Google Blues

[Jason Tor]

The Google Blues
So I've been submitting to directories all night and my fingers are about to fall off and the screen is burned into my eyes, I've become a master at finding the "submit URL" link and can now find the correct category on my first attempt.

I've consumed so much caffeine that I can legally change my name to Mr. Maxwell House and I think I've become a permanent part of my chair. I've eaten 3 pounds of Nutter Butters that will most likely stay with me for years to come. I only have about a thousand more directories to submit to, and in some strange way I'm starting to enjoying it!

I would say by next week I'll have submitted so much I should actually be the internet. All in all if my little green bar moves up just a little bit I'll know that my future arthritis and coke bottle glasses was well worth it!

-Jason Tor

Post your own Google Blues!

[effisk]

Originally Posted by Jason Tor

I've eaten 3 pounds of Nutter Butters that will most likely stay with me for years to come.

I would have opted for butterfingers if I were in the USA.
Anyone interested in exporting this to Europe ?

[John Currie]

Hi Jason

I just wanted to remind you, DON'T forget the content. I have been busy over the last few months adding CONTENT to my site and my site has gone from position 120 to 11 in the last three months.

I have added about 700 pages of content and this has also helped my traffic increase by about 1000 visitors a day just from them finding my site for all those obscure terms.

Externallinks are cool, but in my humble opinion, the content brings traffic that buys and the beauty is that a lot of this traffic is coming from pages that don't have any page rank yet.

If I do an inurl search for my site I get over 800 pages but the backlinks are showing 198 and have been showing this amount for the last three months.

I am working on external links but find that internal links to good content is bringing me lots of targeted traffic and that's what counts most.

[codex26]

While submiting to google....
I drink coffee and I get nervous so I smoke cigarettes to relax. But when I smoke to many cigarettes I get lazy so I drink more coffee to wake up. While I drink more coffee I become more nervous so I smoke more cigarettes to relax.....and.......when......Oh just finished! :)

[fathom]

The next step get's alittle easier... but still a bi of upfront work.

Drop the link pages and grab a directory script. The ones with auto-backlink checkers are the best and while most are free to setup (keeping the script owners link on the directory) the cost to remove goes up with the more robust.

Nonetheless - to start "free" is the best way to go and once the directory get popular then pay to upgrade and remove.

Additionally, as somone all ready mentioned don't forget content... but a forum serves this purpose and free as well.

In both cases their is upfront work - but it pays-off big as people will be searching for your submit url (instead of you) and writing your content (instead of you).

[greeneagle]

Fathom:
"The next step get's alittle easier... but still a bi of upfront work.

Drop the link pages and grab a directory script. The ones with auto-backlink checkers are the best and while most are free to setup (keeping the script owners link on the directory) the cost to remove goes up with the more robust.

Nonetheless - to start "free" is the best way to go and once the directory get popular then pay to upgrade and remove."
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You lost me here Fathom, I haven't ever played there. Could you explain in more detail and maybe even provide links to Sites or other threads?

Thanks,
Ken

[John Currie]

fathom wrote: Drop the link pages and grab a directory script.

Sounds like a great idea! Wher can I look for one and how does it work?

[John Currie]

I think fathom means to use a program like linksmanager

[Curious George]

Jason,

You don't have to beat yourself so hard to submit your site. I used WebPosition Gold 2 for all my submissions. The $150 I spent on the application is well worth its weight in gold. You can have it do auto submit for you every day. It can critique your page from SEO point view and you can run report to see your search engine ranking on all the sites you submitted to as often as you want. I usually run mine weekly - although not necessary. I still do it out of curiousity :-).

The original company was acquired by NetIQ the company that make Webtrends application a couple of months. They've asked me to help test the WebPosition Gold 3. It is feature richer than the the WP2 Gold that I currently have. They've integrated Webtrends into the new version. I hope they will give me a free copy (or a discount) for helping with the test.

Check it out Jason, they offer free trial. You can try it before you actually invest $150. I wish I can upgrade to the Pro version but that will set me back additional $200 :-(. The pro version lets you generate private label custom reports for your SEO clients. Out of curiousity let us know what you think if you decide to give it a try. I believe it is a must have application for any aspiring or professional SEO out there.

The address is http://webposition.com/.

Get some sleep :-).

Originally Posted by effisk

I would have opted for butterfingers if I were in the USA.
Anyone interested in exporting this to Europe ?

How many pounds of butter finger do you need in Europe? Maybe we can work something out :-).

Curious George

[fathom]

http://www.chipmunk-scripts.com/scripts/directory.php (MySQL database required) (no link checker)

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/ (CGI self-contained database) (backlink rechecker)

There are tons of them out there:

free directory script

[cbp]

I used WebPosition Gold 2 for all my submissions. The $150 I spent on the application is well worth its weight in gold. You can have it do auto submit for you every day

Total waste of $150 to use it for that.

CBP

[Curious George]

Originally Posted by cbp

Total waste of $150 to use it for that.

CBP

CBP,

You may be right especially if you've tried the application :-). My post did not cover all the features. That is why I implore curious ones like me to try it and draw their own conclusion.

Curious George

[cbp]

I was only refering to spending the money just to buy it for the search engine submission feature - as search engine submisson is a total waste time.

CBP

[cyanide]

You can have it do auto submit for you every day.

Who are you auto-submitting to everyday?


I wouldn't have tried it before, and with the Webtrends name on it, I'm even less likely...
left a pretty bitter taste in my mouth when I used them...

[Ducani]

Ok so what do we have so far:

a) A directory submission addiction
b) Coffee overload to cure cigarette effects
c) Cigarette overload to cure coffee effects
d) Nutter Butters (whatever those are)
e) Arthritis on the way (need one of those hand things)
f) The posibility of a little extra green on the Toolbar.
g) $150 for software that could make this all easier.

Anymore?

[incrediblehelp]

Originally Posted by Curious George

CBP,

You may be right especially if you've tried the application :-). My post did not cover all the features. That is why I implore curious ones like me to try it and draw their own conclusion.

Curious George

I really only use it for Ranking Checks.

[virtualtraveller]

I have a team of Asians who spend all day every day adding urls to sites. It's a service we offer and we've identified more than 1000 sites that have an automated adding tool. However, it's not as easy as it seems. Firstly, most of these sites are serial hotel sites with an sql/cgi database for their links directory. The tool wont accept a submission until it has seen and verified the url on your site where you added their link (a lot of work). Some of them can take up-to four weeks to validate your link and then google might take just as long before it spiders the page and finds the link.

It’s frustrating to go to all this effort and then do a site/url search on Google only to find there’s nothing there. Some sites even email us a confirmation that the link is live, yet nothing shows in Google. Google now seems to be sipdering continuously rather than the traditoinal monthly sweep. The assumption then is that they are posting your link to a ‘dead’ page which isn’t linked to the web. Either that, or the link is on a page so deep in the site that it’s not getting spidered, or perhaps even ‘ignored’ by google as a ‘link farm’. Dirty buggers.

However, my SEO associates assure me that these links do eventually get seen and the numbers all add up. Apparently Google likes all these many ‘weightless links’ Could it be that the Google site search is unreliable.

Our experience with building links is that the big wheels turn slowly and it could be months before you see results on your greenbar. Also, there is consensus now that less weight is placed on the PR strength of those pages you're linking from and more emphasis on lots of links from relevant pages which are rich in your keyword. Setting up homepage for homepage links or internal links usually show immediate results, but its just a big guessing game as to what Google’s up to with its indexing of links.

[colr]

Thats a point I brought up in another thread (without any response might I add). One of the sites I am promoting has PR 4 and I have gained a good number of PR 5 links to it, which after several months still fail to get noticed.

Does anybody have any experience of this, or any pointers as to why these great 'votes' are being ignored?

I suspect that they are being noticed, but that the link:www.*.* command isnt functioning properly or something. But in saying that, the PR on my clients hsite hasnt changed to reflect anything.

I hate SEO . . . up and down like a yo-yo . . .

[cbp]

why these great 'votes' are being ignored?

How do you know they are being ignored?

but that the link:www.*.* command isnt functioning properly

The link: command is functioning as it has always functioned - it has only ever shown a sample of backlinks to a site and never them all. Just because a backlink is not in the sample does not mean that it is not counted.
CBP

[menneke]

Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

I really only use it for Ranking Checks.

Is it okay to recommend another product?
Try http://www.advancedwebranking.com. It's only €50 for the entry version (€100 for the full version with more reporting capabilities) and it "plays nice" with the search engines. I've been using it for almost a year now and its developers are very active and responsive to suggestions for improvement.

menneke

[scriptmonkey]

Stop submitting and concentrate on content - it's still the king.

And don't write primarily for the search engines, rather, write for your target audience - it does no good and wastes time and energy to just to try and attract visitors that have no business being at your site (unless you are only trying to get the most visitors).

The search engines will find you - submit to DMOZ in the appropriate category, submit to Google (once), find some Seconal to reverse the effects of the caffeine and wait 8 weeks for the ranking to start improving.

If you have well formatted, well written pages that are targeted to your intended audience, you should be OK.

You might try WordTracker for keywords and key phrases - if you are keying on words and phrases that have very little activity in the search engines, your rankings could suffer - www.wordtracker.com

[TrafficProducer]

I'm starting to enjoy it!

This is a bad stage to get to. Get the matchsticks out, (not to light up a ciggy), but to keep the eyelids open because here's a list of a few more places to post links to if your brave enough and only if you have nothing better to do, some links are OK some are worthless, you make your own mind up which are which:-

http://www.downloads.ukprofessionals...ion_links.html

[hawkwind dave]

Virtual traveller signed;

No good content, no good site... know good content, know good site.

not only does it rhyme, it's a concept worth grasping.

[acornwebworks]

Originally Posted by Jason Tor

I would say by next week I'll have submitted so much I should actually be the internet.

I am thrilled to be able to say that I am actually on the same forum as the entire Internet. What an honor. I am truly humbled.

[Jason Tor]

Hello All,
I see lots of good advice, I think I'll even take some of it! Everyone thank greeneagle for me, he helped me out a great deal. I'm in the middle of a project but I'll post more about the changes I'm going to make as soon as I'm finished. Again thanks for the advice!

-Jason Tor

[effisk]

Originally Posted by cbp

Total waste of $150 to use it for that.

CBP

AAhh! How many butterfingers could you buy with all this cash ?

How many pounds of butter finger do you need in Europe? Maybe we can work something out :-).

Pounds? I guess you meant tons ;)