Last changes in Google algorithm

[Pedro Rodriguez]

A complete change in algorithm of Google happened the 25 of August.

-Title < points
-Directories < points
-Inbound links >> points
-Anchor text >>points
-Same content in web of inbound links >>> points
-Density, Relevance and others in page text ~ points
-PR ???
-Etc.

Somebody knows well the details of change?

[ANGELSP]

The other day I talk with Sergi Brein and say it to me :
all the persons who link to your website will have a bonus extra in google searches

I think that you have to consider it

[theiceman]

The other day I talk with Sergi Brein and say it to me :
all the persons who link to your website will have a bonus extra in google searches


huh? say what?

ice

[cbp]

complete change in algorithm of Google happened the 25 of August.

I did not notice a difference then. What makes you think there was such a big change?

CBP

[iamrussell]

Originally Posted by Pedro Rodriguez

-Title < points
-Directories < points
-Inbound links >> points
-Anchor text >>points
-Same content in web of inbound links >>> points
-Density, Relevance and others in page text ~ points
-PR ???
-Etc.

What does any of this mean?

[incrediblehelp]

This thread is funny...this proves the overall need for some SEO forums to go bi-lingual or tri-lingual.

Maybe someone in Spain or France should consider making a popular forum for people that speak different languages.

Maybe they are already out there and I dont know of them, LOL

[MathsIsFun]

Yes, incrediblehelp, but it is only funny coz we haven't had clarification from the original posters.

There are two things here to clear up:

ANGELSP says "all the persons who link to your website will have a bonus extra in google searches" - it is only a matter of clearing up which DIRECTION he is talking about (and what the bonus is), so let us ask:

Please, ANGELSP, do you mean that if website "A" has a link that says "Click here to visit Website B", that Google will reward "A" for that link? We all believe that Google rewards "B", because "A" has recommended it.

IF you believe "A" is rewarded, then we should all have websites that look like directories. Please tell us more ANGELSP, coz I want to know.


And now, Pedro Rodriguez says:

-Title < points
-Directories < points
-Inbound links >> points
-Anchor text >>points
-Same content in web of inbound links >>> points
-Density, Relevance and others in page text ~ points
-PR ???
-Etc.

By that I think he means the Title has LESS importance now, Anchor Text has a LOT more importance, and PR has an unknown influence, and so on

I believe he has thrown out a challenge for us to discuss the issue, am I right Pedro?

[wlodi]

Originally Posted by ANGELSP

The other day I talk with Sergi Brein and say it to me :
all the persons who link to your website will have a bonus extra in google searches

I think that you have to consider it

hahahaha!

great response to this post.
in fact, I spoke to Larry Page recently and better rankings will also work for everyone linking to my site ;-)

cheers,

wlodi

[Pedro Rodriguez]

And now, Pedro Rodriguez says:

-Title < points
-Directories < points
-Inbound links >> points
-Anchor text >>points
-Same content in web of inbound links >>> points
-Density, Relevance and others in page text ~ points
-PR ???
-Etc.
By that I think he means the Title has LESS importance now, Anchor Text has a LOT more importance, and PR has an unknown influence, and so on

I believe he has thrown out a challenge for us to discuss the issue, am I right Pedro?

_____________________________________

These facts have been perfectly visible until today 23 Sep.

If you have done the same searches for the same words every day, you will have been able to observe the previous data.
In fact, for certain common keywords (travel, medicine, and others) important Directories like Hispavista, Yahoo, Ya, etc. lost many positions which have begun to recover 23 today.

The analysis and the estadistic do not fail!

[cbp]

The analysis and the estadistic do not fail!

There have been no major changes for the k2ywords I monitor. Please explain why you think there has been a major change in the Google algorithm.

There was a minor shuffle in the SERP's in the last 24 hours and periodically for a long time, but I fail to see how you can claim this as an algorithm change. Google have probably just incorporated new data (ie updated PR and backlinks internally) - that has nothing to do with changing the algorithm.

CBP

[loflyn]

I have been looking through various forums to see what others believe is going on with Google. As of August 24 the traffic our site receives from Google dropped to 1/4 previous traffic. It is a retail site so this is dramatic and results in low sales. We have been ranked very well in Google for the past 3 years and had many top placements. Now keywords we had number one spots have vanished from the search. While the URL's for these items remain the Header and the text snipets have seemed to vanish. Page rank has not changed and we still get the Google spiders daily as before. In checking other major traffic sites they all seem to suffer the same problem but to a lesser degree. this includes Amazon.com. Does anyone have any insight as to what is happening?

[incrediblehelp]

Originally Posted by loflyn

I have been looking through various forums to see what others believe is going on with Google. As of August 24 the traffic our site receives from Google dropped to 1/4 previous traffic. It is a retail site so this is dramatic and results in low sales. We have been ranked very well in Google for the past 3 years and had many top placements. Now keywords we had number one spots have vanished from the search. While the URL's for these items remain the Header and the text snipets have seemed to vanish. Page rank has not changed and we still get the Google spiders daily as before. In checking other major traffic sites they all seem to suffer the same problem but to a lesser degree. this includes Amazon.com. Does anyone have any insight as to what is happening?

Can you give some more insight on what your keywords and which of you pages are dropping or even what are the specfics of the competing websites that seem to be replacing you?

[loflyn]

Do a search in google for site:www.team-performance.com,
Look at the results with no headers or text.

Do a search in Google for Mr Gasket Carburetor Linkage. We used to be #1, we are now #2. Our competitors are now # 1 and #3 with header matches. Our listing is minus the text.

Another example:
search for Surco Safari Rack. Team used to be #1 it now is #6. The current #1 used to be #2. The #3 didn't show up in the top 10.

Another example:
search Suburban K1500 grille Guards
April of last year we were #1. We are now #8 and again no text only the URL.

[effisk]

Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

Maybe they are already out there and I dont know of them, LOL

bingo ! ;)

[randfish]

Pedro is probably right on one account - many people noticed larger than usual swings in SERPs on Aug. 25.

There's still a running post about them at seochat.

I think his < and >> are meant to show that a certain item gained or lost value in the algo, but he's the only one I've seen with such specific data.

Without some hard evidence or an ongoing test project to show this, it's hard to believe...

My hypothesis, however, is that the algo itself is changing constantly, a little bit at a time. I always see SERPs moving up a position, swapping spots, etc. and while the top 10-20 remain very consistent, the rest of the sites are in a state of flux, even from day to day.

[Pedro Rodriguez]

Finally somebody observes something that was absolutely evident from 25 August to yesterday.

Is necessarie to note, it has only visible at great sites, Web Autorities, Big Directories and similar.

For example, I control a big directory (f.e. yellow pages?) with more 2000 categorias, more 2 million registries and more 14 K regular daily visits.
After day 25 of August lost near 40 % traffic I deal, which we are beginning to recover slowly from yesterday.

That it has happened in Google? Change in algo? Change only for some areas or topics? I Not sure it, nevertheless we have made test during the 25 last days, and it is evident we find very anormal result. Pages in #1 with titles as "Home" and similar. Pages without relevance. Pages whith anormal URL, etc, etc, etc.

As far as the signs < and > , certainly mean less and more score within the global position assigned to the page.
I have not wanted to quantify with numeric data those because they will be necessarie more test and the experiences of others guys so that will be scientific data.

[G00GL3R]

say wha'..?

[jackson992]

There is abosultely no truth that the title is being weighed any less. I have been fixing mine and all the pages have gone up. I do think backlinks are messed right now as I had one site go from close to 1000 down to 48

[LinkMaster]

Originally Posted by ANGELSP

The other day I talk with Sergi Brein and say it to me :
all the persons who link to your website will have a bonus extra in google searches

I just had lunch with Larry Page and Sergey Brin today, and they both promised me that anyone who links to my website will get an immediate boost in their Google ranking.

[ADAM Web Design]

Originally Posted by LinkMaster

I just had lunch with Larry Page and Sergey Brin today, and they both promised me that anyone who links to my website will get an immediate boost in their Google ranking.

You had lunch with them yesterday too, eh? They must be really hungry people. I had lunch with them. Isn't that the most incredible BS...er...thing you've ever heard?

Now here's what LP (you don't ever refer to Larry Page by his full name...that's a sin) and Sergey hooked me up with.

Title tag: <> = points
Meta Description tag: <> = points
Directories: <> = points
Inbound Links: <> = points
Anchor Text in Inbound Links: <> = points
Keyword density, relevance: <> = points
DMOZ listing: <> = points
Google Adwords purchasing: <> = points
Number of animals innocently hurt or killed in the making of website: <> = points
Picking up the cheque for Sergey and LP: <> = points

Okay, what does all of this mean? It means that anyone who claims to talk to the Google execs didn't talk to the Google execs. Sorry, ANGELSP, but you're selling a bill of goods.

Anyway, I just found that an incredibly amusing thing to read.

[effisk]

Originally Posted by ADAMWebDesign

anyone who claims to talk to the Google execs didn't talk to the Google execs.

What? Are you serious?
What a scoop!
;)

[greeneagle]

The only thing I changed for one client in the last month + was the addition of an "H1" header on the home page and it made a world of relevancy difference in the Site traffic.

Ken

[ADAM Web Design]

Originally Posted by effisk

What? Are you serious?
What a scoop!
;)

Hi ho, this is Kermit...theeee...Frog here with another fast-breaking news story!

[janeth]

I did not have lunch with Larry Page (LP) or Sergey Brin. But we have been doing some testing this week. What we have seen is anyone that links to my site, from every page on there site gets a boost in there ranking. But the link needs to be at the top of every page for this to work and needs to be in <h1> tags with bold text. (-;

I hope this helps.

[GiftsForYouBiz]

Y'all are crazy!! I was gonna say that they gave me the algo end of last month and I've had it in a coffee can ever since. But I'm not gonna say that now 'cause y'all are crazy!!

:)

[Pedro Rodriguez]

Title tag: <> = points
Meta Description tag: <> = points
Directories: <> = points
Inbound Links: <> = points
Anchor Text in Inbound Links: <> = points
Keyword density, relevance: <> = points
DMOZ listing: <> = points
Google Adwords purchasing: <> = points
Number of animals innocently hurt or killed in the making of website: <> = points
Picking up the cheque for Sergey and LP: <> = points

Title tag: = points |??? True & False
Meta Description tag: = points | True Directories: = points | False
Inbound Links: = points | More time for be True
Anchor Text in Inbound Links: = points | True
Keyword density, relevance: = points | False. More low density now
DMOZ listing: = points | True
Google Adwords purchasing: = points | False
Picking up the cheque for Sergey and LP: = points True. Ha, ha, ha...That likeable

Please, if you save your test, review the results for best important sites and directories and compare from end Augost to the date. After, post it here in the forum.

[effisk]

this looks like hebrew to me.
what do you mean ?

[GiftsForYouBiz]

Originally Posted by Pedro Rodriguez

Title tag: = points |??? True & False
Meta Description tag: = points | True Directories: = points | False
Inbound Links: = points | More time for be True
Anchor Text in Inbound Links: = points | True
Keyword density, relevance: = points | False. More low density now
DMOZ listing: = points | True
Google Adwords purchasing: = points | False
Picking up the cheque for Sergey and LP: = points True. Ha, ha, ha...That likeable

I believe Pedro is trying to analyze what counts and what doesn't count in the Google algo.

Uncertain: Title tag
Uncertain: Inbound Links

Counts: Meta Description tag
Counts: Anchor Text in Inbound Links
Counts: Picking up the cheque for Sergey and LP
Counts: DMOZ listing

Doesn't Count: Directories
Doesn't Count: Keyword density, relevance
Doesn't Count: Google Adwords purchasing

Personally, I think they all count; for varying search engines and varying reasons throughout. They all have some meaning somewhere.

[incrediblehelp]

They all do count, just at different values and at different times during the month/year. I personally think that Google algo does constantly change as in a "check and balance" state. Consistency in any search algo would eventually be easy to manipulate.

[MathsIsFun]

You know, I am sure that a really good set of experiments could uncover exactly how Google plays with it's algorithm.

Something along the lines of the nigritude ultramarine game.

Pick some unusual keywords and create a few dozen pages, each with different settings. Some could use the words in the title, others in the text, some a lot and some just once. Other pages could have inbound links with the keywords, and so on.

We could then simply look at which site gets #1, #2 and so on.

The experiment would have to be put together with some care, though.