bottom line is if someone wants to purchase link on a high traffic site or an adword, both bring traffic.

I didn't say that a link isn't an advertisement. However you do need to distinguish the two as seperate entities for campaigns. I do not think that an adWords link constitutes a bonafide, static link on a page. For example, all of the local news channels for me use the same company to do their web sites. Each page has advertisements. There is also a seperate are for links. You would need to approach each individually to get on both. Does that make sense to you?

Originally Posted by DMC_34

Ok let us address this. Google has said do not buy links for PR. Hmmm. So if I buy a link on a PR 9 for traffic(I dont but lets say I do) whos to say its not for traffic? Not you nor Google can for sure say its for PR or traffic. I guess Google is going to penalize or discount a link I spend 25k/day on Yahoo home page? They are a PR 9, right? NO.

Buying a link to be displayed on a high PR site is NOT ADWORDS. Irregardless, if your link is taken down after 1 month, then you lose any chance of obtaining the rub off PR effect.

Originally Posted by DMC_34

Yes and I could easily convert Budda as well. What merit does that have? In the very least it is prejudice.

Buying Advertising or links or whatever else to increase traffic is part of marketing. The goal to increase conversions. Since when have people lost sight of this? Just because Google doesnt like people messing with their PR? IMO that is Google's problem which is probably fixed now taking relevancy of the link for fixing it or not passing PR. I dislike irrelevant link buying as much as the typcial webmaster on this forum but to over generalize buying text links with added "PR 9" is just wrong.

PR doesnt mean anything to rankings. It hasnt for a long time now. If someone wants to buy a link for PR, fine by me, let them waste their money. It probably wont pass anyways unless it is relevant or a certain age.

DMC

There ya go. Thats what I was trying to convey. PR is needless any more.

[DMC_34]

Originally Posted by KeithO

I didn't say that a link isn't an advertisement. However you do need to distinguish the two as seperate entities for campaigns. I do not think that an adWords link constitutes a bonafide, static link on a page. For example, all of the local news channels for me use the same company to do their web sites. Each page has advertisements. There is also a seperate are for links. You would need to approach each individually to get on both. Does that make sense to you?

Buying a link to be displayed on a high PR site is NOT ADWORDS. Irregardless, if your link is taken down after 1 month, then you lose any chance of obtaining the rub off PR effect.

There ya go. Thats what I was trying to convey. PR is needless any more.

I think we are different bases on links. IMO there are 4 types links.

1. Traffic
2. Link Popularity
3. PageRank
4. Natural links

Traffic links are legit. These links could be static or redirects such as Adwords. In the end they provide relevant traffic. If they are not relevant they wont provide much.

Link Popularity Links are static and can be abused by purchasing large irrelevant packages. These irrelevant links do not seem to affect Google as much anymore, where relevancy seems to play into LocalRank now. But Y! and MSN are suspect to these type of irrelevant link packages. Link exchanges, static advertisement links. I do buy some static links from high ranking(SERP's), relevant sites. There is nothing wrong with that at all. I do not buy for PR. I buy them for traffic and LP. http://www.christmas.com/ is a great example, we are their main sponosor. Is this for PR, no. We get good branding, traffic, sales, and YES LP.

PR Links are touchy subject. But buying a link simply to have PR pass is fruitless waste of money. PR is meaningless and where these have received a bad reptuation is buying based purely on PR and not relevancy.

Natural Links are out of the goodness of someones heart. Unrequested resource links. Yes these are great. But anyone who says Google only cares about these links is wrong. Hell Press releases can be purchased.


Most links can be categorized as any one of these types or combinations of the 4. Do I hope PR passes from some of my advertisements, of course I like the lil green bar as much as anyone else. But if the site isnt relevant and has very little chance of bring me either good branding, traffic and sales, I will not do it. I know adwords does not pass PR nor LP, but I think most have misinterpreted what Google has said. Buying links is not bad. Buying purely for PR is on irrelevant sites. Just how do you think Google knows the difference? They dont. How can they penalize or discount links of this type? IMO, They dont unless it is totally irrelevant. My best guess is if it isnt relevant it doesnt pass PR and probably some age factors. My Christmas card site static link on Christmas.com is not discounted at all and our rankings have gone up because of it. It cost us alot more than 1k on month but the sales justify it. The SEO benefits are extra. To heck with PR :)

DMC

[KeithO]

Originally Posted by DMC_34

I think we are different bases on links. IMO there are 4 types links.

1. Traffic
2. Link Popularity
3. PageRank
4. Natural links

Traffic links are legit. These links could be static or redirects such as Adwords. In the end they provide relevant traffic. If they are not relevant they wont provide much.

Link Popularity Links are static and can be abused by purchasing large irrelevant packages. These irrelevant links do not seem to affect Google as much anymore, where relevancy seems to play into LocalRank now. But Y! and MSN are suspect to these type of irrelevant link packages. Link exchanges, static advertisement links. I do buy some static links from high ranking(SERP's), relevant sites. There is nothing wrong with that at all. I do not buy for PR. I buy them for traffic and LP. http://www.christmas.com/ is a great example, we are their main sponosor. Is this for PR, no. We get good branding, traffic, sales, and YES LP.

PR Links are touchy subject. But buying a link simply to have PR pass is fruitless waste of money. PR is meaningless and where these have received a bad reptuation is buying based purely on PR and not relevancy.

Natural Links are out of the goodness of someones heart. Unrequested resource links. Yes these are great. But anyone who says Google only cares about these links is wrong. Hell Press releases can be purchased.


Most links can be categorized as any one of these types or combinations of the 4. Do I hope PR passes from some of my advertisements, of course I like the lil green bar as much as anyone else. But if the site isnt relevant and has very little chance of bring me either good branding, traffic and sales, I will not do it. I know adwords does not pass PR nor LP, but I think most have misinterpreted what Google has said. Buying links is not bad. Buying purely for PR is on irrelevant sites. Just how do you think Google knows the difference? They dont. How can they penalize or discount links of this type? IMO, They dont unless it is totally irrelevant. My best guess is if it isnt relevant it doesnt pass PR and probably some age factors. My Christmas card site static link on Christmas.com is not discounted at all and our rankings have gone up because of it. It cost us alot more than 1k on month but the sales justify it. The SEO benefits are extra. To heck with PR :)

DMC

What you are saying is what I have been trying to say. The way I interpreted your 1st post was that you were endorsing purchasing links based solely on PR which, as Danny Sullivan preaches, is pretty irrelevant any more. I also understood you to be saying that if a high PR web site displays your adwords ad that their PR would rub off on you.

[DMC_34]

Originally Posted by KeithO

I also understood you to be saying that if a high PR web site displays your adwords ad that their PR would rub off on you.

No, I do not endorse links for PR only. It doesnt do any good. I know Adwords are redirects and DO NOT PASS PR NOR LP. They are a means of traffic. A purchased link is Adwords, they are both marketing campaigns, period. My purchased links on Christmas.com are judged the same as my paid links on Adwords. This is where we differ. I toke it you said a purchased link is different than adwords. In the realm of PR that is true, but I do not care about PR only traffic so they are one and the same to me.

My disagreement is to categorize "buying a link" with the mention of "PR 9" as automatic TABOO item is incorrect. If it is relevant and provides good marketing then its good and Google will count it if the link is static and direct.

Originally Posted by jacobwissler

You just told the world that this will be a purchased link. Not a good idea. I am confident that Google discounts paid links, or will in the future.

This statement is not only presumptuous and incorrect but would completely throw Google's algo to the wind. Google bases so much on links. There is no merit in that statement but it his opinion. Just as most say recip links do not count as much. That is not true. Paid links not counting is a myth. It needs to be expanded to relevancy. I have my own opinion with results to back it up. Our paid advertisements is part of marketing and they also help our organic LP when they are direct static links.

DMC

[DMC_34]

A little proof look at all 3 PAID links on christmas.com and do searches in all 3 SE's and see whos comes up.

Photo Christmas cards - all 3 SE's = #1 and #2
Custom Christmas cards - all 3 SE's = #1 or #1 & #2
Business Christmas cards - all 3 SE's = #1 and #2

Paid relevant links are NOT BAD nor discounted.

DMC

[KeithO]

Originally Posted by DMC_34

A little proof look at all 3 PAID links on christmas.com and do searches in all 3 SE's and see whos comes up.

Photo Christmas cards - all 3 SE's = #1 and #2
Custom Christmas cards - all 3 SE's = #1 or #1 & #2
Business Christmas cards - all 3 SE's = #1 and #2

Paid relevant links are NOT BAD nor discounted.

DMC

thats the important part. We don't need new readers coming here and thinking they can buy links from any top PR site. Relevancy is the key.

[dburdon]

Surely, it all depends on the value of a link to the business.

I read a story today about a direct marketing company that spends £120 (200 USD) to attract each new customer. Now a link costing $1,000 per month would seem good value for this type of business if:

1. It delivered the right sort of prospects
or
2. The ranking benefits delivered the same effect

However, buying and selling links for supposedly organic ranking benefits sounds a bit cheesy.

[DMC_34]

Originally Posted by dburdon

However, buying and selling links for supposedly organic ranking benefits sounds a bit cheesy.

According to our WebTrends reports our SE ORGANIC listings compromise about 65% of our traffic and conversions. Considering we spend 500.00 a day(right now) and 15k a day(November & December) on Adwords alone and it only compromises of 15% of our traffic and conversions.

Do the math. Since we have held great organic rankings, started about May 2005, our business has increased nearly 600%. PPC's have gone up but not in ratio.

In the end the organics are benefiting the checking account more than the measily 50-75k a year we spend in direct advertising links. Not to mention the branding and popularity. Articles in Wall Street Journal, featured on a few TV shows such Life and Styles(which said they found us on Google.

Words like Holiday cards, Christmas cards, Thank you business, and many more. Google has been a God-Send to this business. We look at Traffic first then SEO on every advertisement we buy. It has worked very well and there is nothing wrong with it at all.


DMC