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Old 06-05-2004, 12:28 PM
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Hi,

I wonder if anyone out there can help me. Site at www.sochoose.com provides B2B services for a thing called an employee assistance programme.

Natch I want to be able to get the site as far up the Google ranking as possible for search terms such as "employee assistance programme", "employee assistance programmes" and "eap".

I've torn my hair out over this and can only achieve a PR of 2! I've just optimised anchor text, have worked v. hard on meta tags etc and have a backlink campaign on the go (though most webmasters - that's a laugh - in the counselling/advice arena are morons) which should bear fruit.

The problem I have is that if Google rates good content, but uses backlinks to verify this (and it doesn't show any for this site) then how come Google won't index all of this site rather than just www.sochoose.com/index.php and attribute these as backlinks?

Hope someone can help this is really getting me down.

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First of all:

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=soc...t&cop=mss&tab=

http://www.google.ca/search?q=%22soc...UTF-8&filter=0

You really don't have that many backlinks. MSN, Altavista and All the Web, I didn't bother to post because they all showed no results.

This is only a sample, but if five different engines
give you a total of 17 different backlinks as a sample, then that means you're either targeting the wrong sites to get your link onto, or you're not getting linked at all.

Second, PR is important, but it's not the be-all and end-all. The first search result for "employee assistance programme" reveals a PR4 site, the second a PR5 site. The reason that it does this is because the PR4 site has done more to internally optimize their site (such as putting the keyphrase in their header tags, and registering the domain name employeeassistanceprogramme.com) than has the latter (likely because the page has been around since 1997 and probably hasn't been updated since then from the looks of it).

Third, Google doesn't always index your site in its entirety the first, second, or even in some cases the third time. Google's pattern usually goes something like this:

1) Google visits your site and grabs the contents of the home page.

2) Google revisits and gathers some more stuff.

3) Step 2 is repeated until Google has all of your content for the period of time for which Google has visited.

The time these steps can vary anywhere from 5 weeks to over six months, depending on the amount of new or updated content Google has to index, the number of servers they have to do this with, the speed of their connections to site server connections, updates to the engine and to the spider, and whether or not Google is having PMS that day and hates its mother because she's always nagging it to be more like she is.

A few things you can do:

1) Get yourself into DMOZ. People here will tell you that it's not as crucial as it used to be, but from what I've seen it will generally knock a site up at least 1 in PR.

2) Optimize your site a little better. Don't just put your key phrase in bold, put it in header tags and use anchor text to hyperlink to it.

3) Put the link to your site in your signature with the phrase "Employee Assistance Programme" or "EAP" as the description. This won't help a great deal for each individiual forum post, but over time it does have an effect. Every little edge counts.

4) Find yourself some better sites to get backlinks from, and ensure that their page rank is half-decent. Of the few I've seen that you had, most of their PRs were no higher than 2 and had enough outbound links to significantly dilute your own.

I'm sure someone else will add to this, but this will get you started.
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Old 06-05-2004, 01:02 PM
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Much appreciate your response. Perhaps too much time has been spent on minimising things like download time.
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Damb - I can't even get your page to download to take a look..... If that's what you were woirking on for download time, keep working on it - cause thats much too long...

Plenty of interesting points have been brought above....

I suggest if you have all php pages - make some html pages.....

I have no proof - but they may just rank better - google knows that php can do some funky stuff....

Wonder if they completely trust it...
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I suggest if you have all php pages - make some html pages.....

I have no proof - but they may just rank better - google knows that php can do some funky stuff....
That doesn't make any difference to Google in terms of SERPs.
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Many thanks for the help. I'm a little concerned if you've experienced poor download times. Anyone else had this problem?

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A little slow. Drop the http://www.sochoose.com/images/sq1.gif and it will help quite a bit.
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Thanks dave, will try to optimise a little better.

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http://www.websiteoptimization.com

This will help you measure your speed time and figure out what's slowing down your site, if anything.

Dave's right, by the way. That sg1.gif graphic takes up almost half of your load time by itself. That's a pretty fair chunk of change.
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Thanks for your feedback. Have now optimised sq1.gif and should load a lot faster.

Have a follow up question that would appreciate help with. I've decided to re-structure the site as follows.

The site has 25 public pages which I think I should group into three sections.

Section one (low) - 15 pages (three groups of five) outbound links only to section two pages - optimised for one of three key phrases.

Section two (medium) - six pages receiving links from Section one pages optimised for same key phrases as above outbound links only to Section three (high) - three pages with inbound links only and optimised as above.

of course all pages have inbound/outbound links from menu)

My aim of course is to improve the PR of my three key pages. If this strategy is correct do all pages have to contain the appropriate keyword phrase (this is probably a really stupid question I know) and, if so, how often on each page?

Many, many thanks


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