Advice on a backlink windfall please...

buddhu · #1 (**permalink**) 03-08-2005, 11:01 AM

I have negotiated a deal which will give me between 3000 and 4000 additional backlinks. I'd be grateful for the opinions of some experienced members regarding the best way to make the most of these while avoiding pitfalls like filters and the sandbox.

What I had in mind was splitting the links equally using our top 10 keywords as anchor text. I figured that not only would we spread the benefit across a range of phrases, but there would be fewer identical anchor links going live simultaneously.

I am also wondering whether to have all these links pointing to our homepage, or if I should have half the links for each keyword anchor going to the homepage and the other half going to a page optimised for that phrase (with genuine content).

We already rank first page on G for all our main keyword phrases with quite a few top positions. We are in a very competitive situation however, and every position improved or consolidated makes a world of difference.

So not only do I want to improve or secure the positions we have, I totally need to do it without jeopardising what we've already achieved.

Your input, advice, suggestions would be gratefully received.

Thanks very much.

greeneagle · #2 (**permalink**) 03-08-2005, 01:46 PM

buddhu,

I am not sure anyone can adequately respond here, unless you devulge more details about how and with whom you negociated the 3000-4000 "generic"/, IBL's, and how they intend to go about it.

With that quantity, my first concern would be that I might be dealing with a "linkfarm"!

I am doubly concerned about your use of the term "backlink windfall"!

Ken

garbageaccount · #3 (**permalink**) 03-08-2005, 01:52 PM

There are so many factors that go into getting the right backlinks.

Are these backlinks contextual links being built for you by a vendor or is it a linkfarm? 3000-4000 seems like a lot to acquire quickly and might not lead to favorable results.

buddhu · #4 (**permalink**) 03-08-2005, 05:04 PM

Thanks for the replies.

Ken, I'll PM you some more info. Excuse if I don't post publicly.

Thanks

Bud

cbp · #5 (**permalink**) 03-08-2005, 05:06 PM

It is only a guess that getting too many links too quickly is the cause of the sandbox. I recently took a site from a feww 100 links to over 22 000 in a period of 4-6 weeks - ---- it came out of the sandbox!!!!

CBP

apisdesign · #6 (**permalink**) 03-08-2005, 05:37 PM

I wouldn't be concerned about getting that many links in a short period of time. You won't get punished for that. Think of jibjab.com - after a couple of national news stories their inbound links probably jumped by many thousands overnight. Their search rankings are just fine.

A major concern, I believe, are the IP ranges of the websites that are linking to you. If they are all in the same range then Google may discount them. If they're nicely spread out (i.e. hosted in a variety of different locations) they should be more valuable.

Another concern is the relatedness of the sites. If you are getting 3,000-4,000 links from knitting sites to your web design company that will be about as useful as a single link from this forum. Keep that in mind, too.

I think that using diverse keywords in the link text will help, as will linking "deeply" to pages other than your home page. The bottom line is that this shouldn't cause you any damage. If it would, then I could simply create 3,000 links to my competitor's website...

That's my $0.02. Good luck!

**incrediblehelp** · #7 (**permalink**) 03-08-2005, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbp

It is only a guess that getting too many links too quickly is the cause of the sandbox. I recently took a site from a feww 100 links to over 22 000 in a period of 4-6 weeks - ---- it came out of the sandbox!!!!

CBP

CBP,

Are you saying adding many links (from one domain name) at once is a good thing?

cbp · #8 (**permalink**) 03-08-2005, 06:41 PM

They weren't from one domain (most came from the DP co-op) - I was just able to add a considerable number of links in a short time (which included the co-op and other methods) and it helped the ranking - it did not sandbox it.

I have seen many say getting too many links too quickly is the cause of the sandbox - I am just saying they are making a guess and we have no idea of that the case of or not.

CBP

apisdesign · #9 (**permalink**) 03-08-2005, 07:10 PM

In my opinion, the fundamental question to ask yourself is "Am I trying to trick the search engines?"

If the answer is yes, then there is probably a way that they will catch you and penalize you.

If what you are doing is natural (or could be natural under different circumstances) then you should be fine.

But that's just the way we do internet marketing - simple and ethical.

**incrediblehelp** · #10 (**permalink**) 03-08-2005, 07:37 PM

Yes that is what I figured you meant CBP. I just don't believe adding many links from one domain, in a short period of time is a good idea. I don't even think it is a good idea on the same class C.

ticketauction · #11 (**permalink**) 03-08-2005, 09:16 PM

sites will see quick jumps in links and that is expected. Alexa (I know I know) has/had a section with the most recently popular sites, usually which received large ibl increases as well as traffic. Thats fine with everyone. On the other note, I am lucky enough to have a few sites that link to me from every page, for free, but google and the other engines really only seem to count it as one link although im sure it does way more.

I am Nick · #12 (**permalink**) 03-09-2005, 12:16 AM

So what are the options if I want to have more IBL? What doeas it cost and how is it best done? I have a guy submitting for 50 cents per directory, are there better and faster options?

Nick

28overpar · #13 (**permalink**) 03-09-2005, 10:16 AM

Surely as long as the site that is starting to link to you is relevant, there can't be a problem.

SCENARIO 1:
Let's say that "Second-Hand-Car-SiteA" has a side navigation bar which is on every page in their site - could be hundreds or thousands of pages.

They then come across "Tyre-Selling-Search-SiteB" and they decide to link to them from their navigation bar.

BANG - 1000's of identical anchor text links from a single site, IP address etc.

SCENRAIO 2:
Let's say that after a while, SiteB realise that they are getting links from SiteA, and discover that their users might actually find SiteA of use and decide to link to SiteA from THEIR navigation bar.

BANG - 1000's of identical anchor text links from a single site and IP address - but this time ARRGGGHHHH they are reciprocal links.

In my opinion, these are both valid uses of these links.
Is the likelihood that they will both be punished?

Don't Google just take the 1st link and class the rest as "similar pages from this site"?

hawkwind dave · #14 (**permalink**) 03-09-2005, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apisdesign

Another concern is the relatedness of the sites. If you are getting 3,000-4,000 links from knitting sites to your web design company that will be about as useful as a single link from this forum. Keep that in mind, too.

I tend to disagree with this point, considering that the knitting sites would more than likely have knitting pattern designs, it'd be ideal for a web design company IMHO.

what i ask myself is 'how does a robot define relevance?'
all it can do is compare keywords and think 'match' or 'no match'.

please correct me if I'm wrong, I often am!

greeneagle · #15 (**permalink**) 03-09-2005, 10:25 AM

hawkwind Dave,

Have you visited this thread yet?

http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=40250

Ken

hawkwind dave · #16 (**permalink**) 03-09-2005, 10:50 AM

Thanks for the pointer Ken,

I generally avoid threads that i cant pronounce!

interesting stuff indeed :-)

dave.

apisdesign · #17 (**permalink**) 03-09-2005, 11:50 AM

hawkwind dave,

Touche. Your humorous point is conceded.

The question you asked: 'how does a robot define relevance?' is the million dollar question. Answer this one, my friend, and you've got yourself a very successful internet marketing business on your hands.

I had another thought - is it possible that search engines (like Google) correlate inbound links with TrafficRank? Using jibjab.com as an example, when their IBLs jumped overnight, their traffic invariably did as well.

If we take buddhu's site with a few thousand extra IBLs overnight but no subsequent jump in traffic, perhaps Google would recognize the new links as attempts to artificially increase IBL numbers and discount them.

Any thoughts?

hawkwind dave · #18 (**permalink**) 03-09-2005, 12:08 PM

Hi apisdesign,

hmmmm, interesting......

however, before i embarrass myself....

trafficrank? do you refer to trafficrank.com or to something similar to pagerank, ie. trafficrank is a way of measuring traffic to a site?

brander · #19 (**permalink**) 07-11-2007, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I am Nick

So what are the options if I want to have more IBL? What doeas it cost and how is it best done? I have a guy submitting for 50 cents per directory, are there better and faster options?

Nick

I have read that there may be as many as 700,000 directories on the internet. Does this mean that you want to pay $350,000 to get in all of them?

There are different ways of getting those IBL's and some of them are good, some bad. I guess the question is are you seeking IBL's that will increase in value over time or just a quick fix?

If you read these forums, you know that the standard ways of gaining link popularity are:
Writing and Distributing Articles, Writing and Distributing Press Releases, Buying Text Links, Submitting your site to directories, and then using forums and other types of websites to post your links.

Rather then say what is best for your business, I will pose a question for all the participants of this forum:
If LSI (Latent Semantic Indexing) is to become a fact of the Major Search Engine Algorithms within the next year or so, or even if it is being used by Google and some others already; what do you suggest is the best way to go?

My opinion is that creating links that take into account the fact that LSI is eventually going to drive placements and may already be doing so, is the way to go.

This is what I do. And interestingly it shows some promise as a long term solution to building IBL's