Have you lost some rankings after ...?

[Dervish]

Greetings!
Have you lost some rankings on some of your words, after Google has doubled his index?
I mean 2-5-10 positions on some words.

[DriWashSolutions]

How about 40-50 or 60 positions. That's more like it. 35th to 95th.

[clasione]

Well, I have definetly noticed things change for 1 and 2 word keywords while longer phrases havent moved much....

lost a few spots to some of the most difficult keywords on the net...

[jestep]

I have been looking at it for a few weeks now, and from what I can tell, google also did some sort of an algo change at the same time. I have seen several sites drop from #1 to nowhere. These sites were all using the same techniques which I would consider spam to get top rankings for very competitive search terms.

[wednesday]

Originally Posted by jestep

These sites were all using the same techniques which I would consider spam to get top rankings for very competitive search terms.

What techniques?

[activeco]

Originally Posted by martis

What techniques?

Some call it SEO.

[wednesday]

Originally Posted by activeco

Some call it SEO.

Yes. And what kind of seo techniques are using the sites that drop out? If google drops some "spam techniques" in this update
here is the place to discuss it. I gues. They may be hard spam or just popular practice considered spam. I personally want to be up to date with google seo filters.

[smo]

I have a positive growth in traffic from google but I am also interested to know if any change in algo is there. I have added some content to my site and done some updations also, so that is what has helped me or some thing other than this is responsible in growth in traffic?

[Mr_Gadget]

Yup, I saw a drop in some of our keywords but only by a couple of places. I really believe that if you put good content on your site, rather than just work the HTML and links, you'll always have a good rank...I think sometimes people forget that "Content is King"!

[activeco]

To start with I would recommend the source for basic rules:
http://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html

Per definition SEO itself is a spam!
Try to think in a SE way. What would YOU consider as spam if designing a SE?
Google describes it in a simple way:
"Make pages for users, not for search engines."
and
"Webmasters who spend their energies upholding the spirit of the basic principles listed above will provide a much better user experience and subsequently enjoy better ranking than those who spend their time looking for loopholes they can exploit."

and another one:
"You should never have to link to an SEO" !!

However, some people are very confident that Google don't filter many SE spams even the simple ones like cloaking, etc.
GoogleGuy, the unoffical Google voice on Internet put it in this way:
GG:
"I'm happy for anyone to define spam anyway they want, or even to claim that it doesn't exist. I think Google has some pretty clear examples of what we consider spam in our quality guidelines, and people who think that there is no such thing as spam should still be aware of our quality guidelines."

Another reply to a spam question:
Q: "Would Google consider a two tier system for spam reporting? Level 1 - the current 'report a specific spammer' - where the focus is on reporting a specific (usually competitor) url. Level 2 - a higher level, formalised programme leveraging the skills of SEO professionals - where the focus is on reporting 'spam methods' - with an aim of improving the filters and improving the results."

GG A: "I would love to see more reports of spam methods rather than just individual instances. If a picture is worth a thousand words, then reports of spam methods can be almost as valuable in the same way. Since we're most interested in working on scalable algorithms, it helps to have descriptions of methods rather than pointing out a specific instance of spam."

This was some time ago. Clearly, they didn't have fully automated algo for detecting spam.
Did they finally made it recently?
Only Google knows.

For additional info you may look at:

http://www.sethf.com/anticensorware/...esian-spam.php
http://www.benedelman.org/spyware/whenu-spam/
http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=19333
etc., etc...

[anuj_pandit1]

Hi Friend,
I have face this type of problem, in one day i was on 7th position from 2nd position.
Some times google gives this type of output but dont worry and wait for some time it can put you again on same position.


Regards
Alok Upadhyay
India

[smo]

Originally Posted by anuj_pandit1

Hi Friend,
I have face this type of problem, in one day i was on 7th position from 2nd position.

The position keeps on changing even within the different data centers of google. Using google api thourgh my code I get a different rank than what I get by visiting google sites.

[wednesday]

With all my respect to google, they are the best se. And of course they should drop the spam. And they will. But I think there is nothing wrong to make your site more visible. And there are some borders you must not smuggle. I know the customs policy. And that's what I asked for. What are the news from the custom officer. Curiosity.

As for the main topic question. I've got some positions up. But still sandy out there.

Sincerely,
Martin

[pdstein]

Originally Posted by Dervish

Greetings!
Have you lost some rankings on some of your words, after Google has doubled his index?
I mean 2-5-10 positions on some words.

Actually, I noticed some of my other pages showing up in the SERPs for keywords my homepage already ranked well. There was one keyword phrase for which my homepage was ranked #1 and some time after the Google index doubled (not sure exactly when) another one of my pages that wasn't previously in the top 30 showed up at #15.

I've only been checking the top 30 results, so I don't know where it ranked before. It could be that the page was ranked in the 30s or 40s and just got bumped up to 15, or it could be that when Google doubled its database that page got added.