No Backlinks but PR5

resource-expert · #1 (**permalink**) 09-14-2004, 08:08 AM

How is it that sites with NO backlinks end up having decently high page ranks. For example:
http://www.firstcallmechanical.com/
Has a PR5.
How does this happen guys?

janeth · #2 (**permalink**) 09-14-2004, 09:39 AM

Google does not show all the backlinks.

Try @www.yourwebsite.com and see what you get.

satya-tlb · #3 (**permalink**) 09-14-2004, 10:29 AM

It has gained PR5 because a high PR page http://www.ashwebstudio.com/v4/portfolio.php is linking to http://www.firstcallmechanical.com/ . Google blindfolds actual worthy links, you can check it at Yahoo.

homenotion · #4 (**permalink**) 09-14-2004, 02:14 PM

How does site relevancy fit into this equasion?

If www.ashwebstudio.com (website design) gained high ranking by linking to www.firstcallmechanical.com (commercial heating and AC contractor) then how does site relevancy fit into the equasion as neither of
these sites have like topics.

I've always heard that you should link to 'like sites' to obtain link credit and in this case these sites are not similar at all.

It appears that as long as you are located on the
page with high PR then it doesn't matter if the site topics are the same. Perhaps if you are buried on a links page then relevancy matters?

Can someone explain?

Thanks,
Elizabeth

jpatriar · #5 (**permalink**) 09-14-2004, 05:47 PM

Hi Everyone,

The articles I receive from you guys are excellent.
I did a site for my sister's laundermat business
http://townline.topcities.com back in 1999-2000. Back then I didn't even know what SEO, page rank or linking was. The original site had little content and no in/out links that I was aware of. Yet her page rank is 2 according to the Google Tool Bar. This past summer I redid it since she was comming up at or near the top for the search term wash dry fold laundry in both Google and Yahoo.

However, I'm still a little confused on page rank though. Is that just another way of indicating where a site appears in the results that a SE displays when a particular search term is Queried?

Thanks
J

cbp · #6 (**permalink**) 09-14-2004, 06:33 PM

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How does site relevancy fit into this equasion?

Relevancy has nothing to do with PR.

CBP

TechEvangelist · #7 (**permalink**) 09-14-2004, 07:26 PM

You are wasting your time if you focus too much on PR. All it takes to get a PR of 6 is to have a site with a PR of 7 link to you. And that does not mean that you will rocket to the top of the SERPs.

Focus more on link popularity. Get as many quality links as you can to a site. That will affect your rankings much more.

G's backlinks are currently pretty messed up. I've got several sites with a PR of 0 showing up in my backlinks, and many high PR sites have recently disappeared from the backlinks.

cbp · #8 (**permalink**) 09-14-2004, 07:39 PM

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Focus more on link popularity

Huh? PR is link popularity !!!

Quote:

Get as many quality links as you can to a site. That will affect your rankings much more.

Only if all the links contain your keywords in the anchor text of the links (= build your relevancy score) otherwise the link just counts to PR

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G's backlinks are currently pretty messed up

Huh? They are not messed up - they are exactly how Google want them to be presented (and how GoogleGuy announced they would) ie a random sample of sites acros the PR spectrum

CBP

TechEvangelist · #9 (**permalink**) 09-15-2004, 11:57 AM

I disagree that PR is link popularity, and I understand that there are multiple schools of thought on this subject. It is not difficult to obtain a high PR. You can get a high PR from a single high PR backlink. You can also have a low PR with a large number of links from low PR sites. A high PR link will not necessarily rocket a site to the top. From my experience, the more quality links that you have, the better the boost that you get.

I define a quality link as a link from an industry-related site WITH your keywords in the link, so I think we are in complete agreement on that.

Didn't see the GoogleGuy announcement. A random sampling probably makes more sense than the old method of only displaying higher PR links.

oceanmajk · #10 (**permalink**) 09-17-2004, 03:09 PM

I've had a site flaloans.net for a couple of years now. Google has barely indexed any of the pages, compared to how yahoo has indexed it, and I have tweaked it over and over forever, improving individual pages for different types of mortgage keywords. Althought I can't seem to get up there in rankings for seriously competitive keywords such as "mortgage", I am ranked pretty well for different keywords starting with "florida". I have had virtually no backlinks or links out to other sites and have a PR of 5. I think it has to do with the quality of your site and the amount of information you have on it, not necissarily how many other people with higher PRs are linking to you.