Doing great in Yahoo - Crappy in Google

upperhand · #1 (**permalink**) 08-17-2004, 09:17 PM

I know that they obviously use different algorithms, however one of the domains I'm taking care of (www.ideal21.com) is doing pretty well under my targeted keywords on Yahoo, but is nonexistent on Google. I have plenty of backlinks established. I'm thinking something must be going on that's making Google brush me off. There are two domains, www.ideal21.com and www.idealtwentyone.com. For a while I had both hosted seperately without a forward, but about two months ago I decided to just change the www.idealtwentyone.com domain to a forward since I was building the backlinks to the ideal21.com site.

I have about 8 domains running from the same IP. Could this be the cause? Any ideas? I'm doing something right with Yahoo, but everything wrong with Google, which is strange, since I've typically been able to do quite well on both with other sites.

Thanks in advance for any comments or input!

OtitO · #2 (**permalink**) 08-17-2004, 09:39 PM

Hello upperhand,
Google does not like duplicate sites and they mention this on their guidelines page. You were probably penalized for that.
http://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html

jacobwissler · #3 (**permalink**) 08-18-2004, 12:05 PM

I agree, but it appears to me that Yahoo is more picky about duplicate content than Google.

greeneagle · #4 (**permalink**) 08-18-2004, 04:52 PM

For what ever reason YAHOO seems to be edging in lately. I have one client Site where YAHOO continually beats the daylights out of GOOGLE in the Stats, SERPs and targeted traffic delivery. I have heard this phenomenen reported several times recently.

Ken

jackson992 · #5 (**permalink**) 08-18-2004, 06:58 PM

Same here Greeneagle. Now if we could just get Yhoo to update faster:)

upperhand · #6 (**permalink**) 08-19-2004, 12:35 PM

Hi Guys,

Yeah, I know that the SE´s don´t like dup sites, however I thought that they would only penalize one of them (when you have two of the same sites). Also, about a month and a half ago or so I went back into the server and changed the setup to just have the idealtwentyone.com domain be a domain forward to ideal21.com - this won´t hurt me will it?

greeneagle · #7 (**permalink**) 08-19-2004, 01:05 PM

It also seems that sites doing better in Yahoo do better in MSN!

Ken

jackson992 · #8 (**permalink**) 08-19-2004, 05:22 PM

well MSN is still powered by Yahoo isn't it?

smakyyy · #9 (**permalink**) 08-20-2004, 03:28 PM

Yes - MSN is powered by Yahoo for now till they come up wioth their new search which is still in beta.

crashingflwrgrl · #10 (**permalink**) 08-22-2004, 06:23 PM

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It also seems that sites doing better in Yahoo do better in MSN!

It's true. I've noticed this with my site as well. Now if Google would just come around...

cyanide · #11 (**permalink**) 08-22-2004, 07:07 PM

As OtitO has mentioned, you probably have had some type of penalty from google. Only the home page of ideal21.com is indexed in google, compared to a dozen or so in yahoo

fathom · #12 (**permalink**) 08-23-2004, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by upperhand

Hi Guys,

Yeah, I know that the SE´s don´t like dup sites, however I thought that they would only penalize one of them (when you have two of the same sites). Also, about a month and a half ago or so I went back into the server and changed the setup to just have the idealtwentyone.com domain be a domain forward to ideal21.com - this won´t hurt me will it?

You have "likely" fixed your penalty problems (if they existed at all) and it will be 30, 60 or 90 days for Google to credit your work since the other domains have been forwarded.

However, the new changes may have induced a new problem if just forwarded and not a permanent 301 re-direct.

If you had a penalty Google doesn't credit pages to the domain (they are like -- not there) by removing the duplicate site and forwarding at the same time - Google can (without knowing) start crediting some pages to one domain and some to the other making your website fragmented.

With a 301 redirect Google is forced to credit all pages to a single domain.

Kenai Alaska · #13 (**permalink**) 08-23-2004, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by greeneagle

For what ever reason YAHOO seems to be edging in lately. I have one client Site where YAHOO continually beats the daylights out of GOOGLE in the Stats, SERPs and targeted traffic delivery. I have heard this phenomenen reported several times recently.

Ken

We have been noticing this for about two months. The two sites we were tracking both rank equally well in both but yahoo is definitely growing more popular at least in the sports market. MSN has always been a big player within this college sports group.
Starting in mid June, the movement by Yahoo has been more than just noticeable. Both sites rank very high but have virtually no competition for the key words.