First of all - apologies for shamelessly ripping off this idea from the following post:-

http://www.webproworld.com/google-ad...e-project.html

There are a number of differences to this post though...

• I have one reasonably well established domain / couple of subdomains.
• I get a fair amount of traffic already.
• My sites are definitely NOT MFA sites (and I am not saying that the ones in the other post ARE MFA sites by the way).
• I am less optimistic about how much I can earn and how much effort it will take.

Is there much interest in a detailed post / blog about this at all?

Does anyone have any advice about how much info I can safely publish without incurring the wrath of Google?
(I know they don't allow publishing of CTR - so if I published page views per month along with earnings - would this amount to the same thing?)

Is there any point to doing any of this - or will it just be counterproductive and construed 'bragging' (although what I make at present is NOT anything to brag about considering how much work I have put into it in my spare time).

Do you all promise not to shoot me down in flames / misconstrue any comments I make?

Give me some feedback and maybe I'll get the ball rolling in the near future...

Thanks.

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I'd be interested in seeing what you can do. I know that so far AdSense hasn't played any sort of significant part of my 'net income

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I think I saw one of your sites and they´re not very suitable for your adsense project.

In order for an adsense link to be clicked on they need to be useful for the visitor.
In order for adsense links to be useful to the visitor, he needs to be looking for something to buy (because most adsense links offer products or services).
In order to atract visitors that are looking for something to buy, you need to have the right type of website.

It all comes back to what type of website you have.

A product review site for example will be likely to have a decent CTR to obtain your goal. But if your offer exactly what the visitor is looking for he has no reason to click on adsense and he won't,.... no matter how much you throw the ads in his face.

And unforntunately for you, those types of sites require a lot of work,.

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I'd be very interested to see a blog or some posts about the results. I am definitely not an expert, as my (lack of) success in getting paid for clicks proves (not a significant share of my revenue either). I would really like to see what someone else, with a slightly larger budget could do.

I think anyone looking at photos or backgrounds (the sites linked at the bottom of your post) could attract people who might purchase books, videos, or other memorabilia that relate to Ireland or Canada, etc. Possibly they might also click to find other types of screen savers or other computer "utilities", etc, etc, etc.

If you try it, please tell us about it.

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John.

I am a Toronto lawyer who is been in industry for many years and two years ago I returned to the practice of law full time. Obviously the major question was how to obtain clients and in less than two years my practice exceed most lawyers who have practiced for ten or more years. You can obviously do a search for me on the internet and will find that I have over 2000 blogs that brings me more clients I ever imagined. I am interested what you are doing and would like to learn more on some type of mutually satisfactory basis. If interested please conact me at irvingsolnik@lawyer.com or (416) 932-8509. You can even search google, yahoo and msn for the "best torontolawyer" without the quotation marks as well as searching for me personally. If interested please contact me.

Irving Solnik

PS-I am grossing over $500,000.00 yearly at present and anticipate that it will double or even triple within another year or so.

Irving Solnik

I've started using adsense about 6 months ago on the demo section of our website and by the god's grace, its making up about $1500 a month.

Good luck to you as well...!

Sincerely,

Ajay Chadha (Director)
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Thanks for the feedback so far...

Peter - I agree 90% with what you are saying (oh how I wish I had started an electronic gadget review web site years ago! - not only would adsense work well but 'Auction Ads' probably would too.. )

But I still think it is possible to achieve the goal from my current web sites (mainly Free Northern Ireland Photos / Desktop Backgrounds / Wallpaper ) - although I am under no illusions that it will be easy, and I will almost certainly need to pay for more than 300 GB Bandwidth per month (mostly because my images are free to download and there are no restrictions on hotlinking).

One thing I know for certain I can disclose is overall earnings for May - $520 (although this was my best month so far by a good bit and looks like June earnings will be down a bit..) - and if you added up the time I have spent so far in my spare time then I have been working for a lot less than the minimum wage so far....

Before I post much more - I would feel a lot happier to have a response to the email below sent to adsense support:-

I am considering posting to forums / blogging about my adsense earnings..

As I understand it - it is OK to state exact earnings. But after extensive searching - I am still about exactly what else I can disclose...

i.e.

Can I disclose the earnings of specific URLs or only site wide earnings during a specific period?
Can I disclose number of visits during that period?
Can I disclose number of page views during that period?

Does anyone know if this is at all likely in the near future?
(I have searched the internet (including official adsense stuff) in vain for a concrete answer to the above questions...).

Thanks.

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I've been watching your project with keen interest. Did you give up on it ? When I just went to your main home page again it said "no posts" matched inquiry. Just thought you'd want to know if nothing else.

Good luck!

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Sorry - I think you meant to comment on the '$30000' rather than the '$3000' post??

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Got a reply from the Adsense team:-

Hello Jordan,

Thank you for your email.

You are welcome to disclose information about your gross earnings with
AdSense. However, we ask that you please refrain from disclosing other
account information, including but not limited to, page views, number of
clicks, and your click-through rate.

We appreciate your cooperation.

For additional questions, I'd encourage you to visit the AdSense Help
Centre ( Google AdSense Help Center ), our complete resource
centre for all AdSense topics. Alternatively, feel free to post your
question on the forum just for AdSense publishers: the AdSense Help Group
( AdSense Help | Google Groups ).

Sincerely,

Siobhán
The Google AdSense Team

This does sort of tie your hands ever so slightly....

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In my experience, if you want to make money of Adsense (but not through an MFA (Made For Adsense) site) it´s simply a number game. More pages means more visits means more clicks means more money.

Optimizing for those couple of phrases that will bring in visitors by the hundreds of thousands,.... little chance.

It´s all about content. And make sure it´s not MFA. (i.e. nonsense content without any real value)

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Peter - you are right about it being difficult to corner the market for popular search terms on the google 'web' results.

But this is not the case on google 'Image' results. e.g. look at the following searches and you should see my images come fairly near the top of the search results (the ones with ni-photos.jmcwd.com under them):-

labrador - Google Image Search

ireland - Google Image Search

irish desktop backgrounds - Google Image Search

Bearing in mind the official email from google - I am not allowed to say how many page views etc I get through the above sort of searches but it the vast majority of my traffic - and a significant amount..

NB - I currently have something like 70 pages that have adsense on them, and around 580 photos that are free to download and hot link to.

I have also dabbled with various other affiliate stuff including azoogle, auction ads, calendars.com and a few others - and I have found that at least for my type of web sites - NOTHING comes close to what I can earn with adsense..


Earnings From Adsense (In US Dollars):-

May 2006 - 10
Jun 2006 - 40
Jul 2006 - 57
Aug 2006 - 59
Sep 2006 - 58
Oct 2006 - 121
Nov 2006 - 161
Dec 2006 - 157

Jan 2007 - 215
Feb 2007 - 271
Mar 2007 - 377
Apr 2007 - 375
May 2007 - 525


You should note that I put a LOT of work into taking, categorising, naming, and uploading a LOT of photos a long way prior to May 2006 before starting to try and make money from Adsense.

So it is not like you can upload a few photos and get good earnings the next week.

NB - I have also found that when I do upload new photos - it can take 3 months or more before they are picked up by google images.

All my photos are 1024x768 in resolution which makes them acceptable for use as myspace backgrounds / desktop backgrounds by the majority of people. (Bear in mind that about 99% of my visitors have no clue about resolution - so will not be put off by the fact that their monitor is actually 1280x1024 or 1280x800).



Other things to bear in mind when doing this sort of thing:-

You need a host that provides with a LOT of bandwidth - I am with register1.net which currently allows 200GB / month with their VDS pro account.

If you want people to actually look at your page when searching from google images - you need to mess around with .htaccess so that when they click on the link for 'full size image' they are redirected to a similar picture with text asking them to visit the site for a version without the text e.g. :-

http://www.jmcwd.com/redirected-images/sky.jpg




Total amount spent so far:-

Domain name reservations, and hosting account for 3 years = approx $800
Paint Shop Pro 8, + Upgrade to PSP X = approx $90
Namo Web Editor = approx $90
NB I dont recommend Namo at all - you can achieve the same results for free with PSPAD and FileZilla - but please make donations if you use them.
Fuji s9500/s9000 Camera + filters, memory etc = approx $900
NB - you can now buy the new version - the S9600/s9100 which is even better for approx $520 - which I DO recommend..
Total Outlay = Approx $2000

Errr.. now I add it up - that is a lot more than I had thought... But hey - I would have got the camera anyway regardless if I ever did a web site or not...

OK - this post is getting a bit long now.

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Looks good!

This is the kind of information that is helpful to the visitors of this forum!

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Jordan,

Just my opinion but any website that is good enough to make solid earnings from AdSense probably could make even more without using AdSense ads. Yes use them on my blog now, but they are there as more of just a filler. My blog isn't there exactly to produce revenue but more of communication tool with people in the industry. Using them on real websites selling products/services doesn't make much sense to me.

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Incredible... I am sure you are 100% correct.

But the the reason I am going down the Adsense / organic results route is - it is completely hassle free...

I COULD go down the route of setting up an online shop, printing, framing, shipping photos and using Adwords to market them - but that would be a lot of extra work, investment and hassle..

I think that certainly as a part time money making exercise - the Adsense route makes sense at least so far.... I'll be sure to keep you all informed if this changes!

Thanks.

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I have started a blog on this topic at :-

Making Money Online From Photos

I will come back here at least once a month also - and post updates..

Thanks.

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I make 7 bucks a month on my adsense projects - im RICH! seriously though, i get about 70 hits a month of my one site and make very little cash - it would be nice to make $1500 as the other posted claimed...

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Hi.

For along time - I made less than that from my main photo web site...

You have to have to put in a lot of time and effort to get a LOT more traffic before you can start earning proper beer money...

I'll be posting my June earnings soon (looking very similar to May at present).

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The go9500i website was down for a couple days. There was database trouble after an upgrade. It has since been fixed.

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Great post and information. Makes me wish that I had done more along these lines when I first started.

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Adsense Earnings update for June 2007 - $524.

Traffic down slightly from May - but there is one day less in June and some people have started going on their holidays I guess...?


cutiger95 - thanks.

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Earnings for July = $755

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The only thing we can do is to keep our sites filled with content that WE would like to see if we visited a website.

MFA websites are appalling in general. They help nobody, in the end. Not even the people who run them.

I somehow feel that getting rich is not going to happen any time soon. But so long as the integrity of what we do is kept high, well... getting rich can wait for a while!

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Earnings for August 2007 = $811

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Looks like you´re going up every month. Can you tell what you are doing to get this increase? Or is it just happening and you don't know why?

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Peter,

errr.. mostly (though I cant really prove it with the stats that I have) - my earnings are going up as I am getting more visitors, who mostly find my site through google image search.

I will keep posting more in depth info at Make Money From Photos Online for anyone who is interested...

Probably next month (now I have google analytics sorted out almost to my liking) - I'll be able to post a more informative update...

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Just looking at the adsense ads one can almost "not help but to click on some of them". The first ad below the rabbit - "submit your photos and get paid" (or something like that) is a rather strong enticement to take a look. The myspace page has some really good "click on me ads".

IMO I think you have strong ads coming up that really invite a click. I think you nailed the ad placement also. If the "search" isn't producing get rid of it. I don't think the referrals module does much so if that's not producing maybe axe that too. Looks like you're doing very well and hope it only gets better for you.

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Well done! Just goes to show that hard work does pay off.

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What I see is that his adsense ads just appear to flow normally on the page.
Excellent layout.

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Thanks all for the comments.

I will probably remove the adsense for search box shortly (the only reason I say probably is because it allows you to open the search in a new window so you are less likely to lose visitors than if it opened in the same window).

But I will leave the referrals as they are currently only on pages where there would otherwise be blank space, and I think they will do much better coming up to the xmas period...

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First 7 days earnings for September 2007 = $285. Earnings have increased more than visits. Might be a blip - or maybe people pay more for adverts outside of the holidays?

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This might be a dumb question, but where are the ads?

Click on the first link in my signature - and you cant really miss them (only exception is the index page where you have to scroll down a bit to see the first adverts (I didn't want to put people off too much before they had even got past the first page....)

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Adsense 'Earnings' Not 'Earnigns' for Sept 2007 :-

1091 US Dollars

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too bad the dollar plummeted against the euro

Just kidding. Read through your project here and I will be following it with interest.

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Man, 93'000 visitor a month. If I ever got just 3000 a month I think my site would go down.

Where would I ask how 93k visitors is possible?

This posting has incited me to action. I happen to trade online in leather products and had pulled a name leather-directory.com which I did nothing with. Its a parked godaddy domain name. I didn't know if I was going to develop it or sell it, but this should be a nice experiment. I just bought the cheap $3.99 per month hosting account which is pending setup and set up the Google AdSense account. As far as I know there is absolutely NO traffic going into the site as of today.

So do I have a better chance at AdSense millions or should I just keep hoping for Park Place and Boardwalk on the back of the McDonald's french fry box?

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Thanks for the comments.....

To get that many visitors you have to give away LOADS of stuff free that there is demand for, AND you have to make it extremely easy for people to find on the Search Engines - it is as simple as that!

But you still have to put a LOT of work into it - it is not a get rich quick scheme, that is for sure!...

NB - I am in the UK so the dollar gets converted to Pounds Sterling (GBP) - but this is every bit as bad as the Euro at present with regards to conversion rates - but not to worry - I am planning on getting my own back soon when I visit Florida and get a great exchange rate!

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Yes, no doubt, UK pound is just as strong vis-a-vis the dollar. Last time I went to Florida I saw a lot of people from the UK there.

Threw up a one page website just to get the ball rolling. I'm just going to turn it into an informative website about the different brands and also use it to post wholesale trade leads. So, I figure I'm going to make it into something that I would find useful. It'll be my first fun project that I have undertaken since I have started.

Signed up for Adsense and thought I was a go on it, but when I logged into the account, it does appear I have to go through some sort of human/manual approval process which they say can take up to a week.

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I never thought that would be a quote from you,..

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I *hope* I am not getting a reputation as a 'Get Rich Quick' guru!

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Why not?

I would definitely listen to such a Guru.

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OK, OK - I will henceforth be know as the 'Get Rich Very Slowly Guru' !

(Particularly since earnings are down so far in October)

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If it is at an exponential real (inflation adjusted) growth rate > 2 (that is what you may expect from long term passive investment in the stock market), I may still listen to you.

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In the last four months you achieved an average of 28% increase PER MONTH, which makes about 1800% cumulative yearly growth.
If you continue in that pace - Gates should be afraid, very afraid.

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Impossible? You just underestimate the time.

He need not worry - Earnings are down significantly in October so far!

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Hm, known story. Big G's logic strikes again.

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That is far from a sustainable rate. With that increase he would soon have the earth's global fortune except my 2 cents But that is impossible, since he has to share his profit with Google that takes a larger part of the profit.

From another WPW thread (the link in your first post):

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Do you sell Christmas photo cards? Or e-Christmas photo cards?

If not, this might make a good Christmas earner.

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