top 5 - allintext: allintitle: allinanchor:

[wednesday]

Top 5 positioned in google in advanced search:
allintext: allintitle: allinanchor:

But in general search 100+

The site is in top 20,10,1 in yahoo, msn.

What do you think could be the problem.
Bad outgoing links, html validation (far away from perfect), or something else?

[DriWashSolutions]

I'm with ya martis - I'm #1 for: allinanchor, allintext and #8 for allinurl, and I'm 50+ for the same keyword. Seems like the backlink theory is out the window.

[MathsIsFun]

OK ... that is interesting ... same here.

#1 on anchor text but #220 on general search.

I have PR4, but #1 spot has PR5 and #2 has PR4, so I should be somewhere near the top.

So the penalty is for ... what? Only being 6mo old? Not yet being in DMOZ? (they said check back in 6 months - that is a lifetime for a web business)

One would naturally look for something to DO - so I will merrily add more content, get even more backlinks, and, ummm, hope.

[pne]

Guys,

With you all the way on this one. I'm 2, 2 and 2 for all the above yet 400-odd in SERPs, tho' top 5 in Yahoo!

I've got a theory that I'd like to run by you which I posted to a seperate thread yesterday,

"1. URL confusion. Mixture of yourdomain.com and www.yourdomain.com.

2. On internal links mixture of www.yourdomain.com/anypage and .../anypage.

3. When using session ids (e.g. for member login page) links can be generated with session id as suffix. This can, and has in my case, result in two copies of linked page in index.

4. Old, pre-launch copies of your site. In my case this is a site sitting on some free web space. No longer indexed by Yahoo!, Google still index it.

The problems in my view affext like this,

1. Duplicate content penalty.

2. Poor quality signal.

3. Duplicate content penalty.

4. Duplicate content penalty."

My view is that if you've got a mixture of the above you're going to get a serious spam penalty.

Any of this apply?

Regards,

pne

[DriWashSolutions]

Originally Posted by AvgJoe

Not yet being in DMOZ?

I doubt it - I think the DMOZ inclusion factor has been overrated. I'm in DMOZ, and it hasn't helped me gain a top 10. The top two sites for my KW are not listed in DMOZ.

BTW, I'm #1 for allintitle: as well!

[wednesday]

It seems that I have duplicate content. An ex dinamic site version.

So what should I do?
May I use 301. If the pages bla.php?blabla=789 are still active in the background. Or I should deactivate them and wait to be droped from the index?

[DriWashSolutions]

Originally Posted by pne

"1. URL confusion. Mixture of yourdomain.com and www.yourdomain.com.

Hmm. Do you mean in the coding of the pages or in the backlinks, or something else?

If I type either in G, the same page comes up, which is the current page for my site.

How does one differentiate between the two? In other words, mydomain.com and www.mydomain.com - where are they physically on my server?

I've not purposely set up these two, so they are both the same on G. How/where do I put in the redirect?

[wednesday]

1. URL confusion. Mixture of yourdomain.com and www.yourdomain.com.

Well, It would be an easy way to ban the competitors.
Don't you think? :))

[pne]

It's an internal link issue. www.yourdomain.com is a sub-domain of yourdomain.com. It's also a question of whether only one (www.) or both appear in the Google cache.

pne

[wednesday]

:)
How about the question about 301 above. Any suggestions?

[DriWashSolutions]

Originally Posted by pne

It's an internal link issue. www.yourdomain.com is a sub-domain of yourdomain.com. It's also a question of whether only one (www.) or both appear in the Google cache.

pne

So you're saying that any pages within my site should refer to "http://www.mysite.com" rather than "http://mysite.com"?

I just e-mailed my hosting service, and he said that the "www version" is an alias of the non-www version, and that cPanel handles it. He said a large number of sites use cPanel, and that he doubts google would penalize for this behaviour.

[crankydave]

So you're saying that any pages within my site should refer to "http://www.mysite.com" rather than "http://mysite.com"?

Either way. Whichever you use, be consistant.

Dave

[MathsIsFun]

Right on, cranydave, be consistent.

And don't refer to your front page as index.htm or index.php or whatever, just use "http://www.mysite.com/", so that you don't get a PR3 for "http://www.mysite.com/index.htm" and a PR0 for "http://www.mysite.com/"

But this allinanchor thing is interesting.

If we rank tops for allinanchor:keywords, this means we have done well in gathering IBLs with our anchor text. But we still don't do well for natural search.

So, something else is going on, any bright ideas?

pne has suggested something to do with dynamic sites - well mine is, so that may be a lead - does it only happen to dynamic sites?

[I am Nick]

Originally Posted by pne

Guys,

"1. URL confusion. Mixture of yourdomain.com and www.yourdomain.com.

2. On internal links mixture of www.yourdomain.com/anypage and .../anypage.

1. Duplicate content penalty.

2. Poor quality signal.

pne

Interesting, would you say that those .../anypage would be counted for as a http://yourdomain.com/anypage? If so failing on your point 2 would cause cause a domain confusion and a duplicated content penalty. Correct?

Would a 301 redirect provide a solution?

If I do a site:mydoamin.com and if I see no preversions may i assume Google are not indexing any?

Any where on Google I can read about this? I can not beleive they would penalize for any incoming link mixture.

I would be surprised if I am not failing on your point 2 above. However, it remains to be seen.

Thanks for your comments! / Nick

[pne]

Hi Guys,

The www.yourdomain.com/anypage and .../anypage is IMHO a quality signal not a duplicate content issue. I wouldn't do a 301 redirect, Google will pick it up in due course anyway and the 301 could royally screw your Yahoo! SERPs.

Similarly mixing yourdomain.com and www.yourdomain.com is something that Google will pick up on also. My suggestion is that you correct (internal linking structure) in any cases where this happens.

pne

[DriWashSolutions]

Originally Posted by AvgJoe

But this allinanchor thing is interesting.

If we rank tops for allinanchor:keywords, this means we have done well in gathering IBLs with our anchor text. But we still don't do well for natural search.

So, something else is going on, any bright ideas?

pne has suggested something to do with dynamic sites - well mine is, so that may be a lead - does it only happen to dynamic sites?

No - my site is not dynamic, and I have the same problem. There is something definitely going & IBL's are not the king anymore.

[wednesday]

Well something interesting.
I've lounched a new site. 50-60 pages. In fact the site ain't new at all. It is about 2 years old. Already listed at dmoz and google dir. And about 100-200 other incoming links. But the ex webmaster used cookies redirection to switch between 2 languages. So the site was not indexed by the search engines. Not a chance.

So, google ate the whole site at once. I love this game! :)

But few pages that were duplicated. In 2-3 business nights the duplicated pages were indexed.