Still not listed

Debster · #1 (**permalink**) 11-08-2003, 11:57 AM

At the 17th of september I submitted a website to Google, but it's still not
listed.
Last week I submitted once again and I'm hoping that this will do the trick.
This website allready has over 40 backlinks, so that can't be the problem.

Can someone explain why this is happening? Normally it takes 3 or 4 weeks according to my experience...

Debby

janeth · #2 (**permalink**) 11-08-2003, 01:02 PM

The website is in Google.

Getting listed for your key words is a lot harder but you are in Google

Debster · #3 (**permalink**) 11-09-2003, 04:29 AM

Sorry, I did not give the proper url. My own website is in Google. But I'm talking about a client's website.

When I search in Google I cannot find it:

http://<br /> http://www.google.nl/...gle+zoeken&lr=

PS: I did not build this website, I've just submitted it to several search engines.

cbp · #4 (**permalink**) 11-09-2003, 04:48 AM

The site has a PR of 3, so Google has picked up the links and should have found the site. I can not find it in Google.

Here are my guesses:
1) Could be a problem with Google crawling the site - unlikely as if this is the problem, the URL (without descriptions) usually appears in the results, meaning Google knows about the site but has not fully indexed it.

2) The site is banned - is there any possibility of something has been done that has breached Google's guidelines (eg link farms, duplicate content, doorway pages, expired domain etc). I notice that the site is in DMOZ, but not in Google Directory. If the site was in DMOZ, prior to late October, I am confident that you have been banned. If the site was added to DMOZ after around 25 October, then I am not sure its a ban. Sites with a ban used to get a PR=0 or grey bar (not as sure this happens now that publically available PR is only updated periodically - wait to next PR update to see what happens)

3) If could have been the site was down last time crawled..

There is something odd that I have never seen before and is way outside my area of any limited knowledge:
When I go to http://www.hannibalreizen.nl , there is half way done on the right of the page a link for www.hannibalreizen.nl - when I click on this, the frame on the left get wider - keep clicking on it and the frame keeps getting wider ...

Maybe when Googlebot came along and followed that link it spat the dummy and went away and not indexed the site

Maybe someone who knows more than me can give some adivce on this.

BTW, if the site has links to it, subbmitting to Google is a waste of time

CBP

Debster · #5 (**permalink**) 11-09-2003, 05:24 AM

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The site has a PR of 3, so Google has picked up the links and should have found the site. I can not find it in Google.

How do you know this? (Where can I find this information?)

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2)The site is banned

This is something I'm very affraid of. Before I got the job, someone else did the SEO. I think he messed it up badly. What do you mean by 'linksfarms'? Something like this?:
http://www.lening.nl/linken.html

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When I go to http://www.hannibalreizen.nl , there is half way done on the right of the page a link for www.hannibalreizen.nl - when I click on this, the frame on the left get wider - keep clicking on it and the frame keeps getting wider ...

Maybe this has got something to do with the noframes-content on the indexpage?

In the meanwhile I've been searching. I just now saw that the domain 'www.hannibal-reizen.nl' has been found by Google. I suggested my client to use this domain as well, so he registered it. Now maybe this is a way to start over again. And get listed.
What's your opinion on that?
(hannibal-reizen.nl redirects to hannibalreizen.nl)

Debster · #6 (**permalink**) 11-09-2003, 05:29 AM

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I notice that the site is in DMOZ, but not in Google Directory. If the site was in DMOZ, prior to late October, I am confident that you have been banned. If the site was added to DMOZ after around 25 October, then I am not sure its a ban.

Forgot to answer this one. :-)

I submitted the site at the same day to dmoz as to Google, at the 17th september. At that time the site wasn't listed in dmoz. I'm not sure when the site appeared in the dmoz-directory.

cbp · #7 (**permalink**) 11-09-2003, 06:36 AM

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hannibal-reizen.nl redirects to hannibalreizen.nl

It does not redirect for me - maybe you have got a duplicate content penalty. You need to dump one ASAP and make sure the redirect is a permanent 301.

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submitted the site at the same day to dmoz as to Google, at the 17th september. At that time the site wasn't listed in dmoz. I'm not sure when the site appeared in the dmoz-directory.

This is important, as if it was listed prior to late October, then you have a ban - I am just not sure how you would find that information out.

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How do you know this? (Where can I find this information?)

The PR is on the Google toolbar. Do a search for hannibalreizen (I have no idea what this even is???) - sites come up with the link to the site on it - these sites are in Google, so Google knows about the links.

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Maybe this has got something to do with the noframes-content on the indexpage?

This really has to be fixed before anything else is done.

CBP

Debster · #8 (**permalink**) 11-09-2003, 06:52 AM

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It does not redirect for me - maybe you have got a duplicate content penalty. You need to dump one ASAP and make sure the redirect is a permanent 301.

That's strange...
What happens if you click http://www.hannibal-reizen.nl?

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The PR is on the Google toolbar.

Yea, I know, but when I visit the site www.hannibalreizen.nl it shows a horrifying empty grey bar. :-(

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This really has to be fixed before anything else is done.

Why? Noframes-content cannot be the problem? Even Webexpert Jakob Nielsen advises to put some content between <noframes> and </noframes>...

PS: 'Hannibal Reizen' is the name of a Dutch travellingagency. ('reizen' is dutch for 'travelling'.)

cbp · #9 (**permalink**) 11-09-2003, 06:58 AM

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That's strange...
What happens if you click http://www.hannibal-reizen.nl?

It stays as http://www.hannibal-reizen.nl and does not redirect.

It still shows PR3 for me.
Try this - click on the toolbar to view cache, then click back - does the grey bar go away?

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Why? Noframes-content cannot be the problem?

Sorry - I should have been clearer - the problem with clicking on the www.hannibal-reizen.nl on the page needs to be fixed - I suspect it is causing lots problems for Googlebot

CBP

Debster · #10 (**permalink**) 11-09-2003, 07:36 AM

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It stays as http://www.hannibal-reizen.nl and does not redirect.

Yea, I now see. I'll try to find out what the hostingcompany set up for this. I never duplicated the content, maybe they did.

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It still shows PR3 for me.
Try this - click on the toolbar to view cache, then click back - does the grey bar go away?

Nope, still grey.
The cache doesn't show anything either:
http://216.239.59.104/search?sourcei...l-reizen.nl%2F

Still a question on the linkfarmsubject:
This website used to have a page like the one I mentioned earlier. I removed it. This page (linkfarm) can be the cause of all the problems, don't you agree? If the site is banned by Google, will a new domain be the solution or does it has to change the ip-address also?

cbp · #11 (**permalink**) 11-09-2003, 07:48 AM

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Nope, still grey

Maybe some others can check this - it still shows PR 3 for me from here.

[quote]This website used to have a page like the one I mentioned earlier. I removed it. This page (linkfarm) can be the cause of all the problems, don't you agree? If the site is banned by Google, will a new domain be the solution or does it has to change the ip-address also?

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Link farms can be a problem and may have been a problem here.

I would fix the other issues as well and then send an email to webmaster@google.com with the subject line 'reinclusion request' - please your case ... then wait patiently

CBP

Debster · #12 (**permalink**) 11-09-2003, 08:11 AM

Cbp,

Thanks for helping me out with this one.
I'll try to fix all that's wrong and send an email to Google for reinclusion.

Hopefully this will solve the problem.

Debster

minstrel · #13 (**permalink**) 11-09-2003, 10:17 AM

I also get PR=3 for http://www.hannibalreizen.nl/ but PR=0 for http://www.hannibal-reizen.nl/ when I click directly on those links.

They look to be exactly the same page - maybe this is a problem, too, as cbp suggested.

The "cached page" for www.hannibal-reizen.nl is also blank when I checked it. On the other hand, searching for a cached page for www.hannibalreizen.nl just gives me the "can't be found" message.

The link on http://www.hannibal-reizen.nl/ to http://www.hannibalreizen.nl/ does the same strange thing with frames as cbp noted for the original page and does not redirect to http://www.hannibalreizen.nl/, or if it does it's doing so within the original frame so I can't tell (the URL in the address bar remains the same).

If you enter just hannibalreizen.nl into Google, you get several links in Dutch - which I don't understand. These look like pages linking to you. Could one or more of them be part of your problem?

Entering "link:www.hannibalreizen.nl" into Google also results in a list of several sites - I don't think these are the same ones as above.

Debster · #14 (**permalink**) 11-10-2003, 03:40 AM

Very strange indeed. I still get PR=0 on both domains.

The strange thing with frames I cannot explain. What browser are you using? (I use Internet Explorer 6)
I'll try and figure that out and call the hostingprovider to answer this.

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Entering "link:www.hannibalreizen.nl" into Google also results in a list of several sites - I don't think these are the same ones as above.

These website link to hannibalreizen.nl, that's correct. But the website itself is still not listed by Google. Si there must be something wrong and I'm seriously starting to think that the site is banned because of the link farm.
What's your opninion on that?

minstrel · #15 (**permalink**) 11-10-2003, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Debster

Very strange indeed. I still get PR=0 on both domains. The strange thing with frames I cannot explain. What browser are you using? (I use Internet Explorer 6)

I'm also using Internet Explorer 6 (SP-1) so that isn't the problem.

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Entering "link:www.hannibalreizen.nl" into Google also results in a list of several sites - I don't think these are the same ones as above.

These website link to hannibalreizen.nl, that's correct. But the website itself is still not listed by Google. So there must be something wrong and I'm seriously starting to think that the site is banned because of the link farm. What's your opninion on that?

It's possible - see cbp's suggestions above.

Also have a look at these threads:

We really need some help

Sure could use some help Part Two

Is there any way to tell if Google has banned a site?

Debster · #16 (**permalink**) 11-11-2003, 11:38 AM

Thank you for pointing to the other threads:
Especially this one is helpful:
http://webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=8166

I still don't understand the different PR-ratings (0 vs 3).
If somebody can explain this, please, don't hesitate. Go ahead. :-)

Debster · #17 (**permalink**) 11-12-2003, 03:21 AM

This is the answer I got from Google:

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Hi Debby,

Thank you for your reply. We appreciate your efforts to comply with
Google's quality standards. We have sent your request on to our
engineering team who will review your site and determine if it is eligible
for re-inclusion. If the website is reinstated, it will appear in Google's
search results sometime in the next few months. We appreciate your
patience during this process.

Regards,
The Google Team

Sounds positive, doesn't it? :-)

minstrel · #18 (**permalink**) 11-12-2003, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Debster

Sounds positive, doesn't it? :-)

Yes, I'd say so: (1) because they answered you at all, and (2) because they're saying they will look for reasons to add you back.

Debster · #19 (**permalink**) 11-13-2003, 11:08 AM

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There is something odd that I have never seen before and is way outside my area of any limited knowledge:
When I go to http://www.hannibalreizen.nl , there is half way done on the right of the page a link for www.hannibalreizen.nl - when I click on this, the frame on the left get wider - keep clicking on it and the frame keeps getting wider ...

I think I've solved it :-)
www.hannibalreizen.nl

cbp · #20 (**permalink**) 11-13-2003, 03:24 PM

Its fixed. I am sure that in addition to other problems, this would have been causing Googlebot to really "spit the dummy" when it visited.

CBP