Do Google frequently update PR "in house" ?

[cbp]

In this thread:
http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=43458
one poster is claiming that Google do not update PR internally/"in house" on a different schedule to the public toolbar PR updates. Several messages and a quote from GoogleGuy says they do. The threads has resorted to name calling, so lets have a vote here.

Do Google update PR internally/"in-house" more frequently than they update the toolbar PR?

CBP

[sudhani]

CBP,

It doesn't require any poll. I want to see someone who says NO - And can substantiate.

[cbp]

Check the thread I linked above and all the things I and Janeth got called for pointing out that a poster was wrong. eg:

Quote:
My time is too precious to be explaining this to people who can't work that out!

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you and cbp are completely incorrect and shouldn't post on forums.

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I'm amazed at the stupidity of some people.

Quote:
cbp you're a child. No one is supporting you, only your side kick from Colombia.
That says it all.

I thought a poll might settle the disagreement rather than name calling. ---- looks like it is.

CBP

[janeth]

The poster in question spent more time calling names then anything else.

[tomzo]

I love the way you have rigged the poll, anyone can do that my friend.

You are a big baby who is completely incorrect. If you are so sure you are right you would have shut up rather than introduce a bogus poll.

You shouldn't be moderating on a forum. I have discussed this issue on other forums, and people have stated what a joke your views are.

I'll say this again. If anyone can prove their PR has changed since the 1st of January, then please show me.

Google make changes, NOT PR UPDATES, every few days never mind weeks, but the last PR update was the 1st of January, that is final.

You are an embarrassment, and I wont be returning to this pointless thread, when your views are so worthless. I have better things to do with my time!

I know people in this industry, you can't prove you know anyone, so don't harrass people when you arenot educated in this field.

Please do not stalk me in other threads. I will be making by views known to Mike again, because of your childish behaviour. It's quite pathetic and an abuse of your roll as a moderator to follow me into other threads and knock my opinions just because you can't take it.

Have the last word, if you like, but I wont be viewing it!

[janeth]

tomzo,

Forgive us for even thinking. Since you are the all knowing and great tomzo, could you show us a couple of your rankings?

[cbp]

I love the way you have rigged the poll, anyone can do that my friend.

How do you do that? Any one person can only vote once. Did you try to vote more than once?

I'll say this again. If anyone can prove their PR has changed since the 1st of January, then please show me. Google make changes, NOT PR UPDATES, every few days never mind weeks, but the last PR update was the 1st of January, that is final.

You still don't get it.Have you noticed that there is not ONE person supporting your position in the 3 threads you are making these claims in?

There are 3 PR updates:
(1) The toolbar (last updated 1 January - though a couple of high PR sites have had changes)
(2) The Google Directory PR(last updated 3 March - so you wrong here has been an update since 1 Jan)
(3) Intenal/"in-house" PR updates at Google (we do ot know the frequency, but its been speculated as being maybe from daily to every two weeks - I posted the quote from a Google employee confirming this)

The public updates are (1) and (2) and are the dates hat are published on that site you referred to. They are meaningless as (3) is the one that counts.

You are an embarrassment, and I wont be returning to this pointless thread, when your views are so worthless. I have better things to do with my time!

Thats a shame as you might actually learn something.

Please do not stalk me in other threads. I will be making by views known to Mike again, because of your childish behaviour. It's quite pathetic and an abuse of your roll as a moderator to follow me into other threads and knock my opinions just because you can't take it.

Please do so. You are the one resorting to the childish name calling.

CBP

[JKomp]

Tomzo, I know i am risking receiving you fury but frankly it's a risk i am prepared to take. Page rank gives an idea of how important/valuable google thinks a page is. If the page rank did not change more frequently than it does on the toolbar then the search results would stagnate.
Lets take a look at the page rank equation (google actually uses an unknown derivation of this)
PR(A) = (1-d) + d(PR(t1)/C(t1) + ... + PR(tn)/C(tn))
As tomzo is so clever, i wont need to define the different terms, but hopefully it is clear, that to run the results of the equation for every site just once every 3 months would be far less efficient than to run the results frequently, update them internally, but to provide stability only update them externally every 3 months or so.
I think i have made this overly complicated, something i dont like to do, so here's what you need to know.
Google updates PR internally.

[zman]

rigged? LMAO! So my vote for yes was a scam right? Hilarious...

[rlrouse]

I just dropped in to check on my friends at WPW and found this thread. I still don't know whether it's real or just a figment of my imagination due to heavy medication. Just in case it's real...

1 - Google re-calculates PR on a schedule which is known only to them, probably anywhere from once a week to once a month. Who knows, it might not even be a regular, set-in-stone timetable.

This frequent PR re-calculation can be observed in action by closely watching the SERPS. Quite often there will be a major shake-up in the SERPS for various search terms that cannot be explained by the constant jostling for position that occurs on a daily basis.

Every one of these shake-ups drastically affects the SERPS for a handful of search terms, but not all. That's why we frequently see posts exclaiming "A major update is underway" when the SERPS for the terms we follow ourselves haven't move a bit.

2 - Google updates PR on the Toolbar on a not-so-regular schedule (approx every 90 days or so).

When the Toobar PR update takes place there is no noticable change in the SERPS other than the normal changes that take place daily. Why? Because the Toolbar PR update is simply reflecting the value of the latest internal PR re-calculation. In fact, the PR values that Google uses as a factor in the SERP rankings has probably already changed at least twice since the last Toolbar update.

Sorry for the rather incoherent post - I'm enjoying the benefits of some quite strong pain medication.

[jawn_tech]

Umm, I can't believe this is even a debate, but after reading the history I see the necessity for the thread. CBP is absolutely correct on this issue. I thought the savvy web community was already past this knowledge which has been discussed at length in many articles and forums.

Yes, the PR is updated internally on a much more frequent basis than what is shown on the Google toolbar.

[LuxurySleep]

Originally Posted by tomzo

I love the way you have rigged the poll, anyone can do that my friend.

You are a big baby who is completely incorrect. If you are so sure you are right you would have shut up rather than introduce a bogus poll.

You shouldn't be moderating on a forum. I have discussed this issue on other forums, and people have stated what a joke your views are.

I'll say this again. If anyone can prove their PR has changed since the 1st of January, then please show me.

Google make changes, NOT PR UPDATES, every few days never mind weeks, but the last PR update was the 1st of January, that is final.

You are an embarrassment, and I wont be returning to this pointless thread, when your views are so worthless. I have better things to do with my time!

I know people in this industry, you can't prove you know anyone, so don't harrass people when you arenot educated in this field.

Please do not stalk me in other threads. I will be making by views known to Mike again, because of your childish behaviour. It's quite pathetic and an abuse of your roll as a moderator to follow me into other threads and knock my opinions just because you can't take it.

Have the last word, if you like, but I wont be viewing it!

I will say that I personally witnessed the Dmoz have between a PR 8-9 on the different DC's. This doesn't prove anything but they were testing something.

[adbart]

Lol what a thread this is.

Originally Posted by jawn_tech

Yes, the PR is updated internally on a much more frequent basis than what is shown on the Google toolbar.

Clearly, this is the case.

[crankydave]

Clearly PR is updated internally more often than the "fuel gauge" on the tool bar.

If you add a new page to your site, once it gets indexed it will be assigned a PR and a SERP. To assume that that page remains a PR0 until the tool bar turns green would be wrong.

Dave

[cbp]

Matt Cutts said in an internet radio interview a few months back, that real PR is now updated continuously, but toolbar PR is only updated 4 times a year

[cbp]

Matt Cutts said in an internet radio interview a few months back, that real PR is now updated continuously, but toolbar PR is only updated 4 times a year

[brian.mark]

Last summer I talked to GoogleGuy for a bit (after he got out of the dunking tank) and someone asked him this question. He basically said that it is a continually updating number internally pretty much every time they discover a link and that the external thing is just meant as a very generalized indicator on one day some time in the past. The overhead for them to publicly give us the real-time numbers would be staggering in CPU cycles, so we get a snapshot from one day a while back as a minor indicator how that site is doing in their link popularity.

If anyone has heard a Google employee say the opposite, I'd like to hear it. I can't fathom this working any other way... anything else leaves really old data determining results and thereby making the search engine pretty useless.

Brian.

[cbp]

Its funny how 4 people have voted in the poll saying Google don't - why have they not posted here to explain why and how they know they don't?

All we got was this:

You are a big baby who is completely incorrect. If you are so sure you are right you would have shut up rather than introduce a bogus poll.

You shouldn't be moderating on a forum.

CBP

[ADAM Web Design]

I voted yes. For those who want to see my explanation (it's a long one!) see the original thread.

[cbp]

I know this is an old thread, but I bump it, as we now have the answer from the horses mouth:

Googleguy said:

We have a bank of machines that computes PageRank continuously (and continually, I suppose; I wasn't an English major), but we only export new visible PageRanks every 3-4 months or so.

http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum30/29720.htm

That should settle it.

CBP