Google Directory "Update"

DriWashSolutions · #1 (**permalink**) 11-29-2004, 03:04 PM

It appears that the Big G has "updated" their directory again. This time, it appears as though they've reverted back to where they where before they reverted back the last time!

So, all the ground that my site made up was lost with the previous "update", and my rankings went down accordingly. Now, hopefully I can get back to where I was before the last "reversion". Most of this was due to the fact that I was in DMOZ (which also updated) and the with previous reversal, I wasn't listed.

Anyone else experience this type of fluctuation?

cbp · #2 (**permalink**) 11-29-2004, 04:22 PM

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Anyone else experience this type of fluctuation?

No.

Google always seem to have trouble using the RDF dump from DMOZ. Its been reverting back and forward for a while now. The current version of Google Direcory is DMOZ >6 weeks ago... so is the PR displayed in the Directory.

CBP

ireneherz · #3 (**permalink**) 11-29-2004, 06:04 PM

I went from 25 links down to 10 in the last go 'round, now I'm at 66. Still not in DMOZ. Through it all, I've had the same darn PR of 4.

ritaperdue · #4 (**permalink**) 11-29-2004, 09:43 PM

Just putting in my 2 cents...My ranking dropped to a 3 from a 4 (was 5), some of my pages don't have a rank, and I went from 33 links to 119, a lot of them from my own site. I know my traffic has picked up lately, so I don't know what it all means.

minstrel · #5 (**permalink**) 11-29-2004, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by cbp

Google always seem to have trouble using the RDF dump from DMOZ. Its been reverting back and forward for a while now. The current version of Google Direcory is DMOZ >6 weeks ago... so is the PR displayed in the Directory.

One more reason to stop obsessing about DMOZ and whether or not your site is listed or why not.

Come to think of it, also one more reason to stop obsessing about PR.

TrafficProducer · #6 (**permalink**) 11-30-2004, 05:08 AM

Double Trouble, maybe...

Google have doubled the number of sites, pages, they list.

This may shake things up a bit...

cbp · #7 (**permalink**) 11-30-2004, 05:12 AM

The Directory has not doubled in size...its only just under 4.3 million sites.

CBP

TrafficProducer · #8 (**permalink**) 11-30-2004, 05:15 AM

From Google main page

©2004 Google - Searching 8,058,044,651 web pages

May be there directory stays the same, for now.

http://www.google.com/

cbp · #9 (**permalink**) 11-30-2004, 05:19 AM

This thread is about the Google Directory. You are talking about the Google Search Index, which has doubled in size.

CBP

sfowler · #10 (**permalink**) 11-30-2004, 05:26 AM

Since the Google directory comes from the DMOZ dump, there can not really be a connection between teh directory and the sites they index.

TrafficProducer · #11 (**permalink**) 11-30-2004, 05:44 AM

Yes, I'm talking about the Search Index.

The MSN update have shaken Google to increase this.

sfowler · #12 (**permalink**) 11-30-2004, 05:54 AM

Google's index was stuck for a long time at a value that was limited by the four byte index. I think they have only relatively recently updated the whole index to either five or six bytes. Six would be logical.

TrafficProducer · #13 (**permalink**) 11-30-2004, 06:29 AM

Assuming one byte is 256 bits, the general value.

256 to the power of 6 bytes = 2.81474977 × (10 to the power of 14) 281,474,977,000,000

May be this is to get ready for Internet 2 (Much Faster) http://www.acomputerportal.com/internet_2.html

DriWashSolutions · #14 (**permalink**) 11-30-2004, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by minstrel

One more reason to stop obsessing about DMOZ and whether or not your site is listed or why not.

Come to think of it, also one more reason to stop obsessing about PR.

Well, the directory listing has certainly affected my site's ranking, so as a webmaster, it concerns me. IYO, what SHOULD I be obsessing about?

The point is that G seems to have been waffling on the directory, and possible other factors as well. It took awhile for my site to drop back to the 90's from the 30's, but now we'll see if it makes it's way back to the 30's with the new directory update.

It appears to me that G has also been having trouble with the backlinks. I keep getting Alerts for links that are old, for which I have have seen Alerts in the past. In this last update, I went from 169 to 101 backlinks.

Everyone here says that backlinks with the keywords as anchor text is the best way to improve your placement. Well, riddle me this then BatMan: I have 4 times as many IBL's as the #1 position, with IBL's from Microsoft SBC, Yahoo Directory, Yahoo Shopping, Amazon, Shopping.com, and Froogle, yet my site dwells in the 80's for that keyword. I'm #1 for allinanchor: which tells me that the IBL's are not that important, but the directory listing certainly is.

sfowler · #15 (**permalink**) 11-30-2004, 10:47 AM

The present IP adresses are also 4 byte, which is why we have run out. Until somebody gets the new system implemented with 6 byte addresses we will continue to have all the problems caused by shared IP addresses etc. It has been in discussion for years, but will probably require major hardware updates everywhere.

gRF · #16 (**permalink**) 11-30-2004, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TrafficProducer

Assuming one byte is 256 bits...

Without assuming: 1 byte = 8 bits ;-)

sfowler · #17 (**permalink**) 11-30-2004, 02:32 PM

I don't quite know how, but the answer was right!

6 byte x 8 bit = 48 bit

2^48 = 2.8 x 10^14

whipnet · #18 (**permalink**) 11-30-2004, 03:35 PM

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May be this is to get ready for Internet 2 (Much Faster)

The Internet2 is in place for the most part. It's only available for mission critical applications and universities. Getting approved for it is not easy.

More info:
http://whiptech.com/computer.future/next.gen.html

Or
http://whiptech.com/computer.future/ for more future technologies.

csideas · #19 (**permalink**) 11-30-2004, 03:42 PM

I have noticed the same thing ... now I think I understand. I made some simple updates to my website last 2 weeks and went from #3 on google for money clips to #5, last week I made another update and went to #114 BAM! I have undone the changes and have not changed position at all.

4 Weeks ago my Backlinks were at 85. Then with the update, they went to 108. About 2 weeks ago, we moved to #3 (hooray) up from # 85.

Thanksgiving morning, I noticed we were not on the 1st page any more.

My backlinks have been updated again (the page is a PR5) to 600+ and I am still on page 11... and that is where I 'STUCK' was before the update a few weeks ago.

Then for thanksgiving holiday Banished again! (reminiscent of the Florida Update ... tears flowing)

I have agree something is up... FOR SURE!

teleconnect · #20 (**permalink**) 11-30-2004, 06:07 PM

[quote="cbp"]

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Anyone else experience this type of fluctuation?

Yes.
Google is acting in the same way it did last november 03... I have always been ranked in the top 6-8 for "business mailing lists" and "consumer mailing lists" and have been duped to page 3 now for 3-4 weeks, I do not know whats going on but google is doing something. Am top 6-7 under MSN and Yahoo, no changes there.

marty
teleconect.com

cbp · #21 (**permalink**) 11-30-2004, 06:22 PM

Just a reminder, that this thread is about a change/update in the Google DIRECTORY. Most of the recent replies above are talking about the Google SEARCH INDEX - they are 2 very different things (...funny how this always seems to happen - happens when discussing the Yahoo DIRECTORY as well).

CBP

teleconnect · #22 (**permalink**) 11-30-2004, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cbp

Just a reminder, that this thread is about a change/update in the Google DIRECTORY. Most of the recent replies above are talking about the Google SEARCH INDEX - they are 2 very different things (...funny how this always seems to happen - happens when discussing the Yahoo DIRECTORY as well).

CBP

CBP - where to we go to talk about the Google "Search Index" ? Marty Teleconnect, Inc.