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[bloxar]

Originally Posted by CLBridges

Anyone have any ideas on how my site could show up in Yahoo without inbound links or having been submitted?

Carrie**

hi Carrie, what's your problem? I'm not quite sure.
If you do not submit your site manualy to Yahoo forget about to be indexed. Of course in USA you have to pay for it. But there is other's ways. I submited some sites in the Argentina yahoo (what at the moment is free) and then when search in the usa version my site appear listed ??? so tray tu submit your site in other yahoo's branch and see what happen it takes some time tu be indexed. Regarding your broken links, I thing you have to fix them, google index your site quikly if you are linked to other sites, of course this site ponting to you url have to be indexed by google first. There is a lot of things to do before submit your site to a search index. If you want any help, on the matter send me a message I will tell you how to do it and it's free, regards

Visit SOLO VENTA.com.ar and sell and by whatever you want!

[CLBridges]

Originally Posted by bloxar

Regarding your broken links, I thing you have to fix them, google index your site quikly if you are linked to other sites, of course this site ponting to you url have to be indexed by google first. There is a lot of things to do before submit your site to a search index. If you want any help, on the matter send me a message I will tell you how to do it and it's free, regards

Thanx for the offer hon, but I can handle that other stuff :) The thing is, it's not near finished, I had just started building it so didn't WANT anyone to visit until it was done and ready for public viewing.

Welcome to THE WORLD (WebProWorld that is!)

Carrie**

[greeneagle]

bloxar:
"If you do not submit your site manualy to Yahoo forget about to be indexed."
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Definitely not the case!
You do get better SERPs using paid submission though!, particularly for new Sites. Google has funneled quite a bit of revenue to Yahoo with their "Sandbagging" policy!

Ken

[google junky]

Originally Posted by thecat

why can they list a website on their search engine without permission from the website owner?

See if you find anything in this page that would backup whether they can or can't
http://assembler.law.cornell.edu/usc...2----000-.html

A couple of definitions before you read it.

Service provider.—
(A) As used in subsection (a), the term “service provider” means an entity offering the transmission, routing, or providing of connections for digital online communications, between or among points specified by a user, of material of the user’s choosing, without modification to the content of the material as sent or received.
(B) As used in this section, other than subsection (a), the term “service provider” means a provider of online services or network access, or the operator of facilities therefor, and includes an entity described in subparagraph (A).
(2) Monetary relief.— As used in this section, the term “monetary relief” means damages, costs, attorneys’ fees, and any other form of monetary payment.

There is one part about the Cache of material. I'm not a legal eagle by any means. Let me know how you read it.

[bloxar]

Originally Posted by greeneagle

bloxar:
"If you do not submit your site manualy to Yahoo forget about to be indexed."
____

Definitely not the case!
You do get better SERPs using paid submission though!, particularly for new Sites. Google has funneled quite a bit of revenue to Yahoo with their "Sandbagging" policy!

Ken

Hi ken,

I do agree with you, if you pay always get better service, specially with SE or hiring this service from someone specialist in that field. The thing was that I didn’t understand what Carrie** asked before. And I thought she or he was in trouble to submit a site to yahoo or google. I’m not English mother tongue and some time I don’t get the right point.

Greetings form the southern world.

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[DPAGuy]

This is a humerous thread indeed. Now if we could get some relevant SEO threads moving like this it would be awsome.

Let me opine. The web is a public forum and not owned by anyone. Without pulling out my reading glasses, recognize that independent bodies have been put in place to regulate and establish universal guidelines/rules.

You do not really own a domain name. You control it. Just as you "rent' space for hosting and connectivity. Like any property you control you have certain rights to protect your privacy, contents and interests.

However each of these rights requires you as the party of interest, considering you have purchased an option into a public forum, to take some form of action to protect your interet under the established guidelines/rules.

If your information is a "secret", however, the last thing you would want to do is place this information on a third party server for the sole purpose of displaying it in a public venue.

That is what an Intrenet or internal network is for. The internet is an open connection, inter-connectivity between many points freely accessed by any with a means to connect. The internet is nothing more than a public venue world wide. hence the www stands for World Wide Web.

Look at your domain name as a "long term lease" for whatever period your terms of purchased are. You have purchased a "lease". You will never fully own it, however you may control it for the remainder of your life.

Many of these issues get far deeper from branding to copy right etc. However, this is the bottom line for the average site owner.

Just some clarity for you as I would hate for original question to be left unanswered and I'm not up to reading three pages of responses.

[shifty]

ref the last remarks, probably because, if they approached google and said ..hey why are you using our images etc etc.....they would find themselves on page 204978684 of the listings within 48hrs..oops nothing to do with us say google.

the last i heard WWW stood for world wide web.. or the big page...on the street...the grapevine
i go with the....if you dont want it indexed..say so
and then if they do........sue them.



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[Fingers]

I can see law suits developing and being filed. This is the way of the world, sue and sue some more. If there is a slight chance of money being made from this, you can bet there will be sharks to take a bite.

I can see a very valid point someone made about the "Library". Libraries are public domains where works are indexed and freely available for "hire" by the public. BUT

This does not give me the right to hire 100000 books then copy the work word for word and publish it on an internet site called the "booklibrary.com" for e.g. Then start profiting from all the traffic such a site would bring. I think I would find myself in court as fast as you could say "what a bloody good idea!"

I am finding it difficult to see the difference as to what search engines do. Which is index copyright protected works then profit from the traffic, without giving the artist a royalty fee.

It will be interesting to see in years to come as to what comes out in the wash. One thing for sure is that the ball has begun to roll.

[kathleenitomic]

But the thing is that Google isn't profiting necessarily by putting your site in its index. Does it get paid to do that? No...

The other thing is that it's not simply duplicating heaps of sites' content... it's providing a snippet of text it grabs off the page. Then it references it directly to the original page. This would only be a problem if it was a) unclear whether the content was created by Google or the site, or b) unclear if the content was created by someone else or the original site.

I don't believe Google has broken any copyright laws. And I don't think you could get away with suing them for it.

And if you have a problem with it copying your site then don't allow it to. YOu have the choice. Perhaps it is a bit strange the way you have to opt-out.. but that's how it is.

[kathleenitomic]

Actually what Fingers (?) is saying makes sense but have a look at Amazon. With their 'search inside the book' facility & also their ability to let you preview pages of the book they are doing pretty much what Google is doing -> taking existing content onto their site and referencing the original. and when you think about it, Yeah the books' authors will be getting money for it. But so is your site (presumably) for being in Google.

Anyway I don't think we need to have a big cry about it. Unless it is costing you business or you have a real problem with it then I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about it - Yeah it is good to question and challenge people in power but I wouldn't think it would change anything in this case.

[Kellare]

Actually google does profit big time from including all those snippets of sites, maybe not directly but it wouldnt be in the position it's in if it didnt have links to most of the web, and while it's easily possible to stop the crawler looking at pages, since there are copyright laws, you shouldnt have to take additional action to prevent a law being broken.

Just because the information is viewable by everyone, it doesnt mean that anyone is allowed to reproduce that material and then display it in their own format without any express permission.

Additionally snippet of text displayed could essentially be anything, trademarks etc... which may require royalties to be paid every time it's used.

I can easily imagine some lawyer starting a class action against them, maybe anyone listing below page 3 would like to join ;)

[minstrel]

Good grief. I can not believe this thread is still running!

To reiterate:

1. Search engines index the web -- that's why the exist -- that's what they do -- ALL the web, except for pages they are specifically requested NOT to index (and that's a very easy thing to do)

2. Don't want people viewing your copy? Simple -- don't put it on the web. Or: password protect the site so only certain authorized people can view it (this will also prevent your site from being spidered too, by the way).

3. Want people to be able to view your pages but don't want them indexed by search engines? Also simple: create a robots.txt file which instructs spiders NOT to index the site. Of course, in all likelihood, this means that pretty much no one will ever know about your site except people you notify individually, so in practice it will be pretty much the same as option 2.

Please note: There are NO other options. And no... you will not be seeing class action suits against Google or Yahoo or MSN Search for indexing web sites -- just not gonna happen.

[kathleenitomic]

I'm with you Minstrel :)

[pedstersplanet]

Google started in 1998, Yahoo a couple of years earlier. People were egar to get their site listed, because they were new, people never thought about copyright, let alone courts!........

1. if you dont want to me listed or want your copy distributed, block the bots.... this goes for images too.

Simple.... Get over it.

[Fingers]

Minstrel and others, I am not sure how you come to such a cut and dryed answer to this, as there are so many different laws that can come into play with this.

I dont think that just beacause you are a search engine you become above the law. And there is no way that any search engine has automatic rights to all works, just beacuse it searches the internet.

Can I ask you Minstrel do you think that I have the right to copy works from a library and publish the copies on the internet?
If not, then please explain the difference between that and what a search engine is doing.

I by the way obviously dont want search engines to change and am pleased that they index my site. But this is a interesting topic.

[sfowler]

Since there is an alternative that can be easily implemented, I also feel it is fairly cut and dried. If you don't want your site indexed, then you just have to say so.

You also have the right to read the books in your library and you can print an index of them if you want. There is absolutely nothing to stop you. Provided you state source, you can also publish a decription of the books.

[Fingers]

Originally Posted by sfowler

Since there is an alternative that can be easily implemented, I also feel it is fairly cut and dried. If you don't want your site indexed, then you just have to say so.

You also have the right to read the books in your library and you can print an index of them if you want. There is absolutely nothing to stop you. Provided you state source, you can also publish a decription of the books.

Index and description, YES I agree. But the cashe is not a description, it is a facsimile.

Even if I provided the source I would still find myself in court if I made exact copies of books and published them.

[thecat]

Good grief. I can not believe this thread is still running!

To reiterate:

1. Search engines index the web -- that's why the exist -- that's what they do -- ALL the web, except for pages they are specifically requested NOT to index (and that's a very easy thing to do)

2. Don't want people viewing your copy? Simple -- don't put it on the web. Or: password protect the site so only certain authorized people can view it (this will also prevent your site from being spidered too, by the way).

3. Want people to be able to view your pages but don't want them indexed by search engines? Also simple: create a robots.txt file which instructs spiders NOT to index the site. Of course, in all likelihood, this means that pretty much no one will ever know about your site except people you notify individually, so in practice it will be pretty much the same as option 2.

Please note: There are NO other options. And no... you will not be seeing class action suits against Google or Yahoo or MSN Search for indexing web sites -- just not gonna happen.

THIS IS NOT THE DISCUSSION HERE!


everybody is confused,

This is for people that disagree with me.

"google has the legal right to use my content for its own gain."

People have posted: "Yes they do." but are not explaining why. apart from "the internet is a public medium"
Whoever said the internet is a public medium, (can you send me a link to the correct page which says this)
and to back this up you will need to post alink that in effect points to a page that states the laws of the internet for every country in the world.

People are say the internet is a public domian so in effect i can use any information i find on the internet as i see fit. Just as google does.

Google Robots downloads or retreves information from peoples websites.

So according to this rule: (that many people have made in this discustion)

if say, I download a new film/game/file from the internet this mean i can also use it how ever i wish.
"so long as i dont change the content"

file = html etc

google are downloading files to put on thier database. To make MONEY! not to be a public service.

They are using other peoples content to make money.


Mike i suggest contacting the people that own the rights to these images that google/news uses for free and ask them why they can do this,
perhaps they receive special ranking for their own businesses.


regards

thecat

AND PLEASE NO MORE REPLYS LIKE, "because they can"

[thecat]

Do I have to register my works to get a copyright?

No. Your work is protected by a copyright at the moment you create it in a tangible form (written copy, recorded music, filmed movie, digital data saved on a computer disk).

source:http://www.lawguru.com/faq/3.2.html

So if my work is copyrighted, how can an american company take my work and and publish elsewhere with out permission? Does this rule only apply to american sites or is it worldwide?

regards
thecat

[sfowler]

We do receive rankings for our sites. It is called the search index.

[thecat]

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