Good example of mispelled leech rankings

greeneagle · #1 (**permalink**) 12-18-2003, 04:03 PM

Good example of mispelled leech rankings:
http://www.dmos.org
0-PR!

ronniethedodger · #2 (**permalink**) 12-18-2003, 05:43 PM

Not quite a good example, but close.

This site is also listed at DMOZ itself: Sites Using ODP Data

... also if you look at the PR as reported at DMOZ and compare it to what the Google bar is saying, they are two different animals.

greeneagle · #3 (**permalink**) 12-18-2003, 06:06 PM

Imagine that! - A 0-PR also.

ronniethedodger · #4 (**permalink**) 12-18-2003, 06:10 PM

Huh?

My Googlebar shows dmos.org as "not ranked", not even a zero.

DMOZ shows dmos.org as a PR4.

Where did you get the zero from?

greeneagle · #5 (**permalink**) 12-18-2003, 06:17 PM

It's been my experience when searching rankings on the various search engines that the full URL returns truer results (although they are almost always different for the abreviated)
Try: www.dmos.org , in fact try all the search engines that return ranking and traffic results with the full URL and the abreviated and see what happens!
You are one of the exceptions, you have a PR5 on both. I have a 2 on the abreviated and a 4 with full URL. I think that the search engines have not been able to resolve the fact that the complete and abreviated sites are the same URL and should be accounted for as so. This includes GOOGLE and Alexa!

Ken

ronniethedodger · #6 (**permalink**) 12-19-2003, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by greeneagle

It's been my experience when searching rankings on the various search engines that the full URL returns truer results (although they are almost always different for the abreviated)

This could go either way. Usually the reason for this is the way that other sites choose to link to you ... some will use the www, some will not. Also, how your internal links are constructed...do you mix both versions in your anchor tags for instance.

(more on this below)

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Originally Posted by greeneagle

Try: www.dmos.org , in fact try all the search engines that return ranking and traffic results with the full URL and the abreviated and see what happens!

Same results partner. I see "no ranking" on my Googlebar for either.

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Originally Posted by greeneagle

You are one of the exceptions, you have a PR5 on both. I have a 2 on the abreviated and a 4 with full URL. I think that the search engines have not been able to resolve the fact that the complete and abreviated sites are the same URL and should be accounted for as so. This includes GOOGLE and Alexa!
Ken

Alexa does resolve it. Google eventually will also.
I will concede the fact that some of the others may not though.

Although you are now seeing a PR5 for both versions of my site on the googlebar, it was not always that case. The two were finally recognized at Google as being the same, and the PR's merged overnight for no reason.

An Engineer in Germany put me onto the practice of assuring that you are consistant in how your backlinks are listed (with or without the www). Assure that it is one way or the either, it does not matter -- as long as they are the same.

This goes for your internal links as well. Never, never mix the two.

Having a mix of both versions will confuse the search engines for a while. In the case of Alexa, it drops the www altogether right from the start ... Google has a different approach. It is my opinion that Google indexes by IP address and not by domain name. They have their own internal lookup database to resolve domain names. This being the case, it will take Google a little while to resolve www and no-www domains as being the same -- but it will.

All of my backlinks (well 99.99% of em) are without the www in them. Once upon a time, the www version was "not ranked" at Google. It was that way for a couple of months, now they show PR5.

Few months ago I had started using the www for a couple of link exchanges, when the third request was with the Engineer who advised me not to use it. He had did research on my backlinks for me, and all of them were without the www. (Really nice of this guy to take the time to do that). I went back and asked the other two to change my url, one did, the other no response and is still that way to this date.

A couple of months later PR5 for www. I don't think I am a "rare exception" to this case at Google. I think all sites will eventually be the same for both versions.

Question, how old is your site? Are you consistant with your backlinks?

greeneagle · #7 (**permalink**) 12-19-2003, 02:08 PM

ronniethedodger said:
Huh?

My Googlebar shows dmos.org as "not ranked", not even a zero.

DMOZ shows dmos.org as a PR4.

Where did you get the zero from?

I only use GOOGLE to view GOOGLE PR!
Looks like we are in agreement anyway! - 0 PR with GOOGLE toolbar.

The point being:
GOOGLE does have alogrithms straightened out enough to axe anyone that ownes a site that is similar in function to a URL mispelling of a major and original competitor.

If anyone else has examples, Post them!

Ken

ronniethedodger · #8 (**permalink**) 12-19-2003, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by greeneagle

I only use GOOGLE to view GOOGLE PR!
Looks like we are in agreement anyway! - 0 PR with GOOGLE toolbar.

No. What I said was that my googlebar is showing it as "not ranked". Not a Zero. No ranking. Big difference.

No ranking suggests that Google has not indexed, or is in the process of indexing the site.

Zero ranking means one of two possiblities. It has been just indexed, in which case the PR will go up eventually. Or it has once been ranked higher and has been recently penalized (the worse of the two zeroes).

dmos.org ... right now ... has not been ranked, for it appears that it has just recently become indexed at Google. Give it a couple of weeks and check it again at that time.

greeneagle · #9 (**permalink**) 12-19-2003, 02:53 PM

LOL - ronniethedodger

In my books there are no degrees of zero! We do agree that subteranian activities merrit page rankings that don't get you listed or passed on!
THAT'S A FACT JACK!

Congrats on your PR5

Ken

ronniethedodger · #10 (**permalink**) 12-19-2003, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by greeneagle

LOL - ronniethedodger

In my books there are no degrees of zero!

hmmm...zero is zero, true.

Not ranked means simply that Google is not aware of it at all to even give it a PR value. There are no cached pages, no backward links, no similar pages at all listed at Google. In the case of dmos.org though, they recently were indexed by Google and I suspect that they will go from a PR-na to a PR-0 very shortly.

Not ranked simply does not exist in the eyes of Google. Whereas, a zero takes on a totally different meaning. There are very distinct differences between the two....agreed?

A zero ranking can be either good or bad. It can mean that you just recently got indexed by Google (hooray for your side) which is a good thing, or it can mean the bad thing -- you just got penalized big time. Google will set your butt back to zero if you are caught exploiting there algo loopholes or spamming them in any way.

The colors of the PR symbol on your GoogleBar are different between the two. Zero is completely white. Not ranked takes on the background color setting in your Windows desktop screen settings, usually it is the same background color as the toolbar and menu bars. It is never ever a white color though.

This is the point I was trying to get across. I think you mistook the PR-na as just another Zero PR which it is not. It is a "null" value in essence, which any programmer will tell you that it is a far cry from a zero value -- and tends to create bugs and crash a lot of software too.

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Originally Posted by greeneagle

Congrats on your PR5

Thank you. Damn, it was a zero about two months ago. hehehehe.