All but home page no longer Index

[Jamie]

Recently all my primary pages accept for my home page are no longer indexed by Google. At one time they were all indexed. Some of my pages 3 and 4 level below however are still indexed. I have also dropped from a respectable 1st and 2nd page showings for my keywords down to out of site and I wonder if this could be related. And what would cause me not to be indexed on these pages? I have also noticed that when I take text from my home page and sometimes from my other pages another website that competes with me shows up but I do not see the text on his website. It looks like he has cloaked by website and I wonder if this has also impacted why my site is no longer indexed. I did report this site to Google today.

For example when I take this text from my home
page:
"A value added customer approach to pricing. A two-way translated connection starts for as low as $14... and then works it's way down." and do a search in Google this site come up before mine:

peru mail order brides - latin women - latina women - bride ...
... Latin bride A value added customer approach to pricing. A two-way translated
connection starts for as low as $14... and then works it's way down. ...
www.buytieline.com/ - 14k -

when I take other text from my site the same website will come up but under a different domain.

Now I recently changed by copy to lower the keyword content so I was only trying this with text I know had not recently changed.

Any comments on what I should do would be appreciated.

[cyanide]

Hi jamie,

Just skimmed through your site and I have to say, that I would probably would worry more about optimizing your own pages than worry about a copy-cat.
Not that I condone this other site's actions, ofcourse

When you say that your pages areno longer indexed by Google, did you make nay changes to your site?
There are many things you can do to optimize your pages.
On most of your pages, you have a session id and that's a definite search engine killer.
Your home page is extremely long and bots may become disgruntled having to index that page.

[janeth]

Hi Jamie,
I hope everything is going good.

I would like to add one thing to what cyanide has said.

To start with Google is always making changes so it is hard to figure out what there going to do next and what worked last week may not work this week.

Some people are saying that Google is also looking at the amount of links leaving a page right now you have

Total links: 130 links containing 641 LinkWords and 344 URL words.

Google thiks that if you have the asme amount or more links leaving then coming in then your trading links. This could be one problem your having.

There are a lot of other things you also need to look at but this might be a good starting point.

[Jamie]

When you say that your pages are no longer indexed by Google, did you make any changes to your site?

I had not made any changes to my site prior to my recent drop and lost of page indexing. I was ranked on the first two pages for most of my keywords and had many top 10 rankings prior to an immediate drop of my site. I only changed my keyword density based on the suggestions from this forum. All my primary pages were indexed shortly after going live in March of this year. Now my home page is indexed and most of my individual photo profile pages are indexed but not my primary pages (FAQ, About Us, Contact Us, Pricing & Services, Personal Introductions and Photo Profiles) However pages one level below the main Photo Profile page are indexed. Any ideas?

Please tell me more about the session Id because the only changes I have made over the last few months has been with copy and my ranking were only getting better over time until the drop.
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[Jamie]

[quote="cyanide"]

When you say that your pages areno longer indexed by Google, did you make nay changes to your site?
There are many things you can do to optimize your pages.
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I had not made any changes to my site prior to my recent drop and lost of page indexing. I was ranked on the first two pages for most of my keywords and had many top 10 rankings prior to an immediate drop of my site. I only changed my keyword density based on the suggestions from this forum. All my primary pages were indexed shortly after going live in March of this year. Now my home page is indexed and most of my individual photo profile pages are indexed but not my primary pages (FAQ, About Us, Contact Us, Pricing & Services, Personal Introductions and Photo Profiles) However pages one level below the main Photo Profile page are indexed. Any ideas?

Please tell me more about the session Id because the only changes I have made over the last few months has been with copy and my ranking were only getting better over time until the drop.

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by janeth

Hi Jamie,
Some people are saying that Google is also looking at the amount of links leaving a page right now you have

Total links: 130 links containing 641 LinkWords and 344 URL words.

Google thiks that if you have the asme amount or more links leaving then coming in then your trading links.

Janeth these are all legitimate dating directories in which I have a reciprocal link with. I used key words that were in the title of their home page as my anchor text for these links. Do you think this may have hurt me for excessive use of key words?
I also noticed that for many of the big key words that these same dating directories are getting the top rankings. Why would they not be affected by the 100's of outgoing links they have?
I would not think my links would have anything to do with my loss of indexing, any ideas here? Is it possible I was being punished due to the other site cloaking my copy and Google reading me as a duplicate website? However, this would not explain my home site no being indexed since they cloaked the copy from this page also. Any help is welcomed. Thanks Jamie

[janeth]

If you have linked to one bad site that could also hurt you. You may want to make sure all the sites you have linked to have a pr with Google.

I have not slept but three hours in the last two days so I hope this comes out ok.

If everyone links to you using the same text then Google could ban your site for that text only.

I would wait a little because Google is not finished yet before I started making a lot of changes but I would work on getting links to different pages on the site and for different key words.

[cyanide]

Jamie,

Look on the end of all your pages, and you will see ?sid= followed by a series of digits. This is what's called a session id.
It's a search engine killer

A session id is unique and always changes. Think of it this way... on any one of your pages, when the bots come to it, the URL string will look different, bot will think it's a different page entirely. So how is it supposed to be indexed if it is always changing.

Proof of this is pr. Your home page is a pr of 4, but on every other page, it is 0.
I also just noticed you have another site with what looks like an exact duplicate. You could very well be on your way to being banned from Google.

Janeth has a point about the link exchanging, however it is not as serious as what I've mentioned above

[simonm]

Janeth wrote

If everyone links to you using the same text then Google could ban your site for that text only.

But in another post you highlighted the "miserable failure" effect of using the same link text to point to an unrelated web site.

These are strange and mysterious times, I am avoiding making too many assumptions until the next dance as most of my assumptions base don one group of sites seem to be dispelled when considering another group.

In terms of the Google algorithm, I expect it has to be intelligent and sophisticated (a bit like me) however, unlike me, it has to process over 2 billion pages with a very complex consideration of cross links etc. Thus it has to have limits as to the level of intelligence (AI) it can apply to assigning relative value to the 100 variables it deals with.

[janeth]

Hi simonm

Strange times mean you figure out whats going on and adjust not stop.

In the post before I said if everyone links to you and the links in your web site going to different pages all link with the same search term the Google can ban you for that search term.

I do not think every link going to the site uses the key word "miserable failure" and I'm sure bush did not use it to link to any of his pages in his site.

[simonm]

Hi Janeth

I think I see what you mean. Certainly your previous post has added to my strategy for changing the way that I am dealing with cross links between the various web sites I manage and internally on the larger sites - it just gets ever more complex. The problem is, where we have companies whose name reflects the product or service, in one case "drinking water services ltd" with a web site "www.drinking-water.co.uk" I guess a normal business link by name can easily be interpreted - based on your comments - as spam.

PS. I'm off home now (I'm in the local village pantomime) so excuse any apparent non response.

Simon

[janeth]

I had over 100 links from one site for the word custom web site design.

Google last month gave credit for all 100 links now I only get credit for one of those links.

Because I have more sites that use that link also I still rank in the top ten for custom web site design but I'm no longer number one.

You own site would work the same way if I had 1,000 pages that use the word web design to link back to the home page I may only get credit for one of those links. Where before I got credit for all of them.

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by cyanide

Jamie,
A session id is unique and always changes. ....

I also just noticed you have another site with what looks like an exact duplicate. You could very well be on your way to being banned from Google.

Ok I remember why I had the session ID. The SID was added so that there would be no issues with cookies or AOL IP's.

When a person hits the site and does some shopping, adds to cart, goes off somewhere else on the site, adds something else, etc, we had to have a way
to remember which cart items belong to them. This is typically done with either cookies (or remembering a session id but session id's in memory do not work if cookies are disabled) or the users IP address changes.

We decided to pass the codes along with each link to avoid 2 problems with shopping.
Problem 1 that was resolved by this: AOL has some major problems when tracking shopping activity by IP address as AOL can and does just all the sudden change the IP address within browsing sessions when using AOL's internal browsers... therefore, a users shopping cart contents will just disappear because the number we were remembering in order to track what
items in the database belonged to them all of the sudden changed because AOL had "none standard" stuff.

Problem 2 was that many users disable cookies and when they do that, the system can not remember behind the scenes any memory variables such as what
the persons IP Address originally was and their session id automatically changes during each new page load. We wanted them to just be able to go
there and buy with no extra effort on their part regardless of what kinda of challenge we were presented by AOL or user cookies or whatever.

Therefore, we have to grab the users info (IP Address and Session ID) upon their 1st page view and always use that, regardless of whether something on
their system decides to up and change it on us in mid-stream... therefore, we pass it along the command line as a parameter and therefore avoid all
problems.

I had heard that Google didn't like to index pages with an ID= and yet we wanted to have it index the photo profile pages so we changed that parameter to RID=
We set up a html page that is automatically
generated that Google gets a hold of

http://www.latin-wife.com/ndx/profile_links.htm

Google is indexing the photo profile pages that I assume as all it has is a ?rid=GIRLSRECORDNUMBER...

So it appears maybe that the primary (main site pages) are not being indexed now due to the SID= and yet the photo profiles are being indexed because the
the before mentioned link.

So is the answer to add another html page that just points to each of my site pages without the SID='s... much like what we did for the photo profile records? I.E.
Main Home Page Title (which is a link to
http://www.latin-wife.com/Default.asp as opposed to the Default.asp?SID=1234555-2324443 or whatever) and do a page of links for each of the primary site pages?
Please let me know if this the best way to go about this?
As for the duplicate website. I do have 2 domains pointing to one website. I understood that it was ok to do this. Please tell me if this is not the case?

I will say that my ranking on MSN are pretty good. It was only recently that I had all these problems with Google.
Thanks Jamie

[janeth]

Hi Jamie,

I have spent a lot of time looking at your site, you know I love your site and I'm not trying to be ugly but a site where your looking for a bride why would you have a shopping cart I guess i had not gotten that far into your site before but what all do you sale?

Again I'm not trying to be mean.

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by janeth

but what all do you sale?

Again I'm not trying to be mean.

Janeth, I know you are not trying to be mean you have been very helpful. What I do is facilitate communications and introductions. So I can sell an address or I can sell a translated correspondence or I can sell a translated 3 way phone call, or I can sell a visit that could include hotel accommodations, translations and introductions. I also provide for custom request, which can include gifts for the girls or placing them into English school and so on. So any comments on my set up with secessions as well as if having more than one domain to a website is safe is appreciated.
Jamie

[janeth]

Hi Jamie

After I posted that I spent some time on your web site and figured it out.

I'm going to be getting more domain names for my site it is not to trick anyone it is so if my host goes down I have a back up site.

I think there are somethings that are just good business.

If Google does not like it I will figure out ways around them but I would not let them decide how you run your business.