spam site reported months ago, and still no 1

[maxseo]

What do you think is going on?

It looks like google ignores this

I have reported a site spam (hidden text, tons of it) months ago, and understaning that they have many queries about the spam, I waited months.

Christmas and easter went pass and I decided to try and see if the site has been removed. It is still sitting comfortably at no 1 in google.

Do they care about their free search results anymore or it is just all c..p

[wrmineo]

Originally Posted by maxseo

What do you think is going on?

It looks like google ignores this

I have reported a site spam (hidden text, tons of it) months ago, and understaning that they have many queries about the spam, I waited months.

Christmas and easter went pass and I decided to try and see if the site has been removed. It is still sitting comfortably at no 1 in google.

Do they care about their free search results anymore or it is just all c..p

It's hard to say since Google doesn't give replies, responses or follow-ups. But with 8 billion plus web pages in their index, I would think this is but one of millions in line for spam review. I've seen some get zapped within days, but that doesn't mean they're weren't previously reported months prior ...

[maxseo]

so, maybe i should learn some spam tricks, or perhaps change my profession.

Even yahoo and msn ranks this site lower, somewhere in 100 position.

[brian.mark]

Google says that they try to learn the techniques used from spammers and write algorithms that take care of sites using the same tactics. They have said repeatedly that they don't, except for extreme cases (very competitive keywords where the first several pages are all SPAM), act upon any single listing / domain.

The "Report Spam" link is just for reporting techniques, not for banning an individual site. Since G relies primarly on incoming links, the other search engines are just weighing other factors and deciding that it isn't as relevant.

Brian.

[greeneagle]

maxseo,

I have the same issue.

Forgive the crossthread" here again but IMHO; Google is being assaulted by a "Spam Avalanche".

I personaly believe they are being "buried in the snow" right now. The new technologies deployed by spammers also complicate the algs for all SE's. GOOGLE "just happens to be" the prime target.

On the other hand we can always hope the "Bourbon" update was just a "warm-up exercise".

Ken

[wrmineo]

Originally Posted by greeneagle

maxseo, I have the same issue ... Forgive the crossthread" here again but IMHO; Google is being assaulted by a "Spam Avalanche" ... On the other hand we can always hope the "Bourbon" update was just a "warm-up exercise". Ken

Yes, hopefully it was but a swig in the tester/taster glass while the barrel continues to cure!

[greeneagle]

wrmineo;

"Yes, hopefully it was but a swig in the tester/taster glass while the barrel continues to cure!"

LOL - Spoken like a real "SEO Connoisseur"...

I have been to many wine tasting events and even plowed through the Scottish Highlands on "Whiskey Trail" sampling many fine "Single Malt" Whiskeys from the "wrong side of the car".

It's coming of age...

I expect another "extreme makeover" update as early as summer's end!

... And I am not even a "pumped up" shareholder.

But then again the GOOG may have envisioned that "extreme shareholder pressure", before going public....or did they?

3x - Cap Value more than Disney or Time Warner... in short business history?

The Boat Has to Rock or the share value will dip in relation to shareholder disposition.

That's the simple "Free Market" facts.

LOL

Ken

[wavedancing]

If I am a spammer, I'll report my competitors for spam everyday. That will keep Google busy. In other words, reporting should not work well theoretically.

[greeneagle]

That would be the:

Spam Volume/Capacity/alg development technology advancement question that shareholders, webmasters, site owners, SEOers, Spammers and Users all seek guidance on continually.

LOL

Ken

[maxseo]

I just did a search on this site by typing URL in the google. When i clicked on 'view related sites' there was about 30 other websites, and guess what they all are using the same spam technique.

I would be glad to report this URL here, but I think the owner might find out about it and remove the spam now, which would probably still leave him up in the top results, but such a high ranking would be achieved through unfair play.

I think it is better to wait and hopefully google will do something about it and remove all these sites from index altogether.

[Izzmo]

I'm sure Google will never do anything about it. The Spiders will find it themselves. If the site has relevant content and is getting good flow of traffic, then they deserve to be number 1 in mind.

Lets look at it this way, since the Spiders will find the hidden text, they will put that against them in their PR, but there are still thousands of other factors that come into it. They can still achieve their high ranking by getting all other good rating on the other factors.

Since you didn't say what site you are talking about, I can't see it of course, so I don't know if it's a full-blown spam site or just a site with some webmaster trying to get high in the rankings by trying a hidden-text tenique while still having a good relevant site....

Just my 2 cents..

[fernimac]

We have the same problem here in Spain. There is this "SEO" firm that does exactly every single technique that Google does not recommend to use. I have written lots of spam messages but this site is still number one and it does not seem to be of any use.

Fernando.
Actividades náuticas | Promoción y construcción en la Costa Blanca

[Izzmo]

Right, and it is called 'Black Hat' SEO... which for right now, it works great...

[brian.mark]

Originally Posted by Izzmo

Right, and it is called 'Black Hat' SEO... which for right now, it works great...

For right now, yes. Eventually every black hat technique will get a site banned. Some techniques much more easily than others. But the end result is that they'll lose out if you have patience.

Anyone remember Traffic Power?

Brian.

[wavedancing]

Originally Posted by brian.mark

For right now, yes. Eventually every black hat technique will get a site banned.
Anyone remember Traffic Power?

Brian.

Only few black hat seo site will get banned. Most black hat site will update their black hat techniques by the time Google take an action. I hate to admit it. But I have to. Because this is the truth.

In other words, a new spam technique works until it gets old. By the time it gets old, another new technique will come out. How does Google fight black hat seos? The answer is : Google will never win because Google is at least one step behind, always.

[Izzmo]

Originally Posted by wavedancing

Only few black hat seo site will get banned. Most black hat site will update their black hat techniques by the time Google take an action. I hate to admit it. But I have to. Because this is the truth.

In other words, a new spam technique works until it gets old. By the time it gets old, another new technique will come out. How does Google fight black hat seos? The answer is : Google will never win because Google is at least one step behind, always.

That's totally true. And you know the worst thing? Black Hat SEO's actually go to the Search Engine Conferances and have booths. That's the most rediculous, but yet quite funny thing.

Black Hat SEO will always work until they get caught, and like wavedancing said, a new technique will come out even it has to become complicating. But for right now, Black Hat SEO is getting tons of money, and so let them. It's just a venture of choice.

[wavedancing]

One more difficulty for Google is : there are a lot of good sites wear black hats. Should Google ban them? I don't think Google will ban DOMZ listed sites but I know a lot of these sites actually apply black hat techniques.

[Izzmo]

Well, what will probably happen is, whether than banning the site, they will just get penalized for using the techniques and get worse PR and then also get lower SERPs.

If there is good content but poor technique, there is no doubt in my mind they would just get penalized and not banned.

[brian.mark]

Originally Posted by Izzmo

That's totally true. And you know the worst thing? Black Hat SEO's actually go to the Search Engine Conferances and have booths. That's the most rediculous, but yet quite funny thing.

I can attest to that. I remember a firm that had a "Control Panel" so you could take your top rankings on keywords and direct them to whatever landing page you wanted on your site. Talk about cloakariffic. I'm sure it increases ROI when people hit the right page, but that's about as black as black can be.

They supposedly owned 20 PR9 - 10 sites that they used to make landing pages with HIGH PR, then had a 302 code for people with web browsers to hit the right page while serving very highly optimized pages to the engines.

Originally Posted by Izzmo

But for right now, Black Hat SEO is getting tons of money, and so let them. It's just a venture of choice.

Yes, the higher the risk, the higher the reward. They're making tons because people don't realize the risk they're taking. Are you saying that "Hey, they're just good. Don't bother reporting them." I don't buy that logic for a minute.

Personally, I have seen several large SEO firms (Traffic Power, Internet Adavancement, etc.) get a large number of clients banned. Here is a nice article on Traffic Power's issues with getting clients banned. Eventually, black hat sites do get caught.

When I viewed a page on Traffic Power's issues, I even saw an ad for searchenginecloaker . com (no links from here, please). Here's a nice quote:

Originally Posted by SearchEngineCloaker

If your site doesn't exactly meet their criteria, you will get poorly ranked. This is where cloaking comes in.

If you really think Black-Hat is so great, go ahead and use that. I feel that it's just a matter of time before Google, MSN and Yahoo get the next round of spam out of the SERPs, and when they do I'll be left standing at the top. Will you?

Brian.

[Izzmo]

Perfect. I totally agree.

But as far as my logic with Black Hat SEO, I say let them keep doing it, because they will get caught and banned soon enough, the question is, what will they do after that?

[maxseo]

Well check it out, and tell me if this is a hard to detect spam technique

I won't type here the whole url as it is.


http :// katalog "dot" zy "dot" pl



Of course it is up to you to modify this address correctly

Check the main page an that empty space at the bottom. That is what got me thinking, then i went to cache and then i checked cached text

[brian.mark]

Originally Posted by maxseo

Well check it out, and tell me if this is a hard to detect spam technique

I won't type here the whole url as it is.


http :// katalog "dot" zy "dot" pl



Of course it is up to you to modify this address correctly

Check the main page an that empty space at the bottom. That is what got me thinking, then i went to cache and then i checked cached text

I probably missed something because I don't understand a word on that site. But what I see is this:

There is a large blank area due to a poorly coded style sheet.

When viewing the G cache, it looks the same (no cloaking)

When viewing text only, the blank space moves to the top instead of the bottom. The text shown seemed to be (language barrier so I'm not 100% sure) on the page in the standard version.

What black hat technique did I miss? No cloaking or hidden text that I can readily see.

Brian.