not in top 1,000 even to low competition

[astoller]

I have a domain with a pr of 4 and a low competition
of 4,000
Yet I dont appear in the top 1,000 google results.
for my keyword
I have one link in from linkopdeia.
Others links in from the site itself from pages
on related topics.

All content is original.
No duplication.

Why would I be penalised like this?
domsin is
www.partysparkle.com

[Grinler]

I know how to determine page rank, but how do you determine what place you are in the top 1000? Is there a program that does that for you?

[cbp]

Here how I approach it:

Hypothetically and conceptually, ranking = importance x relevance +/- quality signals

Importance
This is determined by link popularity - in Google this is PR. Yours is PR4 and I can only find 4 links - you need a lot more to make your site important.

Relevance
I am assuming you are targeting the keywords 'Christmas Party Games' - you have that in the title and H1 (the main places) and they have the highest keyword density (but...see below). However the most imprtant way Google uses to determine relvance is the anchor text of incoming links - all your links say 'Party Sparkle' (you rank ~20 for that term). You need a lot more links with Christmas Party Games as the anchor text. (Your intrnal links do have that as anchor text which is good)

Quality Signals
Poor signals you have:
- keyword density is greater >50% - that could be approaching a spam level
- you are obviously associated with http://www.partysparkle.co.uk/ - (which has a spammy looking collection of keywords at the bottom of each of its pages) - a link on every page to this site sends a 'signal to Google'....

......I wrote the above before I found http://www.kidspartyware.com/ ... I give up looking any further - you obviousy have some sort of spammy network (duplicate content is a very bad quality signal) - you could have told us about that rather than me waste all this time.

CBP

[astoller]

CBP

Thanks for your suggestions.
I had no idea my associate put up a duplicate page at kidspartyware

I will have this taken down straight away.
I hope that helps.

Art

[astoller]

CBP

Just a note.
I can't see KWD of 50% on my pages.
Most I get running optilink is 4%
for "party"
Can ytou tell me how you get this
figure?
Thanks
Art

[minstrel]

Originally Posted by cbp

I am assuming you are targeting the keywords 'Christmas Party Games' - you have that in the title and H1 (the main places) and they have the highest keyword density (but...see below). However the most imprtant way Google uses to determine relvance is the anchor text of incoming links - all your links say 'Party Sparkle' (you rank ~20 for that term).

This raises a larger issue: what keywords are you targetting and how did you choose them? Are they words/phrases that anyone is actually going to use to search for YOU (as opposed to all of the other websites out there who offer a similar product or service)?

Admittedly, I am not in your industry but I have a hard time believing that "party sparkle" is going to be a hot search phrase. I may be wrong of course, but if I'm right it won't matter whether you are #1 or #9000 for that term - the bottom line is will it help you sell your products?

[paulhiles]

The phrase "party sparkle" means little to me...
whereas "Party games" or "Birthday party idea" seem to be what your site is actually offering. These are much more the sort of keyphrases you should be looking to be ranked for.

[cbp]

I used this tool here:
http://www.searchengineworld.com/cgi-bin/kwda.cgi

It shows a 50% density for that key phrase.

CBP

[Grinler]

What density do you want on a keyword?

[cbp]

IMHO, the targeted keyword(s) should have the highest density on the page, but kept as low as possible (pref <10%) but still witten naturally (Google is possibly getting smarter at looking for unnatural lists and use of keywords).

BUT, again IMHO, keyword density is really not a lot of use unless it matched by the title, H1's and the anchor text of incoming links.

CBP

[astoller]

CBP
Thanks for the link to the tool
The phrase is christmas party games as you know.

May I know what you use to find out the link outbound to the spammy domain?
(So that I can stop this happening in the future?)

Thanks
Art

[glengara]

*you could have told us about that rather than me waste all this time.*

Not directed at you, Astoller, but I'm amazed (and annoyed) by how many posters on the various forums fail to disclose such salient points.....

[cbp]

astoller:
As a DMOZ editor, I have got good at sussing out sites and usng a number of tools to find asociations between sites.

I just did a whois look up on your domain and got the other URL from being another domain being on the same server --- see my message in this thread re mutiple URL's: http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=9371

gengara:

Not directed at you, Astoller, but I'm amazed (and annoyed) by how many posters on the various forums fail to disclose such salient points.....

I get angry at that ... there have been occasions when I have spent up to an hour looking over sites, backlinks, WHOis, etc in response to a very sad story about being droped by Google only to uncover a maasive spammy network that deserved it --- the anger is based on that not being disclosed in the sop story and me wasting a whole lot of time.

CBP

[astoller]

I am intrigued.
I went to who is and looked up the domain
but all I get is a report on my particular domain.
Its doesn't mention and related domains
on the same server.
Art

[paulhiles]

There is a Reverse IP option that allows you to view other websites hosted at the same address as the one you "look up". I notice for instance, that in your case, websites-uk.com shares the server with 52 other sites.

With a free registration you're able to look up the first three results of these other domains. If you upgrade to their Silver membership you can view all the other domains hosted at that IP address.

Hope that helps,

Paul