Has the PR update come and gone?

[DMC_34]

If so I missed it, nothing on my new site. Hopefully it hasnt happened yet.

[cbp]

PR updates come and go, possibly as frequently as every two weeks - we just do not get to see it - its kept internal at G

CBP

[DMC_34]

Originally Posted by cbp

PR updates come and go, possibly as frequently as every two weeks - we just do not get to see it - its kept internal at G

CBP

I mean the ToolBar PR Update. I hope not because I still have zero on my new site.

[cbp]

No - I still have several new sites at PR0

CBP

[greeneagle]

Absolutely not. They have been doing some testing though.

Ken

[janeth]

We have a lot of sites we are watching that have not moved yet.

Maybe sometime this week.

[tomzo]

PR updates come and go, possibly as frequently as every two weeks - we just do not get to see it - its kept internal at G

That's not true at all, how can you make that statement.

I use a site to check PR and future PR, which gives the percentage change from the last PR update. This is the best way to tell when the PR comes because it shows my site has gone up by 15%. If PR update had taken place the percentage change would return to 0% change.

[DreamingEagle]

Originally Posted by tomzo

That's not true at all, how can you make that statement.

I use a site to check PR and future PR, which gives the percentage change from the last PR update.

What site is this?

[cbp]

That's not true at all, how can you make that statement.

It is true. GoogleGuy stated this a while back. Other google employees have stated similar at various conferences. Ever wonder why there is usually "shuffle" every few weeks at Google??? Google updates PR internally on a very freqent time frame. Ever wonder why search results never change when PR is updated? ... its because Google have already incorporated the Pr into the results (speculation is that is 2 weeks prior to the update.

The site you are using gives no more frequent PR updates than on the tool bar. The Rustrybrick future PR is not close to being accurate.

This is the best way to tell when the PR comes

- no where near to being close. Even the person behind the tool acknowledges that!!! But I am really lookin forward to the couple of my sites that will going to PR8 and PR9 that the tool predicts .... not

CBP

[JKomp]

It seems to over predict for everyone but me, I used it a while back and it predicted that my site www.JKomp.com will stay at PR1. I hope not.

[janeth]

Originally Posted by tomzo

That's not true at all, how can you make that statement.

I use a site to check PR and future PR, which gives the percentage change from the last PR update. This is the best way to tell when the PR comes because it shows my site has gone up by 15%. If PR update had taken place the percentage change would return to 0% change.

CBP is correct

[Mac 5]

About 6 months ago I had a site with PR4, it has dropped to PR3 but the hits and referals from search engines has dramatically increased. I've read on other forums not to read into PR ranking too much. From my example above I'd agree.

[MathsIsFun]

Well, this Google Forum (http://www.webproworld.com/viewforum.php?f=7) has a smallish PR of 3, but I would say gets LOTS of traffic. Because we all know about it and visit regularly.

(Hmmm ... there must be a moral in there)

[tomzo]

I'm glad Janeth, that you think you are an authority on everything but you and cbp are completely incorrect and shouldn't post on forums.

There is not a PR update every two weeks, in fact there is a site which publishes the dates in which PR updates have taken place. The last one was on the 1st of January.

Fo those people who are not bright enough to understnd what I was saying about Rustybrick, I will make it very simple. I don't use the tool because I believe it is accurate, but because the percentage change indicates whether a PR update has taken place. It hasn't yet.

My time is too precious to be explaining this to people who can't work that out!

[cbp]

My time is too precious to be explaining this to people who can't work that out!

you and cbp are completely incorrect and shouldn't post on forums.

I will type this slowly so you can get it....

You are very confused and wrong. The PR updates you are talking about and dates that are listed on many sites are nothing more than when Google chooses to release publically a version of PR. The last one of these was January 1st (many predicted another on 1 April, but it did not happen)

Google employees have stated that they update and incorporate PR into the search results on a very different time frame and more frequently - it has been suggested this could happen as often as every two weeks internally at google .... they just do not release those PR updates va the toolbar.

When Google do a public release of PR via the toolbar, the search results do not change, as the PR has already been factored in.

Have you noticed that no one has posted in this thread agreeing with you?

CBP

[smo]

I have seen CBP explaining this confusion in many threads here :)

[greeneagle]

Boys and Girls,

Let's get it STRAIGHT! All we have to do here is resolve different "positions":

There are 2 different PR updates! Let's call them: "Public" and "Private".

GOOGLE's "Private" update happens in their Directory very often (approximately monthly by some accounts). It really isn't that "Private" since they have a "Green Bar" to the left of every listing in every category!

The "Public" update is supposed to happen "once a quarter or every 3 months. This is the one that has been the most infamous and is in more public view, because it is the one that shows up in everyone's GOOGLE TOOLBAR. I hope by now that most Site owners and Webmasters know that the "Public" representation of “PageRank” is not anything but representative of the more complex "Private" or "Internal" model.

The "Public" Toolbar representation of PR is not near as exacting as the "Internal" model, which isn't so "Private" after all, because anyone that knows how to find their listing in the GOOGLE Directory can find their more frequently updated, more comprehensively based "Internal" PR at any time!

The "Public" PR (that damn toolbar) representation of the more comprehensive model causes a lot of grief, but herds everyone into the "performance corral". It would be real short-sighted of GOOGLE to toss aside a "Marketing Tool" that has become a "Holy Grail" for the "Unknowing" (General Populus) like that, wouldn't it?

There must have been a million threads on the difference between these 2 distinctly different PageRank representations at WebProWorld and all the other Webmaster and SEO forums out there!

You know what though?
Neither "PageRank" ranking matter too much!
What matters is real-time Marketing Data!
Neither PR representation is "Real-Time".
What you want is a consistent and relevant method of monitoring SERPs and SERP results vs changes made in “REAL TIME”!.

"Public PageRank" is updated 4 times a year.
"Internal (Private PR) is updated about once a month.
SERPs are updated constantly.

Which do you want to base your change results on?

Let's don't get lost in this "Hash" here!

I hope everyone has access to daily and even minute-to-minute server stats, wherever you host yourselves and your clients!

Otherwise you are just wondering around NAKED IN THE DARK”!

Ken

[DMC_34]

Originally Posted by greeneagle

You know what though?
Neither matter too much!
What matters is real-time Marketing Data!
Neither PR representation is "Real-Time".
What you want is a consistent and relevant method of monitoring SERPs and SERP results vs changes in “REAL TIME”!.

True but when a new site has the "goose egg" PR, it becomes VERY difficult to exchange links, since most ignorant people will assume your site is penalized.

[greeneagle]

DMC_34

IMO - Exchanging links is almost a lost cause these days.

Just about time to call it a "Depricated Practice":

Try this instead:

"Generic Link Mining - The Golden Path to "Generic" IBLs"

Ken

[tomzo]

Well said Ken, you are spot on, that is exactly what I was trying to get at. Most balanced people are talking about public PR, what is shown to webmasters.

I know a hell of a lot of webmasters, and not one has told me of an increase or decrease in PR since the 1st of January. If anyone can find evidence of this, please post?

I'm amazed at the stupidity of some people.

Thank god there some decent people out there, rather than a load of know alls who put down other peoples views, without being bright enough to realise they might well be wrong.

Just to add,

I have seen CBP explaining this confusion in many threads here :)

If someone is told soemthing often enough, they might start to believe it, even when it's not true.

Thanks Ken

[greeneagle]

tomzo,

There is a big difference between "experience" and "not bright enough"...

I often fit into both categories. What a quandry!

There is way more than enough here for any of us to get a "hold on" by ourselves...

It's all about helping each other!

Ken

[cbp]

I know a hell of a lot of webmasters, and not one has told me of an increase or decrease in PR since the 1st of January. If anyone can find evidence of this, please post?

Please show me were anyone said that! We know there has not been a public PR update since 1 January. I simply pointed out that Google update frequently internally and you called me:

cbp are completely incorrect and shouldn't post on forums.

If someone is told soemthing often enough, they might start to believe it, even when it's not true

I am still yet to see anyone post in this thread supporting your stance that Google does not update as often as every two weeks internally.
Here is one of many quotes from GoogleGuy on this:

All I was trying to get across was that we have better updates of PR and links (including a comprehensive list) in-house at Google, so I personally don't pay as much attention to when we export new externally visible links or PR.

I haven't got time to look fr the others, but did find this one from the GoogleGuy says site:

this is first time GoogleGuy has hinted that PR may actually be updated daily

Still want to dispute that Google does not update PR internally more often than the toolbar update?

CBP