Thoughts about the PR Economy

swampdeer · #1 (**permalink**) 11-16-2004, 08:25 AM

These are some thoughts I've had recently after reading some posts about "Limited PR Theory" and the doubling of the Google index.

With the recent rise in importance of inbound links in the latest Google algorithms webmasters have begun enormous link building campaigns, adding link directories to their sites, gaining reciprocal and triangular links etc. I've been thinking more and more about how PR has become a virtual commodity which has a real monetary value. If you look at the money markets, you find that traders can make millions of dollars on minor fluctuations in prices between different currencies. If this theory is applied to the economy of PR then it is plain to see that due to the irregular updates to PR a company could exploit the same principle e.g.

Firstly you buy links to your site (PR5) before a PR update.

Once the PR has risen (e.g to PR8), you cancel the links and sell sell sell preferably on 3 month or longer contracts, selling PR8 links to any takers until the next PR update where the site will fall again.

Link exchanging can also be affected by the same factors, ie you buy a couple of months worth of links, then when your PR has risen to 6, 7 or 8 you cancel the incoming links and trade links as fast as possible with PR6+ sites. By doing this in cycles you can easily increase your PR without having to pay too much.

Of course there may be people doing this already, but I've never seen it discussed and I'm sure that there are other ramifications such as, if you continue the analogy with the money markets, then Google has a license to print money, cause PR inflation etc etc.

Swampdeer
http://www.kamperhire.co.uk
http://www.youclaim.co.uk

cbp · #2 (**permalink**) 11-16-2004, 09:03 AM

You are assuming that PR is actually important for ranking...

CBP

Maximilian · #3 (**permalink**) 11-16-2004, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by swampdeer

With the recent rise in importance of inbound links in the latest Google algorithms webmasters have begun enormous link building campaigns, adding link directories to their sites, gaining reciprocal and triangular links etc. I've been thinking more and more about how PR has become a virtual commodity which has a real monetary value.

First off, swampdeer, welcome to WPW Discussion Forums.

Second, PR does not have much bearing, if at all, compared with inbound links to your website. For instance, I rank, in search result placement, above my competitors for popular generic keywords, yet their sites have both higher PR than my website & even have PPC ads for those same keywords, which I do not.

Money helps, but is not required to play the SEO game - such as the game of life itself.

I hope this helps.

Sincerely,
Max

swampdeer · #4 (**permalink**) 11-16-2004, 09:45 AM

I agree that PR has less importance at the moment, but people would still rather have their inbound link text coming from a PR8 site than a PR2 site.

It was just something I've been mulling around in my mind. I'd be interested to know if anyone is exploiting PR in this way though.

Thanks for your replies.

Swampdeer
http://www.kamperhire.co.uk
http://www.youclaim.co.uk

greeneagle · #5 (**permalink**) 11-16-2004, 09:56 AM

cbp:

"You are assuming that PR is actually important for ranking..."
__________

cbp
I have never seen a sight improve or fall in PR without SERPs following.

Is there really any room for "assumptions" therre?

Ken

nipplecharms1 · #6 (**permalink**) 11-16-2004, 10:46 AM

Ok batman, riddle me this....

I have taken the last day to catch up on some of these posts in the different forums. Some say PR is vital, some inbound links, some say hold everyone hostage and make them buy your stuff. (Ok, no one said that but seeing if you were paying attention.)

How do I, with a site that is a PR0 (online for about a month or so), talk sites into a link exchange with my site? We have begged, borrowed and stole to get links. A few PR1-2 sites have felt sorry and provided links.

Our site is sorta for the adult audience. So if you click on our link, fore warned. We sell body jewelry and most of them are modeled. That said we have had a hard time even in our genre.

I saw what SWAPDEER said about buying links. Other than we do not have the budget, my luck is I will get hooked up with someone that is just about to get banned by "Der GoogleBot"!

I did go the SEO freelance route on a different site I ran... got 3 pages from that site banned. I drank a lot that month.

Anyway, focus... sorry. If anyone has any thoughts on this, obtaining higher PR back links to a PR0 (new site), I am all ears!

GREENEAGLE - What do you mean here
"cbp
I have never seen a sight improve or fall in PR without SERPs following." SERP?

As always, thanks in advance!

Michael

sfowler · #7 (**permalink**) 11-16-2004, 11:23 AM

Start with directories. There are a number that take adult sites. This will at least get you off the floor.

nipplecharms1 · #8 (**permalink**) 11-16-2004, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by sfowler

Start with directories. There are a number that take adult sites. This will at least get you off the floor.

I guess i look them up on google? But i do not want to be catgorized with adult porn sites either. I am not in the market to trade human flesh... just to accessorize it! (sorry for the pun!)

Any other suggestions are welcome. And any pointers would be helpful also.

m

sfowler · #9 (**permalink**) 11-16-2004, 11:36 AM

You could take a look here: http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=21900

Maximilian · #10 (**permalink**) 11-16-2004, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by nipplecharms1

Any other suggestions are welcome. And any pointers would be helpful also.

Welcome to WPW Discussion Forums, nipplecharms1!

My first thought is to write articles on the "Downsides To Permanent Body Piercing", being sure to post a link to your site within the article "about the author" signature. There are many such high PR article submission sites, such as:

http://EzineArticles.com

Good luck - work smart not hard - unlike the objects of your wares. (smiling)

Cheers!
Max

nipplecharms1 · #11 (**permalink**) 11-16-2004, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Maximum-Beauty.com

My first thought is to write articles on the "Downsides To Permanent Body Piercing", being sure to post a link to your site within the article "about the author" signature. There are many such high PR article submission sites, such as:

http://EzineArticles.com

Good luck - work smart not hard - unlike the objects of your wares. (smiling)

Cheers!
Max

So you mean to write the article and then have it published on these sites? Ok, great idea. Thx Max.

Also SFOWLER - great re-post and thanks. Looks as tho I have my work cut out for me just adding to these links!

Many thanks so far.

michael

Firwefly · #12 (**permalink**) 11-16-2004, 01:51 PM

The validity of swampdeer's idea of trading PR doesn't depend on whether or not PR has an intrinsic value, merely on whether some others perceive it to have.

Maximilian · #13 (**permalink**) 11-16-2004, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by eSolutionsWork

The validity of swampdeer's idea of trading PR doesn't depend on whether or not PR has an intrinsic value, merely on whether some others perceive it to have.

Hi eSolutionsWork!

I do see your point on this issue of perception. Sometimes it weighs in more value than reality, thus becoming reality for some or many.

Cheers!
Max

greeneagle · #14 (**permalink**) 11-16-2004, 03:53 PM

nipplecharms1,

The other advice looks pretty savvy - but you hopefully know that it is better to moniter your SERPs than it is check "green bar" public PR!!!! Updates are almost daily there as opposed to quarterly!

Ken

nipplecharms1 · #15 (**permalink**) 11-16-2004, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by greeneagle

nipplecharms1,

The other advice looks pretty savvy - but you hopefully know that it is better to monitor your SERPs than it is check "green bar" public PR!!!! Updates are almost daily there as opposed to quarterly!

Ken

Dear Ken,

I do not have the Rosetta stone to any of your comments here. What advice is savvy?
SERP? Search engine rebound politeness?
"Green bar"? = A Ralph Nader establishment (US folks might get this one) Public PR?

What updates are done daily?

My GOD I have not struggled with a language in 20 years... but I am now!

Ok, now I do feel like an idiot! :()

m

sfowler · #16 (**permalink**) 11-16-2004, 05:27 PM

It means that your position in the Search Engine Results is more important than the PR value shown by the Google toolbar.

Let's put it into English:
Get links
Get more links
Get even more links
Make sure that your site is easy to navigate. Make sure it has what people are looking for.
Get enough text on your pages for the Search Engines to index.

greeneagle · #17 (**permalink**) 11-16-2004, 05:56 PM

Thanks sfowler.. never had a German Languange Primary do an English Translation for me before...
You are right on... but instead of anyone having to search a crossthread reference, I am going to post it in this thread also... forgive me if it peeves anyone, but this is going to be a predominant question ensuant to the marked increase in height for the "high jump" bar google just re-demarked:

Bleed your fingers here first:
http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=21900
Simon has done quite a bit of work and has most categorized and posted on his website.

Secondly go here to study News Release Writing:
http://www.prwebdirect.com/pressreleasetips.php

Thirdly go here for a list of News Release Agencies and Article Submission Sites (many are Free):
http://www.webworkshop.net/seoforum/...pic.php?t=3905

There is enough value in these links to smear it around a little... I hope.

Good Luck
Ken

**incrediblehelp** · #18 (**permalink**) 11-16-2004, 06:44 PM

nipples,

Writing articles is great, but starting a forum or blog on your website's subject will give you many IBL's without you having to chase to many websites down. Remember these ideas are only great if you give them time. Forums like WebProWorld and other were not built over night.

Of course I am trying to view your site and it would help if it loaded. It seems to be done now.

damarzee · #19 (**permalink**) 11-16-2004, 10:47 PM

In all the conversation about trading links with high PR sites, I often get confused when approached by a site that wants to entice me to trade links with their PR6 site, but the actual page where my link will be placed is a PR3 or less.

Which of these values does Google credit?..., the actual page I get listed on or the rank of the sites main page?

cbp · #20 (**permalink**) 11-16-2004, 11:47 PM

PR is per page, not per site. The PR of the page is the one that counts.

CBP

kservik · #21 (**permalink**) 11-17-2004, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by nipplecharms1

How do I, with a site that is a PR0 (online for about a month or so), talk sites into a link exchange with my site? We have begged, borrowed and stole to get links. A few PR1-2 sites have felt sorry and provided links.

First of all, get a working host. Your site didnt load when I tried it now. If Google gets the same experience, your site will never rank.