Does joining AdWords affect your Traditional Listings?

[londonlaunch]

Hi everyone

Has anyone carried out any significant research into whether joining AdWords affects your traditional results?

I am convinced that by joining Google AdWords, Google then automatically manipulates the traditional results to ensure those advertising do not appear on the same page. I think the reason for this is simple; so that they do not have two lots of the same result on one page.

It is VERY difficult to get a search result page up with both an AdWord and a traditional from the same company. Try it...

I have also noticed that by searching for a particular phrase, and then adding an obscure company name to your keywords from one of the AdWords displayed, makes that Adword dissapear and moves it to the traditional rankings.

I ask because since we joined Adwords a year ago, our traditional results have fallen dramatically and we now receive about 10% of the traffic we used to. I have tried in vain to recover the situation. We have a PR or 3 or 4 on our sites, we are text rich and use NO unethical promotional techniques. I am utterly confused as to why we are never appearing.

If anyone has done any further research on this I would appreciate it.

Kindest regards

Mark Westguard

[cbp]

We have had numerous threads on this. It has NO effect.

CBP

[londonlaunch]

But where is your evidence to support this? Could you point me in the direction of previous posts that have researched this fact?

I remain unconvinced.

I never see AdWords / Traditional having at least one similar company listed for 'general search phrases'.

Has anyone else experienced this?

Many thanks

Mark Westguard

[cbp]

1. Google have denied it. Why would they lie?

2. All my sites that have Adwords, still rank in the first couple of results in the normal search results for their main keywords.

CBP

[sudhani]

With CBP

Absolutely No Effect. And even I have some sites that rank well along with Adwords.

[londonlaunch]

Well, that is good to hear!

Would you be able to give me an example of where you are ranking highly and an AdWord also appears? Just so that I can convince myself?

[DriWashSolutions]

Originally Posted by cbp

1. Google have denied it. Why would they lie?

C'mon - get real. If you were doing something wrong, or even illegal, when someone outside of law enforcement asked you about it, would you fess up to them? C'mon. That's what lawyers are for, and why they're so rich.

Google would never say, "Oh, yeah, we're lowerering natural search results of our Adwords Advertisers - we do that so that we can keep our revenue up."

Please, that's a rediculous assumption "why would they lie". Because if they got caught, it could mean serious monetary penalty for them.

I'm in the same boat as the thread starter - I pay dearly for AdWords to get on that first page, and you know what? If I was on the first page of the natural results, I would certainly lower or eliminate my AdWords budget for that keyword, meaning less money going to Google.

[webmasterjunkie]

CBP Wrote

We have had numerous threads on this. It has NO effect.

He is 100% right.

Do a Google search for "my home's value". HouseValues.com is AdWords and has position 2. Granted the results aren't many, but it is a good search term - kinda.

[clasione]

I did some research on this also - I ran adwords for a couple months just to see if I could spot anything that suggested there was an effect....

I found nothing to suggest any effect....

[achronister]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...ts&btnG=Search

This one has an Adword listing, a Froogle listing, and the #2 spot. I have about 400 other ones if you really want them. It makes no difference.