Google=Glorified TV - Page 2

dmcgill · #51 (**permalink**) 12-13-2003, 12:40 PM

Hi,
This thread got fairly lively last night after I closed my peepers, (I know that isn't proper english if anyone needs a definition, PM me).
There have always been two and more than likely more ways people look at the Internet and marketing on the Internet.
1. It is a place to freely trade ideas and the key word here is "freely".
2. It is the largest shopping mall in the world.

This forum is an example of the free trade of ideas and there are millions of sites out there that show how the shopping mall works.
I stongly believe that Janeth has shown good ethics and has defended them well in this thread. and excell has still not made a point as far as I can see. What could possibly be the problem with trying to understand how a search engine, (in this case Google) lists your site and what could be wrong with trying to beat Google at their own game? If that is not good business practice, so is trying to get a better price on a car or finding in-expensive ways to market your products in the real world.

I think it is fine for someone to get rich. Bill Gates did it and if you know a bit about the background, I think you will agree that he didn't always use the best business practices. Yahoo once had an iron fist on the search engine industry and now Google has the ball.

My point is this. If we don't try and keep up with the trends, we will disapear. I don't believe it is an intentional goal of Google to change its algorithms to cause websites to disapear but because the change algorithms websites do disapear unless you do have the one most sought after thing, $$!
That is upsetting to small business but in a research paper I read in a different forum, 60% of all business done on the web was done by "small" business. That small business is defigned as organizations with less than 10 employee's and in most cases home run business.

In conclusion: I would encourage all to work in what ever legal method of promotion to keep it up and one fact is, the buyer base is always growing so we should all be able to get somewhere if we try.
So do the cyberspace hand shake Janeth and Excell lol and lets all get along, but if I were going to choose a business to work for me it would have to be Janeth simply because I like the competitive spirit, the drive and her answers.
dmcgill

excell · #52 (**permalink**) 12-13-2003, 12:53 PM

I will allow Janeth to respond to this...

:) *bow* the floor is yours madam

trsiyengar · #53 (**permalink**) 12-13-2003, 01:03 PM

Hi Janeth,
[quote]
I will go ahead and make everyone mad
[unquote]

It seems, after reading the entire exchanges among us, what you are really doing is, oh it is with your smile!, and you are making your committed comment to true!! Bravo.

Never budge an inch.

Now for the subject, still there are people who trust selective search engines, whether small or big. You can not ignore Google, for the fact, it is now the number one and going to stand in the same position despite the competitors in the Search Engine world merging and making together. A new alliance is taking shape every now and then, yet, they are no where nearer to Google.

Please take a note of it; money will certainly play a role at one or other point. That too, when same sort of businessmen having equally powerfull, then the toss begins. It is simple logic to that extent. What about other Search Engines that they openly declare TOP Ranking for a premium?

One way, this discussions beneficial to the internet community. Yes, Google too started keenly watching this growing exchanges and now they might change a little!!!!! (mend or amend).

I shall see to it, that you are not giving up. Hats off to your stand.
trsiyengar
Dec. 13, 2003
http://trsiyengar.tripod.com
(no more bannners & popups)

excell · #54 (**permalink**) 12-13-2003, 01:10 PM

It's a bit of a fizzer isn't it when google cannot hold to relevancy and keep it up.

The show down of the search engines will be seen in the new year and those that are playing will not be those that pander to trends and winds, rumours or flimsies.

janeth · #55 (**permalink**) 12-13-2003, 01:23 PM

I got the problem

I now know why excell is upset at me.

As a lot of you know we did a complete redesign of our web site. When we did this we use to do web design for free or at lest the front page.

In some of my meta tags I have not had time to take the word free out. This has upset excell and I guess he thought I was trying to trick Google which was not the case at all.

I'm sure there are enough people that know me well enough to know I have no desire to get ranked for something I do not do.

Most people would have just sent an email an asked but excell felt like by doing it this way he could make me look bad.

I do hope you where able to convince people that I'm really a bad person excell and good luck in trying to cause me problems in the future.

A full page of you saying I'm such a bad person because I have not had time to change all my meta tags

excell · #56 (**permalink**) 12-13-2003, 01:30 PM

errm.. no sorry Janeth, it is not all about YOU and that is my point.

go figure ok.

excell · #57 (**permalink**) 12-13-2003, 01:35 PM

OK.. so I will expand on that.. the whole point is not to focus in on Janeth or her web site..

but to take a larger glimpse of the picture, how does the world perceive YOU? are you consistently clear in your message? If you have been outsted by the latest ridiculous rankingings in google ..

can you see anything wrong?

If not then DON'T CHANGE a thing!

If for any reason someone is yo-yoing then look at their web site and measure your own in light with what you are telling the marketplace about you.

janeth · #58 (**permalink**) 12-13-2003, 01:38 PM

I agree trsiyengar,
I think when it is all over Google will still be #1 but not by the amount they are now.

I think Google has seen there biggest years and now there just going to be holding on.

janeth · #59 (**permalink**) 12-13-2003, 01:41 PM

excell
I have enough friends and enough people that I talk to that I do not have to go around attacking other people.

Maybe you should find something else to do I have grown tired of this game with you.

excell · #60 (**permalink**) 12-13-2003, 01:43 PM

ermm.. yup.. you found a problem
you are fixing it, you have no thanks and you can make me disapear?

Is that what you want to say really?

janeth · #61 (**permalink**) 12-13-2003, 01:49 PM

excell
To start with I can not make you disapear

I think your a smart guy and enjoy talking with you just not when your attacking my site.

You pointed out a problem I already knew about in away to try and make me look bad.

Do you think I should say thank you.

There is a joke in there some where about a sheep hearder a dog and a consultant

I do not want to fight with you what your talking about is something a lot of people know about so it is nothing new.

excell · #62 (**permalink**) 12-13-2003, 01:59 PM

So, then .. In light of the current google re-shuffle it will be truely interesting to watch your web site as a case model as you continue to "de-optimize" and blaze out as a fore runner in how it should be done,

It's always great to watch a mover & shaker like that and track exactly what is going on and why.

Thanks for sharing so much of what you do, it's great to watch.

janeth · #63 (**permalink**) 12-13-2003, 02:03 PM

excell we lost our ranking and we got it back.

If Google makes other changes I will also make changes.

I think that you feel like I should sit and wait and for how long do you think I should wait?

It took me a week to get my ranking back.

I think it was a good move on my part. You act as if you have some inside track to Google in an email you sent me you went as far to say you could not say what Google is about to do.

trsiyengar · #64 (**permalink**) 12-13-2003, 02:14 PM

No one can be accused of Good and Bad for the circumstances they involved in. In this forum, Please, Please, no name calling.

Competition is good & healthy that brings development to the clients overall satisfaction. Pricing is not the only creteria. A novel idea, a personal and dedicated service one provides, above all good manners and eticacy that is shown to them which ends in good and fair development. The dediction is the kewy word.

Janeth is not taken as bad as some one might accuse. Err is to human. Still you have enough time to change your tags. But surely it might disturb your ranking. It may not be with Google, but all other Search Engines will surely slide you down, for the changes you make now. EVEN IF YOU PAY ANY HEFTY SUM, Janeth, you will not get your status quo, because the fortnightly crawling web robot might miss you.

Do you realize now, where you stand? Money? Hard work? Oh, both you lost now, if you change your TAGS!!

Don't you agree on this point with your last posting? Just only because you failed remove the word "free" you got into trouble. Poor guy Excell! He has to bow and say 'the land is yours'.

I read often some X,Y,Z is tying up with this and that Search Engine group, still they can not compete Google, atleast as of now, only because Google has grown larger than life size. (Who knows, they might vanish in the snow some day).

Please accept one thing. If equal number of competitors with equally having the money & muscle power, and if this happens to be in multiple, then whom you will chose on the top?? Alphapetically it might work okay, but page ranking wise how this can be done?

You pay a premium, you will be placed in 300 Search Engine and the ranking with them will never be always the same. Reason? The size of their data postings are fewer than what Google does. Yes, this I have seen practically - When yahoo returns with total one million entries for a single popular key word search, MSN gives only half of it. And Rediff ? Still less. Wherein Google posts the return with Seven million.

When the size grows, the small and medium biz. are out in the wild. That's why many medium sized organizations are favouring the smaller search engines. And that's how the other medium sized and smaller sized Search Engines are surviving.

Aware of this, once the other search Engine too grows to the size of Google, then there too would, $$$ & Money & $$$ only be playing a role. This is what ultimately going to happen. So why single out Google alone???

It may not be to your liking. But do you know the fact that the data bank of Google has five times more than that of collectively held by its second line competitors. If E'x'cell retires, then some Y, Z will come into the picture!

Best of Luck, Janeth,
trsiyengar
Dec. 14, 2003
http://trsiyengar.tripod.com

excell · #65 (**permalink**) 12-13-2003, 02:16 PM

Janeth, I am not out to de-throne you, you are SO wonderful and yet all I am implying is to watch out for WHY you sit there, be careful what you advise, if you are going to repeatedly use YOUR web site as a golden example then obviously you are quite pre-pared for the chook examination that would be eventually given you..

do you pass?

do you care?

As far as my private messages to you go, feel free to publish them if you think you need to.. hey! LOL

janeth · #66 (**permalink**) 12-13-2003, 02:24 PM

Hi trsiyengar

Changing the meta tags will move me up in ranking not down.

Right now the new content does not match the old tags. By changing those tags I will move up.

I have just not taken the time to do it yet.

excell · #67 (**permalink**) 12-13-2003, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Poor guy Excell! He has to bow and say 'the land is yours'.

LOL.. that was my gesture to Janeth to make a proud come back into the forums after I had explained to her the exact problem via PM.. but that path was obviously not chosen.

Sorry that my gesture, my comments and my alert have been so un-apprieciated. That's life *shrug*

janeth · #68 (**permalink**) 12-13-2003, 02:27 PM

Excell,
You claim to have an inside with Google and know what no one else knows that was in the email you sent me.

But on Google's web site they say do not trust anyone that say's this because it is untrue.

I have never claimed to be on a throne I have never never said I had the perfect web site. As a matter of fact I would love to see where you saw me say that.

excell · #69 (**permalink**) 12-13-2003, 02:42 PM

Janeth, I am not quite sure what is with you, all I know is that in my general observation of forums that you were very vocal about the current google situation, what you did, how you fared and etc and what I found on your web site gave me cause enough to think.. we are not taking do-optimization here.. we are talking de-spamming...

and you have a long way to go before that is achieved IMO.

Not only that but your current web presense looks fraudulent with the claims of services i.e. FREE that you do not offer.

In our subsequent PMs I pointed out the exact problem and you are most welcome to share that in context with your forum...

but, let it be known, I have never sent you an e-mail and neither would I wish to.

I also offered for you to take to floor and clear this up but you declined to do that.. instead you seem to have some sort of problem with taking critizism...

janeth · #70 (**permalink**) 12-13-2003, 02:50 PM

excell
I'm finished talking with you. You are talking about an old meta tag on a page inside my web site with the word free in it.

I have explained this to you.

I can not help you any more and I will not be draged into this game with you.

I will not answer any more of you post

excell · #71 (**permalink**) 12-13-2003, 02:57 PM

LOL and here is a lady that wants to talk google.. :)

that old thing is pulling hatchets on you.. you might not want to talk to me and that is fine, but take a look outside yourself and see what the world sees.

Quite funny really isn't it.

minstrel · #72 (**permalink**) 12-13-2003, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by excell

Quite funny really isn't it.

I can see that it is to you, excell, but believe me it isn't to anyone else.

The fact that you posted a message identifying that your complaint was about a meta tag containing the word "free" and then returned a few minutes later to edit it saying "too much information" I think is sufficient proof that your interest here has to do with baiting another member, not helping anyone.

This is an unmoderated forum - unfortunately in the case of this thread, since, if it were an option I would have locked it a long time ago.

Now I suggest you give it up - find something else to do or someone else to bait if you must but just give it up here, okay?