Sandbox

jacobwissler · #1 (**permalink**) 01-24-2005, 04:35 PM

Could a top-of-page text link from a major Fortune 100 corporation PR 9 site with 74,000 backlinks, and very few OBL, pull a site out of the sandbox? There are no banners or advertising on the page.

cbp · #2 (**permalink**) 01-24-2005, 05:06 PM

No idea.

No one knows for sure how to get out, except time and patience. If anyone does know, they are not saying so publically (probably making a killing before everyone else finds out).

There is still debate as to the cause of the sandbox. Could be the age of the site or the age of the links. If its the links, then a PR9 link is not going to help get out ---- maybe fantastic for traffic.

CBP

Wotan · #3 (**permalink**) 01-24-2005, 06:32 PM

What a co-incidence, I just hit the site with the intention of starting a thread titled Sandbox bu Jacob beat me to it.

I have a site that is clearly in the sandbox and has been for months. It has strong backlinks, good PR etc etc and always gets picked up for new, highly optimised pages in just a few days even for one or two word phrases. However, there are two main phrases that Google firmly placed in the sandbox.

I think I know why and it's been well documented. We basically changed the domain of an old site and contacted all our major link partners to update their links to our new domain site. This meant that we very quickly had many IBL's to a previously unused domain. I guess Google took this as an attempted hijack of those two phrases and sandboxed us. Now I'm keen spot the signs that we are getting out.

Does anyone have any experience with a site coming out of the sandbox, what are the signs? Is it instant or gradual? Is there anything we can do to speed it up when it does start?

Please post any experiences so maybe we can build a picture of how the sandbox works and how to avoid it in the future.

Thanks in advance.

N.

jacobwissler · #4 (**permalink**) 01-24-2005, 07:05 PM

Let's be logical. If John Kerry or George Bush launched a site during the election, it would not go into a sandbox, even if it was new. The New York Times and the White House would all be linking to it, so enough PR 9 links from very legit sites must be able to pull a new site out of the sandbox.

I suspect that the sandbox does not apply to the Fortune 100, or anyone who can get links from the very top of American society. If HP or Dell launch a new product, do not expect a sandbox.

freehits · #5 (**permalink**) 01-24-2005, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jacobwissler

Let's be logical. If John Kerry or George Bush launched a site during the election, it would not go into a sandbox, even if it was new. The New York Times and the White House would all be linking to it, so enough PR 9 links from very legit sites must be able to pull a new site out of the sandbox.

I suspect that the sandbox does not apply to the Fortune 100, or anyone who can get links from the very top of American society. If HP or Dell launch a new product, do not expect a sandbox.

This is on the money, but I imagine one call from the bush compound and Kerry's would stay sandboxed until December 1st, and the cache would get shredded. This of course would be referred to as a Florida update.

Wotan · #6 (**permalink**) 01-25-2005, 05:51 AM

Interesting... ok so I'm going to test this theory with links from some PR8 and 9 then. Give it a couple of weeks and I'll post back with the results.

N.

jacobwissler · #7 (**permalink**) 01-25-2005, 08:10 AM

Very hard to do because there are few PR 9 sites left. I work with a site that was a PR 9, but it just fell to a PR 7 in the recent update, despite 74,900 backlinks, and no unethical behavior. It appears that Google may not give full credit for links of large corporate networks that link back to the parent corporation. Before the recent update, any corporation with thousands of branches (for example, Bank of America, or the NBC Network)would have been an automatic PR 9. Now they both have a PR 8 and many large companies fell to PR 7.