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Old 01-28-2005, 03:13 PM
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Default Title question

My questions is actually very simple. Because of space constraints, I was thinking about formatting my page title as below separated by "|" without any spaces.

Space Cowboys|Mars Rovers|Jupiter Probe

Will Google or other search engines get confused and not know I am using "|" as a separator?

Thanks in advance.
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Old 01-28-2005, 05:11 PM
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I have never seen a case where a Title needed to be long enough for space to be a consideration that way.

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Old 01-28-2005, 05:23 PM
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Default welll, here's why

Given there is a limit on how many characters Google will show, I just want to make sure I can get everything in. I really only have 3 keyword phrases, they just happened to be long words. I guess I can just see what happens after Google crawls my site.
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inflectionpt: You have me confused. Space restraints? Three (seemingly disconnected) products (if that's what they are) in one title?
I don't understand your problem one bit, let alone know what the solution is.
What I can say, though, is the following.
1. No website that I know of has space limitations imposed upon it. The SEs don't lay any parameters down; indeed they favour pages and pages of content. Visitors also aren't going to care how much you want to tell them, as long as it's information they're looking for.
The only guess I can make is that some designer is charging you by the word/sentence/page/somesuch-similar-unit and you can afford to pay for only so much. If so, though, I'm not easily convinced that you've hired the right guy/gal, nor am I sure that you're going to get value for your money.
2. Whatever your trio happens to be (products, games, topics for discussion, who knows what), there just has to be one phrase that encompasses them all. Even something like "Three Things for You to Know /(Do) / (Learn) / (Benefit from) &c" or "Three different approaches / (ways to do something) (ideas to explore) / (products to buy) &c" will serve. You simply need to recognize the common denominator and then use it as the basis for your title.
Beyond this, you merely need to come up with (what you can call) subtitles that provide a fuller explanation -- because surely you don't think that the SEs will stop at your first (title) line and go no further? I mean, where do the descriptions frequently come from other than some snippets of the website's text?

Anyway, enough of my mutterings. Just tell us all more about what you're trying to do and why you think it's as difficult as you say.

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I think he simply wants to get that pharse visible in the Title bar of explorer, that's all ;)
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That is what I am trying to find out. I want my title to be visible but wanted to make sure the use "|" without any spaces will still separate the different phrases.
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Again,
I still don't see the need for the "|"s , especially if you have 3 keyphrases you are targeting in the Title and Description metatag.

That' doesn't stretch the limits at all!
Why throw the extra characters in to confuse things?

Just don't get it!

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I still don't see the need for the "|"s , especially if you have 3 keyphrases you are targeting in the Title and Description metatag.

That' doesn't stretch the limits at all!
Why throw the extra characters in to confuse things?

Just don't get it!

Ken
I agree acutually the "|"s could effect for ranking. Someone searching for Mars Rovers may not see you unless they type in |Mars Rovers|

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For some reason my question is confusing, but thanks for asking. There is a limit in the number of charaters that google shows for titles in the seach results. I was just wondering if using separators such as "|" without spaces would properly separate my keyword phrases. That's all.
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Old 01-30-2005, 07:16 PM
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You could probably clear things up by being mor descriptive...

What are you trying to achieve with what keyphrases?

How will they effect the Title?

Is/Are your domain directories/subdirectories aligned name-wise?

Have you sufficiently channeled those issues down to copywriting HTML Text to support those channels?

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You could probably clear things up by being mor descriptive...

What are you trying to achieve with what keyphrases?

How will they effect the Title?

Is/Are your domain directories/subdirectories aligned name-wise?

Have you sufficiently channeled those issues down to copywriting HTML Text to support those channels?

Ken
Ken your brain is to darn big.
What Ken is trying to say is: Marketing marketing marketing... and "The Devil is in the details"... I think.

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Old 02-01-2005, 05:29 AM
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inflectionpt, I understand your question. But won't a "|" be counted as a character the same as a space? So will it actually save you anything?
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The shorter the title, the more emphasis on each word. I can move up 3 positions in SERPS by making my title shorter, to focus on one key phrase. When the title is longer, I sink in SERPS.
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inflectionpt, I understand your question. But won't a "|" be counted as a character the same as a space? So will it actually save you anything?
I agree with this. | is a character as well as a ' '. Google will still trim after the same number of characters with or without the |. Based on ranking, I wouldn't risk using a | vs. a ' ' anyway. I'm not sure how that character would be taken, but its not worth the chance. I don't think google will see it is a space, but google will instead see a really long nasty word that doesn't exist.
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Default Keep most important Keywords in front!

Plain and simple you do not need the spacers
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