Contact Us Forum Rules Search Archive
WebProWorld Part of WebProNews.com
Page One Link To Us Edit Profile Private Messages Archives FAQ RSS Feeds  
 

Go Back   WebProWorld > Search Engines > Google Discussion Forum
Subscribe to the Newsletter FREE!


Register FAQ Members List Calendar Arcade Chatbox Mark Forums Read

Google Discussion Forum Google Discussion forum is for topics specifically related to Google. There is a subforum dedicated to AdSense/AdWords subjects.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 08-01-2004, 11:35 AM
WebProWorld Member
 

Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 58
Daniel Brandt RepRank 0
Default Google defuses a Google bomb

I think I'm the first person who has had a Google bomb defused by Google.

First, some background. Google says they don't alter their algorithms. And they also say that Google bombs are harmless.

_________________

"Craig Silverstein, Google's director for technology, says the company sees nothing wrong with the public using its search engine this way. No user is hurt, he said, because there is no clearly legitimate site for 'miserable failure' being pushed aside. Moreover, he said, Google's results were taking stock of the range of opinions that are expressed online. 'We just reflect the opinion on the Web,' he said, 'for better or worse.' " -- International Herald Tribune, December 9, 2003

_________________

"Google Inc., the leading Internet search engine, said Monday that it had no plans to alter its search results despite complaints that the first listing on a search for the word "Jew" directs people to an anti-Semitic Web site.

...

"The company, which is based in Mountain View, Calif., said it had no plans to remove the site from the search results list because it trusts its automated program to rank Web sites accurately. The search engine has been listing "Jewwatch.com" as the first-ranked site for three years.

...

" 'We find this result offensive, but the objectivity of our ranking function prevents us from making any changes,' said David Krane, a spokesman for Google, adding that an exception is made only in cases where a site is illegal." -- New York Times, April 13, 2004

__________________

I believe that the situation is quite different from what Google claims. It looks to me like Google hacked their algorithm so that when the word "executives" appears with the word "touch" in front of it in the search box, then Google's page at www.google.com/corporate/execs.html is desensitized and will not appear in the results.

Contrast this with using "touch google executives," where the word executives is not preceded by the word "touch." The results haven't changed. And instead of using "executives," use the word "management." This is a collateral effect of my original "out-of-touch executives" bomb, as the New York Times pointed out on June 25. Note that the rankings are still very high for all variations of "touch" with "management." Google defused "executives" but they forgot to defuse "management."

As far as I can tell, it's only when the word "executives" appears with the word "touch" in front that Google's page drops out. I think it's a hand tweak. Last week I considered the possibility that it dropped out due to some spam filter. But I doubt this now, because there has not been the sort of upheavel in the results during the last few weeks that would be evident by now, if something as dramatic as what happened to "executives" was happening across the entire index for certain keywords.

Other bombs are working fine -- "miserable failure" is still working, and so is "french military victories." Why is it that the word "executives," when preceded by the word "touch," is so toxic in terms of its ability to produce Google's page? This happened suddenly about three weeks ago, after spending a solid four months at the number one spot.

Here's a real-time look at the current rankings (within the top 100) for various search terms in Google and Yahoo. The Yahoo rankings still look the way Google used to look -- number one almost all the way for everything. Doesn't it seem suspicious?
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 08-01-2004, 12:23 PM
WebProWorld Member
 

Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 40
Goop RepRank 0
Default

DB, I hope that the administrators can tell the forum why they took down the last thread?

That would be nice if they could do that since some seem to be allowed to attack others, but when they are responded to the thread gets taken down.

Please administrators address this issue?

We can not have a forum here that is fair when one side is allowed to gang up on the other, but when a response is given to them, that is not allowed......
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 08-01-2004, 03:14 PM
minstrel's Avatar
WebProWorld 1,000+ Club
 

Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Ottawa, Canada
Posts: 3,619
minstrel RepRank 0
Default Re: Google defuses a Google bomb

Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Brandt
It looks to me like Google hacked their algorithm so that when the word "executives" appears with the word "touch" in front of it in the search box, then Google's page at www.google.com/corporate/execs.html is desensitized and will not appear in the results.
Doesn't it seem more likely that the reason is you have a ton of blogs and forums (fora?) highlighting the phrase "out of touch executives" showing up as more relevant returns for that search phrase?

Quote:
Contrast this with using "touch google executives," where the word executives is not preceded by the word "touch." The results haven't changed. And instead of using "executives," use the word "management." This is a collateral effect of my original "out-of-touch executives" bomb, as the New York Times pointed out on June 25. Note that the rankings are still very high for all variations of "touch" with "management." Google defused "executives" but they forgot to defuse "management."
whether or not "google" is in there, the SERPs that I'm seeing are primarily blogs and forums with a few news stories. And as for why they'd be different with the word "management", see above - could it be that it's because that particular phrase does NOT appear in all those other posts?

Quote:
I think it's a hand tweak.
Unlikely - I think you overrate how much time Google spends worrying about you, your sites, your Google bomb, and your theories. You seem to imply they've made you a priority; my guess is they really don't care.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 08-01-2004, 03:39 PM
WebProWorld Member
 

Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 40
Goop RepRank 0
Default

DJB how are you today?

Glad you are back, maybe you can explain why the thread was taken down yesterday and tell us the real reason we had to start all over today.

Was the subject matter too explosive yesterday?

Are we getting too close to the truth on issues that the forum must take complete threads down?

Can the administration answer these questions?

Does WebProWorld want a one sided forum, where the Doctor and his gang (they all are moderators on the good Doctor's forum) attack the other side all at once, without giving our side the opportunity to talk back, then threads are removed from public view?

It is alright for them to personally attack us, but we can not return fire, is that fair WPW administration?
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 08-01-2004, 03:45 PM
minstrel's Avatar
WebProWorld 1,000+ Club
 

Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Ottawa, Canada
Posts: 3,619
minstrel RepRank 0
Default

In case you haven't noticed, Goop, I'm neither an administrator nor a moderator here. You'll have to address your questions elsewhere. I had nothing to do with the quarantining of the previous thread and I have no more knowledge of who or why than you do.

I would suggest, however, that if this thread doesn't remain on topic it will suffer the same fate.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 08-01-2004, 11:29 PM
WebProWorld 1,000+ Club
 

Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Australia
Posts: 1,263
Dave Hawley RepRank 0
Default

Quote:
Unlikely - I think you overrate how much time Google spends worrying about you, your sites, your Google bomb, and your theories. You seem to imply they've made you a priority; my guess is they really don't care.
Agree. If Google really did care all those other pages, which lead to your page, would also be gone. If you search for "out of touch executives" with quotes, the page is there.

What exactly is it you are trying to prove?
Reply With Quote
Reply

  WebProWorld > Search Engines > Google Discussion Forum
Tags: , ,



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.2.0