1. Background.

When I started on my AdSense account, I had no problem getting support. Now that has stopped.

2. Low profile in the beginning.

I choose a low profile here in the beginning. But now I have to ask and see if WPW members can do a better job than the Google Groups forum.

Here

Google adsense code stopped working without notice. - AdSense Help

is the support I got from them.

Now I see that not all sites in my mini network (Norwegian to the left and international to the right) have been hit. So the sample I looked at was not good enough. Let us take these three sites:

1. AdSense not showing: DigitalStart.net: The starting point for English speaking surfers and webmasters A lot of people have thanked me for that site.
2. AdSense not showing: Learn object oriented programming and design where it started, at OopSchool.com
3. AdSense showing: DigitalNorway: The digital revolution is transforming the world. with less text.

3. Tracking and tools.

I don't use any other tools than those that are in my AdSense account. I don't use Google analytics or other tools. Could those tools help me?

4. Has Google take an active action to stop the code or has the AdSense Bot done it automatically?

I deleted the code on the first of the above sites to see if there could have been some injections on the site. But as you see, the problem remains the same.

5. The best alternative to Google AdSense.

Now I am looking for an alternative automatic Ad solution on my sites. I am a TradeDoubler, Amazon and LinkShare member. I have never used Yahoo or Microsoft as an affiliate provider. What is your experience, do you think the same could have happende with them (as I feel it eProperty destroyed without warning)?

6. Diagnosis and quality control.

Who is responsible for Google's quality control? Those on their forum (see above link) did not impress me. Can any of the WPW members diagnose the problem and give a way to solve the problem befor I take a final decision to change Ad provider?

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Kgun.
I just had a very quick peek at DigitalStart.net: The starting point for English speaking surfers and webmasters

I do not think the 'Adsense search' has a clue what your page is about.
you are showing a charity advert.

I think you should try optimising for AdSense.

Try putting something on page that will direct the AdSense search engine to a clear and precise topic.


Learn object oriented programming and design where it started, at OopSchool.com - Phew. My connection is not fast. but you still show community adverts. Can't you break the page up into parts that can be 'targeted' you have more words on that page than it the last novel I read.

I think you underestimate google Ad Senses capabilities. Imagine that the adsense program is a fifteen year old girl.
If you asked her to summarize what the page was about (to select an advert) what would she say. I think she would probably say I do not know. .

Your AdSense is working kgun. . I think it just does not know what to make of your page.

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Thank you Tubby for the answer. No, it is not working when it shows the charity ads as far as I know. My experience with that logo or the micro finance logo is how the code functions before it is tracking third party advertisers. It is a link to charitable organizations like Concern. Nothing wrong with that, but I already support them with stable semantic links on my main site, the second link in my signature. Example: The markets, a page where the Google AdSense code tracks perfectly. You find the stable semantic links in the global links group at the top.

May be Google AdSenseBOT means that I have more money to support charity organizations than Google has. So now, you have to contribute kgun.

At least the design could have been better and consistent with the ad layout I choose in the AdSense account. Compare the top Ads by Google on

1. DigitalStart.net: The starting point for English speaking surfers and webmasters Not functioning.
2. DigitalNorway: The digital revolution is transforming the world. That is the AdSense format that I have chosen on my account.

Those ads should look the same and they did before, so either professor GoogleBOT or GoogleAdSenseBOT have been confused

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Kgun. . You call on readers to leave the page before they have barely read the first paragraph. you ask them to leave to read something you wrote on another site? Any serious reader will be gone before the AdSense ads load.

The first page should contain what you want the readers to read before they start. .nothing else (Target text towards this topic) AND DON'T ASK YOUR USERS TO LEAVE YOUR BLOODY SITE) unless it is via adsense.

give your users an interesting and informative page - then simply ask them to go to the next page. (or leave via an advert)

You have adverts and outbound links on that first page that no reader could possibly read properly in under a month...

You have never done any teaching?

You cannot expect to write a whole flaming book. . Then squeeze it onto one page by (asking your users to leave your site (crazy)) Then expect to get ad revenue from it.

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LOL

It is a linkbase, hopefully with semantic links. It is far from an automatic link farm or algorithmically presented SERP pages with millions of unstructured hits.

Yes, I was a teacher at high school when I was 25 years with top ratings.



But I was fired when I got older because I was too theoretic. IBM has a policy of placing people in a corner doing research when they are a problem. In Japan I have heard that they are placed in an empty office and told that they can look out of the window. I prefer the IBM method, even if nobody read the research reports you produce. They only get the report in return wit the remark:

"This is interesting continue the work".

As you may have noted the OopSchool site is about object oriented programming (4 590 000 unstructured hits).

Some like the mother, other the daughter and some both (hopefully the father).

The intention was to have a forum there. I am breaking the sites up, like this: MultiFinansIT

It was a single page where the AdSense code functioned. Now it is broken up in three pages (site navigation) where the code is not functioning, at least not according to my intention and the format I choose.

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Kgun said
"It is a link base, hopefully with semantic links. It is far from an automatic link farm or algorithmically presented SERP pages with millions of unstructured hits."

I never suggested it even remotely looked like a link farm. . I merely observed that you invite your readers to leave your site by offering hem a page where you created the content on another web site - the page you send them to has nice topical links. Why do you send them there and not to another page on your site where you can display your own topical links?

You are not serious about adsense, otherwise you would not use the format that you do...

The rest of your post entails me to leave WPW forum, I rarely do that because I feel you should make your point without asking me to search through a new page to find whatever it may be that you think is useful.

Sometimes Kgun I think in real life if I were to ask you for the time of day, you would refer me to a library with a reference to a book entitled 'Time zones around the universe'. . I am a simple fellow, I do prefer a simple answer, a simple 'Ten past three' would do . . (even if your answer would be wrong in half an hours time, or if someone from Thailand was listening in. . . )

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Everything can be improved. It is my fast, far from perfect solution. I have seen AdSense function on much worse sites. Some of them may even be produced by article Bots (Bots that surf the web, collect content and produce manipulated content for other Bots). And this was not a site review, but asking for help why AdSense does not function on some of my sites hosted on three different Ip's and happening at the same time.

1. Is it done automatically by the AdSense algorithm?
2. Is it done manually by Google personel?
3. Is there a man in the middle or competitor that don't like my sites lobbying to Google personel?
4. Don't Google like my independent story about pay per static brand link (of course with the rel="nofollow" attribute to please Google)? Somebody at WPW (WebProNews) that remember "Google's translated message" that "business is war"
   
   "Translation, partly based on .gov/.edu response: Google treats all top level domains the same, so a .org would have no more juice than a .com or .info. Further, clearly marked paid links (ones on pages labeled “Advertising”) are not necessarily violations of Google’s guidelines. If the links you reported were found to be nofollow links, then no action would be necessary. But keep trying to sabotage the competition. Business is war".
   
   or may be business is trying to monopolize the web's advertising model? I may file a complaint depending on how this story develops. I have seen large companies like AT & T be broken up after similar complaints.

Cryptic Tubby. Can you explain.

Thank you very much Tubby. You are the only member that has given an answer to this serious subject. I appreciate that very much.

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It could well be due to the amazon ads that also show up there that look similar to adsense ads,

https://www.google.com/adsense/suppo...n&answer=48182

The thought has struck me, but there is a difference in my view. I think I have seen that combination on other sites.

Thank you for the link. I shall study it when this historical inauguration has come to an end.

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Kgun said
"I have seen AdSense function on much worse sites"

Ggun, my definition of 'function' is a bit more than displaying ads.
If no one clicks on an ad and you do not get paid - it does not function.

My site is similar to yours in one respect. People arrive at my classifieds pages to get referred to somewhere else. an email address, a web page etc. AdSense returns to me around 1cent per page view.

I do not know if this is a good figure or a poor one. I never see what other publishers get in return for their effort. But I do think 1cent per page view (from adsense) is target able for your site. (with a slightly more selfish approach)


1 Is it done automatically by the AdSense algorithm?
Yes.
2 Is it done manually by Google personel?
NO. This may occur in an exceptional circumstance (does not apply)
3 Is there a man in the middle or competitor that don't like my sites lobbying to Google personel?
Don't Google like my independent story about pay per static brand link (of course with the rel="nofollow" attribute to please Google)? Somebody at WPW (WebProNews) that remember "Google's translated message" that "business is war"
Your Neurosis is showing Kgun.

Amazon?. . just another example of your 'over-targeting'...

kgun. we all build our sites, with a large input from our personality. I myself ignore recommendations about design and SEO because they conflict with my personality. I am happy with the end result.
Kgun, Your site reflects your personality, this is good. You will most likely ignore any suggestion that conflicts with your personality. I do hope that this thread will enable you create a solution via an indirect route. (an observation)

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My definition on this is:

1. That the ads is shown in the format I choose in my AdSense account. To make it more precise. If I have chosen a 10 cm wide format, I don't expect it to be shown 5 cm wide.
2. If I have chosen real ads in my account, I don't expect the ads to be non paid charity ads in still another format.

Tubby, I appreciate that input, but it is still not a site review. Your input is valuable though.

In sum: I signed up with AdSense and

1. Choose different AdSense ads.
2. In specific styles and formats.
3. It functions and there is original written content and semantic links on the sites.
4. After a while I get another service / commodity if you prefer that degrades my sites in stead of giving me AdSense income. The sites would simply have been better without the AdSense code on them.

If you have time, read:

Pay per static brand link a better solution for professional publishers.

where the problem is explained in greater detail.

Because of the experience explained in that short article, I will use three ad models on my sites with providers that accept that:

1. Syndicated mini site within my sites, e.g. companies that target the Scandinavian market. I understand the language.
2. Pay per static brand link. Direct agreement with the advertiser. There are some out there. These links sould be tagged on pages where GoogleBot is disallowed or the link could have the rel="nofollow" attribute on them.
3. Automatic ad's from a reliable stable provider.

Ok.

Looking at my different sites and where it happens, I think that algorithm needs improvement:

1. Sending an email that there is something wrong with your sites. If that is not fixed, ( I can help Google with the programming if their programmers are not able to do it).
2. The ad will stop functioning.

TradeDoubler, Commision Junction and LinkShare do that. So in this regard they are better.

My main reason for using AdSense on my site was

1. That I could use the same tracking Id on all sites / pages
2. I could use a template with that code and
3. The ad's on the site were adapted to the content on the site.
4. That ad was fairly stable until Google started splitting there ad's with their own Affiliate services. Google referrer ads stopped functioning. It was possible to live with that.
5. It is not possible to live with an Ad provider that automatically change ad format and ad service without warning. It destroys my eProperty. My site would simply look better without the Google AdSense Ads.
6. Do you think Google read this thread? Yes, they do and
7. They are silent.
8. I have 20 years of experience as an economist from the Central Bank of Norway and as a client service reporting specialist from a large international company, Skandia. Google employees are good programmers and the have been a great media company so long. In my view their customer relation management have to be improved. A serious international company can not respond the way Google did on my email. A response with a broken link and link to two external sites with not formal response. At least that is my opinion, but times may have changed.

Great advice Tubby, I shall try to improve on that and hopefully in some years, If I keep my health, you can say:

kgun: yes you could

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1. Did you specifically think of the Amazon search box? Personally I don't see that search box as a competitor to the Google search box. Any other opinion?
2. Or do you think the Amazone and Google ad format are too similar? My own judegement was that it is not.
3. And I have no illusion that it will be automatically detected if I change the site.
4. I have no illusion of being able to get in contact with Google if I change it.
5. I think I will start to by eliminating Google AdSense code on all my Norwegian sites. A badly decorated Christmas three with affiliate ads that earn money is better. Tradedoubler + Dell is an example of a good combination. I can do more of that.

Chandrika and Tubby thank you for taking the time to answer.

This was not a business war or hidden agenda against Google. I had no other option than ask here and I am still the owner of a small independent company with very limited resources.

Email pop up telling that my C++ Builder 2009 is ready for download has arrived. No time to look back. (The rest of my life) is too short to use time on some people and companies.

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Kgun said
"Looking at my different sites and where it happens, I think that algorithm needs improvement"

Maybe. . But i think this might fall a little outside your jurisdiction. (better to work with the system as it is rather than conjure up an imaginary system)

Kgun, I understand your post was not asking for site review. . I just think the layout and many aspects of the page affects the google adverts and those visitors that should click on them.

You choose aspects of google technicalities that you dislike and dream of re-writing Googles program... Then ignore the basic systems that adsense has already delivered to solve your problems.

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Things at Adwords are less good than they were. Kgun is right. You do not get the same level of support you got -say- two years ago.

Also, recently my Adsense income went down. To zero. Now it is has climbed back somewhat. But following a recent change -recommended by Google- I find that the same income generating clicks are shown on four different channels, even though only one of them is a genuine report. And I only get credited with one of them.

There seems to be something a bit poorly with Adsense at the moment! Maybe it needs a Beecham's Powder?

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Martinscholes said
"Kgun is right. You do not get the same level of support you got -say- two years ago."

Hmm, I have not asked for any adsense support for a good while. So I will not argue with the above statement.

I am currently content with my adsense results. (not saying I would not wish for bigger returns).

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If you really want Adsense to work you need to create content that doesn't satisfy the end goal of the search of the visitor, but still is informative information. (so not like a MFA site)

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My sites are a combination of semantic outbound links (collected since 1995) and content written by myself. It is no more a scraper site than Wikipedia. It is not made for AdSense, but for surfers. The surfer is the boss. AdSense has been part of my automatic Ad model.

Google profit dropping by 68% last quarter. May be Google should start to listen more to independent web masters. There is another story on the front page of Web Master World:

Google Q4 Revenue Up To $5.70 Billion

There you also find the most important AdSense ad thread on the planet:

Webmaster Earns $10 Million Per Year in One Hour Per Day

It is a continuation of the old "How I made a million in 3 months" story by plenty of fishing.

May be the top front page story on WMW posted: 9:45 am on Jan. 22, 2009 (utc 0):

Is Global Crisis a Threat for Adsense advertiser?

should be taken more seriously by the leading internet media company.

Conclusions:

1. I can not personally live with an AdProvider whose next step you are not able to guess and
2. do not warn you about the consequence of algorithmic changes or things that should be improved on your site before the Ad's stop functioning.
3. If the company is not able to send an automatic warning, they should be able to make the ad code invisible on the effected pages.
4. A serious (excuse the word) provider would give you a warning that you have to fix the problem or the code will stop tracking ads.
5. What does an AdProvider await of web masters with 1 000 of pages and n (>=1) sites? What if you happen to be on holiday?
6. Personally, I prefer static (rotating) banners in fixed format and color under my (the publishers) control.
7. The AdSense code functioned for months and years on my sites, then suddenly not on a lot of them on three different Ip's in different countries.
8. But it functions on some of the inner pages, but not on the home page.
9. For example, it functions (at least today) on the inner page of the site in the above link: Site navigate to SMO in the navigation field just below the Google search box.U
10. Personally, I do not see the big difference between the home page and the inner page. To $5.70 Billion

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I had done a bit of research into whether it was ok to show adsense and amazon ads and there did not seem to be a clear consensus at all, with some saying they did and it was ok, some saying that when they did they lost the adsense and got public service ads.

If there is some fine line then I would say that the amazon ads that are displayed on your site are very similar in appearance to adsense type ads and the adsense block is shown beneath the amazon block, which are very similar styles, so I do think that they might have put the public service ads for that reason based on that TOC. But I can only guess.

I think that you would get a reply if you directly contact adsense support, they do have a limited email support, but your particular topic is covered in the options when sending an email via
https://www.google.com/adsense/suppo...aq&medium=link

If you check the "ad trouble shooting" box, you then get the option to check "seeing public service ads", then when you click continue you get the opportunity to fill in all the specifics and send directly to adsense support.

Only they can really answer you and although they encourage people to use the google blog and other members to assist each other for most topics, when there is something you are not getting an answer to, they do say to contact them direct and I am pretty sure you will get a reply from someone who can tell you exactly what the problem is.

I have started to delete AdSense code. There is no problem finding Ad providers.

My main reason for using AdSense, ease of use, have changed dramatically. Commission Junction, LinkShare and TradeDoubler give you, as a general rule, a warning and reason why links will stop tracking. There have been some ugly exceptions described in greater detail on my AdSchoolworld dot com site. What if I was on a 2 months holiday?

Random behavior, that is actually the worst. I have the impression that a random sample of my pages have been selected where the AdSense code stops tracking as they did some weeks back.

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The problem Google might like to address is that if they are messing it up for publishers, they are also messing it up for advertisers. There could be someone who wants to advertise to the Scandinavian marketplace, but if Google annoy Kgun so much that he feels it necessary to remove Adsense from his websites, then the advertiser is not being well served by Google. And may well need to approach Kgun direct, cutting out Google.

If someone from Google is reading this, may I suggest you get your systems sorted out? Before someone else introduces an advertising platform that does what Adwords/Adsense used to do for publishers and advertisers? And takes business away from you...

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And I wonder whether there is a scientific study of how and where advertisers money are spent and the rate of return on that spending. With static brand links that is easy to track. I have seen enough of sites (I am not talking about sites with adult content) with AdSense code on them that I personally would not link to.

Google have some very good services ordered according to my personal priority:

1. The native organic search engine. I still see no better on the horizon.
2. Google earth.
3. YouTube.
4. Gmail.

But Google are as far as I know much more dependent on a single service, web advertising, than some of their competitors, first and foremost Microsoft and should be very careful. I can also like the rel="nofollow" attribute on traded links.

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excellent information.

• Hopefully of help.
• Hopefully informative for small companies with limited resources.

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I earned 1 cent on Sunday, and 1 cent today with Adsense. With no clickthroughs on either day.

Something is not right with adsense.

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I fully agree:

1. Where are your ads shown? You can't control it.
2. Dating site making millions. WMW ad for AdSense? I only ask.
3. I still go for static brand links (AdSense code not functioning on that site), so there may be someone not liking that model. What is the obvious advantages? The advertiser know (s)he gets a static brand link, hopefully on a professional site. The supplier have full control of the code. The link should occupy a fixed static area, but content can of course change.
4. I wrote above that it seemed to me that Google took a random sample of my sites where AdSense code does not function properly. On a deeper study, It is in my opinion far from random. The code does not function on two of my best sites, last link in my signature and DigitalStart.net: The starting point for English speaking surfers and webmasters that web masters have thanked me for.
5. You can fool some people all the time, you can fool all the people some time, but you can't fool all the people all the time.
6. I once thought, AdSense is a great model. You can use the same code on all your sites and the Ad fits the content on the page.
7. I don't rely on Google any longer. I have deleted it on the two sites mentioned above, and delete it site by site as I update the site.

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I wonder who else is noticing the weird stuff at Google ASense? It is not working properly. But only Google/AdSense can fix it.

But as Kgun has pointed out, as you can no longer get support from Google AdSense.

There is, even in the current financial situation, a great deal of money to be made in online advertising.

Will someone step forward and create a working system that puts the right adverts on the right websites, which provides support for advertisers and publishers?

It would need to be someone who can bankroll the operation in the first year or so. Who? Microsoft? If Microsoft really stepped into the online advertising arena, they could really give Google one hell of a run for their money.

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The code seems to be tracking correctly know.

In some sites, in the root folder, I had a robots.txt file with the following code line:

disallow: /

When I deleted that line, the code started to track again. But one thing I don't understand is that the code functioned on sub folders of the same site so I am still unsure that the deletion of the mentioned line was the final reason.

Since everything seems ok now, the thread can be deleted.

Personally, though I don't mind if it is not. So I leave it to the moderators / site admin to decide.

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wow quite some info packed on this thread regarding adsense and regarding maintain the site.