Poor pagerank on auto submition tools?

[realestate4sale]

I have submitted half of my site using Web CEO. Before I used Web CEO I had a pagerank of 3 on most of my pages. Since then I now show a pagerank of 0 on most of the pages that I submitted using Web CEO. I also have dupicate content that I can't avoid because of my hosting service (1and1.com). Am I being penalized for dupicate content or am I being penalized for using Web CEO? Is there anyway to fix this? Once penalized is there any way to get un-penalized?

Any insight into this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

http://www.pro-local.com/

[cbp]

Google specifcally advise against autosubmission in their guidelines --> so you could get penalised for this.

Google specifcally advise against duplcate content in their guidelines --> so you could get penalised for this.

BUT, you got PR4 and our PR0 pages I checked are listed in Google, so no penalty yet.

Is there anyway to fix this? Once penalized is there any way to get un-penalized?

Stop submitting and get rid of the dupilicate content.

CBP

[realestate4sale]

Cpb thanks for getting back to me so fast! I have read that Google will just ignore one domain if they see dupicate content, is this true?

Thanks for the help Cpb!

[cbp]

I have read that Google will just ignore one domain if they see dupicate content, is this true?

Usually.

CBP

[rlrouse]

I have read that Google will just ignore one domain if they see dupicate content, is this true?

CBP

And sometimes they'll ignore the domain that you prefer to have indexed and ranked.

[mtheory]

Originally Posted by realestate4sale

I have submitted half of my site using Web CEO. Before I used Web CEO I had a pagerank of 3 on most of my pages. Since then I now show a pagerank of 0 on most of the pages that I submitted using Web CEO. I also have dupicate content that I can't avoid because of my hosting service (1and1.com). Am I being penalized for dupicate content or am I being penalized for using Web CEO? Is there anyway to fix this? Once penalized is there any way to get un-penalized?

Any insight into this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

http://www.pro-local.com/

I'm curious. How is your host causing duplicate content you can't avoid.

I use 1and1 and haven't encountered that problem.

[whipnet]

As a web host, I have copies of all pages on staging servers as well. However, none of this is allowed to be indexed. If you are concerned about this, you should ask them.

However if the engines were to index those servers, I would assume it would drop my listing, and not the true domain. Guessing here of course...

[Conficio]

Hi all,
I'd say common sense tells us, that one duplicate should not penalize you. There are many servers out there that do post the very same mail archives etc. and they do not get penalized.

However, the folks that do just hundreds of copies, are really spamming the user of any search engine.

I also never understand why people do submit on a page basis. Google (and others) spiders your site, meaning they find all pages by themselves. Build a good site-index page and submit this one for a fairly static site. If you have some pages that are highly dynamic (news pages that change more than once a week), than submit this one too. Good spiders and the clustering algorithms of search engines do the rest.

Actually you do not need to submit at all, they find you from the inbound links.

Good luck

K<o>

[Webnauts]

Do you all mean here, that Google or other engines don't like submissions done for example with: http://www.freewebsubmission.com/ ?

[cbp]

Do you all mean here, that Google or other engines don't like submissions done for example with: http://www.freewebsubmission.com/ ?

Its not necessarily a matter of not like them - its a matter of the Google Guidelines explicitly saying:

Don't use unauthorized computer programs to submit pages, check rankings, etc. Such programs consume computing resources and violate our terms of service. Google does not recommend the use of products such as WebPosition Gold™ that send automatic or programmatic queries to Google.

I also don't know why people still continue to auto or manual submit anyway - IT DOES NOT HELP !!!!

CBP

[deluxar]

Hi Mtheory, good to find another one use 1and1 as hosting too. Do you find their hosting server stable and reliable?

I noticed couple times, at least once a week that my hosting server was down. It could go down for 15min to 30min. I'm really thinking of switching to another hosting company. Which plan do u use btw?

thanks,
deluxar

[StuW]

[quote="cbp"]

I have read that Google will just ignore one domain if they see dupicate content, is this true?

I have two websites, both nearly identical in content. One has a lot of graphics, colorful and all and the other was developed after some critical remarks from this forum about all the colorful stuff. So I developed a second site with much the same material, but nearly graphic free after the index page. Both sites have a Google PR4 on virtually all the pages. Googlebot has either missed the similarities or is ignoring them.

[GSO]

The rule of thumb is no more than one per month per domain. If your listed on any of the major search engines don't submit at all. According to my access logs I have daily visits from bots and I do not submit except to a new search engine. Bots can recognize duplicate content meant for a purpose i.e. for the disabled, framed and no frames, text and graphical versions and will not penilize you and soon they will reward you for meeting disability standards.

[GSO]

When I wrote that if you are listed on a major search engine then do not submit to that search engine unless you have made major changes in the content of your site. They will schedule periodic crawls and if you bug a bot they may not return.

[AzGoldPros]

Just a comment as most have responded properly to the question. Would someone please buy a dictionary for the writer of this subject line. The word is submission, not submition. Just a note on grammar so our society does not fall into utter chaos, lol.

[cbp]

The rule of thumb is no more than one per month per domain.

Where does that come from? If you are not listed in search engines submitting will not help. It may even harm you, in the sense that wasting time doing it will take you away from activities that really do help.

then do not submit to that search engine unless you have made major changes in the content of your site.

Thats simply not true - search engines will pick up the changes when they are good and ready, regardless of submitting, so its a waste of time.

CBP

[arpecop]

webceo is not reason for this problem
but the problem in webceo is that it submit sites in Major search engines
Duplicating content is also problem. why you don't make just visual changes when you want to make "volume" your site. I do not recomend anybody dublicating content

sorry for bad english

[alienzhavelanded]

Duplicate content WILL get you penalized by Google, as has already been posted. I can add to that chorus because Ive seen it happen.

Automatic or frequent submissions are a waste of time. Submit your main domain ONCE when you first build it if you feel you must, but for the most part, you will never have to submit because the spiders will find you regardless. I think many people dont realize how smart spiders are these days, especially the major ones like Googlebot.

And if youre actually paying good money for ridiculous software like Web CEO, etc ...wake up and smell the coffee.

I use 1and1 for one of my sites, and have had no problems. Would be bad for them and business if a webmaster was forced to deal with duplicate content they couldnt remove, so this makes no sense.

[hugoguzman]

listen to cbp:

SUBMITTING TO SEARCH ENGINES IS ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY USELESS. Google, Yahoo, MSN, etc.. have robots/spiders that will index your site content on a regular basis (Googlebot indexes my site as much as 150 times per day for my more established sites) as long as you have some potent backlinks pointing to your domain.

Don't waste your time with "submission". I am 100% sure about this. In fact, this is one of the only SEO aspects that I am 100% sure of.

[Sabo]

Originally Posted by cbp

I also don't know why people still continue to auto or manual submit anyway - IT DOES NOT HELP !!!!

CBP

Manual submit every month each of our sites does not help?

I don't get this, this is really confusing.

So if my site appears in Google or Yahoo in the top 10 with the keywords I'm looking for, I don't need to resubmit every month my site?

The resubmit every month applys only for pages or sites that doesn't appear in the search engine?

[cbp]

We have had numerous thead on this. Submitting to search engines, manually or automatcally is a total waste of time. I have not done that for any new or changed site for several years now. It just does not help at all.

If you paid money for a submission service, you have been scammed.

If you have a page or site not in a SE, submitting it will not help, you need links to it for the bots to find it.

Think about it for a minute - if submitting did help, we would all be doing it madly and overwelhming the SE's with bandwidth ... they don't want that. Search engines want to rank sites based on relevance and importance .... submitting frequently has nothing to do with relevance or importance.

CBP

[alienzhavelanded]

Manual submit every month each of our sites does not help?

No.

I don't get this, this is really confusing.

Whats confusing about it?

So if my site appears in Google or Yahoo in the top 10 with the keywords I'm looking for, I don't need to resubmit every month my site?

What makes you think you have to once youre listed? Thats the point of the spiders.

The resubmit every month applys only for pages or sites that doesn't appear in the search engine?

You shouldnt resubmit anything, the spiders and their respective search engines know youre there.

[Sabo]

Thank you guys for your answers.

I was talking about confusing because in some forums talked about webmasters submiting their site once a month because there were changes in the site. But now I know there no need too.

Thanks again.