It is now April 13th...

JKomp · #1 (**permalink**) 04-13-2005, 03:11 AM

The update still hasnt happened, are any of you prepared to stick your neck out and give us a prediction?

**ctabuk** · #2 (**permalink**) 04-13-2005, 05:32 AM

Yes, I predict that I don't know, but that it will happen, sometime. 'Thank you for being a wonderful audience and I hope we passed the audition' John Lennon - Let it Be -Pity he could not predict either.

adbart · #3 (**permalink**) 04-13-2005, 06:07 AM

Lol. Is this a PageRank update we're talking about or a Google index update?

JKomp · #4 (**permalink**) 04-13-2005, 10:41 AM

page rank update

adbart · #5 (**permalink**) 04-13-2005, 11:02 AM

do you think they have plans to switch it to a dynamic update schedule soon?

**brian.mark** · #6 (**permalink**) 04-13-2005, 12:39 PM

If by dynamic you mean whenever they feel like it, then they are there already.

adbart · #7 (**permalink**) 04-13-2005, 12:52 PM

Sure. But when are they going to have it updating all the time, and more importantly, letting us know the results of those updates by a constantly-refreshing PR toolbar, for instance?

I guess this is just wishful thinking.

**brian.mark** · #8 (**permalink**) 04-13-2005, 12:56 PM

That would take all the sweating out of SEO people's lives, so it won't happen. Besides, it doesn't mean much of anything anyway. We have a PR4 page ranking above our PR7 competitor and it always has been. Just one many factors, so it doesn't matter if we get accurate numbers or not. Besides, once you get past a 3 it doesn't change very quickly anyway. No real need for instant gratification.

Brian.

adbart · #9 (**permalink**) 04-13-2005, 01:00 PM

I'm not so sure.

There's an arguement to say that if it is constantly updating, then SEO people will be sweating all the time.

It means the competition is no longer a monthly affair, for example, its happening all the time.

It literally will be a race that never ends.

From a web-user's point-of-view, however, this is frustrating. We are getting to a stage where websites are being made for search engines, rather than the users they are really intended for.

Only when search engines start to develop their own, effective AI are we truly going to see good results, that users will agree with.

JKomp · #10 (**permalink**) 04-13-2005, 03:20 PM

imo it should update as frequently as alexa ratings do.

adbart · #11 (**permalink**) 04-13-2005, 03:22 PM

Lol, true.

Besides the point though, but we should have some Google sources on this forum.....

canistotasoftware · #12 (**permalink**) 04-13-2005, 04:24 PM

Not that it means much anymore, just update the stupid thing regularly or get rid of it all together. Either it is important so it should be kept updated or it's not. Getting somewhat unprofessional on google's part to say that this is a part of the algorythm when detemining SERP's and then not publically updating it (not that they would ever care what webmasters think). Getting sick and tired of fielding questions from prospective advertisers and link partners on why some of my pages are PR0. I could care less what my sites PR is but unfortunately many people I have to deal with do.

Peter (IMC) · #13 (**permalink**) 04-13-2005, 04:26 PM

It is not possible to continously update pr in the index. You need to take a snapshot of the link structure of the whole web and then calculate PR for all pages. PR in your site may influence pages you have never even heard of. It´s all connected.

However, they seem to have like 10 to 15 different factors now adays that they need to snapshot update, and I have seen indications in some sites that there is actually a weekly update going on, but my best guess is that it is every time another factor that is being updated. So if PR is one of them, then you would expect 10 to 15 weeks in between PR updates.

I´m just speculating here,. :)

Peter (IMC) · #14 (**permalink**) 04-13-2005, 04:29 PM

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Only when search engines start to develop their own, effective AI are we truly going to see good results, that users will agree with.

Where do you get the idea that users don't agree with the Google results? It´s just webmasters and many SEO's that don't agree with the results. (Which is actually kind of funny,. an SEO that doesn't agree with the search results,.. what does that say about his/her SEO skills? ;) )

tcampione · #15 (**permalink**) 04-13-2005, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by canistotasoftware

just update the stupid thing regularly or get rid of it all together.

Perhaps longer and longer intervals between updates is a precursor to phasing it out completely.

/*tom*/

adbart · #16 (**permalink**) 04-13-2005, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tcampione

Perhaps longer and longer intervals between updates is a precursor to phasing it out completely.

They 'phased it in' like this. It hasn't changed in terms of update regularity - in fact, I think it has become more often even though the intervals are big!

PageRank is here to stay under Google's current wider strategy.

canistotasoftware · #17 (**permalink**) 04-13-2005, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by adbart

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Originally Posted by tcampione

Perhaps longer and longer intervals between updates is a precursor to phasing it out completely.

They 'phased it in' like this. It hasn't changed in terms of update regularity - in fact, I think it has become more often even though the intervals are big!

PageRank is here to stay under Google's current wider strategy.

That is fine, just keep the PR internally and use it to their hearts content. Just get it off the toolbar. Keeping it visible and not updating it on the toolbar is just causing needless hassles for those that think it means more than it does.

adbart · #18 (**permalink**) 04-13-2005, 06:51 PM

Perhaps.

There's another thread about this somewhere....

It does seem that PageRank is a rather 'newbie' way to observe the success of SEO.

DMC_34 · #19 (**permalink**) 04-13-2005, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by canistotasoftware

That is fine, just keep the PR internally and use it to their hearts content. Just get it off the toolbar. Keeping it visible and not updating it on the toolbar is just causing needless hassles for those that think it means more than it does.

I TOTALLY AGREE!

adbart · #20 (**permalink**) 04-13-2005, 07:04 PM

Lol. Don't we all...

JKomp · #21 (**permalink**) 04-14-2005, 03:38 AM

To an extent google can be said to be harming people's businesses. They have built up PR so that in many people's opinions (those with a limited knowledge of seo) it is the be all and end all. So, when they dont update the PR and I am left with a site that has PR<1 it is actually effecting public perception of my company.
They have a responsibility to update it far more frequently than they do.
As for whether or not the updates can be constant, i never suggested they could, but they can at least be half as frequent as the internal updates. To be honst monthly was fine with me, but now?!!!