The $3000 per month Google Adsense Project... - Page 5

jordanmcclements · #**201** (**permalink**) 09-24-2008, 12:44 PM

Traffic is back up again this month after the summer hols, so I should be looking at somewhere near $750 for September...

I am also starting to use Google Ad Manager to serve Adsense ads, which *I think* means when someone clicks on and Adsense ad, it will now open in a new window / tab which *should* mean when a visitor has finished visiting an advert they clicked on, they can close the window, and still be on my site!.

I haven't fully implemented this yet - but will do soon - and will keep you all updated...

jordanmcclements · #**202** (**permalink**) 10-01-2008, 08:38 AM

September 2008 = $745

**cw1865** · #**203** (**permalink**) 10-01-2008, 12:13 PM

Looks like your numbers head up more as the weather cools off and more people stay inside. I see the same thing too. Cold/Lousy weather is better for business!

jordanmcclements · #**204** (**permalink**) 10-01-2008, 12:16 PM

Definitely - Summer last year saw a big slump in traffic also - so it was not anything I did myself to kill off traffic during the summer...

$3000 is still a LONG way off though..

I'll still be posting on this thread when I am retired!

**cw1865** · #**205** (**permalink**) 10-01-2008, 12:54 PM

I think your equation here is simple, more content = more traffic = more click thrus.

With your current website we had previously discussed trying to further monetize the traffic with an affiliate links to give you some commisions.

At some juncture, you're going to hit the point of 'diminishing marginal returns' where no matter what effort you put into the website it just isn't going to produce any more traffic.

When I was first beginning, I hit this point and finally I gave up and just started building more websites and so far that strategy has been largely successful.

In your instance, there are natural 'extensions' to your current content. You are in a better position to analyze what they are, but essentially your website gives away nice photos of Ireland and you're hoping that people are interested enough in the ads posted on it to click thru. So far that is generating a respectable stream of cash flow.

Natural extensions of this would be (MAYBE), county specific websites, ie. photos of the famous 'Ring of Kerry' or 'County Cork' - websites explaining the origin of Irish surnames - perhaps Irish history generally, or maybe even a website giving a short biography of each MP of the Irish Parliament.

To do this I think you should seek a host that provides monthly hosting (cheap) for an unlimited number of domains.

jordanmcclements · #**206** (**permalink**) 10-01-2008, 12:58 PM

Thanks for the feedback...

In actual fact - 'Irish / Ireland' related traffic is quite a small percentage overall for irishviews.com...

Basically, (to over simplify a bit) - if I put up a picture of a blue widget - and it looks nicer than other pictures of blue widgets that are already available in a google image search, then (eventually) - I get a lot of traffic from people searching for that particular picture.

So in theory I can go on indefinitely adding new pictures (it doesn't have to be Irish). Although I do understand that huge sites end up having a lower eCPM than smaller ones in general....

Martinscholes · #**207** (**permalink**) 10-05-2008, 08:07 PM

My hits have started to go down again, having gone up quite a bit.

Oh well. Have to keep on plugging at it.

Peter (IMC) · #**208** (**permalink**) 10-05-2008, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jordanmcclements

Definitely - Summer last year saw a big slump in traffic also - so it was not anything I did myself to kill off traffic during the summer...

$3000 is still a LONG way off though..

I'll still be posting on this thread when I am retired!

So you know that,... and you´re doing what exactly to do something about this?

You know that from an Adsense optimization point of view, you did just about everything that can be done. So it's time to think about the next step. Actually you should have been thinking about that next step a long time ago already. But you seem to be more focused on thinking of reasons why you can't grow.

Think about this for a while. If you really understand it, you can put it behind you and get to work to reach that $3000 goal. Right now the only way for you to get to that point is inflation. (Which will take you about 35 years at 4% inflation.)

It is a typical way of thinking by the way. Not trying to put you down or anything, but most people will reason things towards the point where it is better not to take "the risk". You´re an entrepeneur, you should know better than to apply that same reasoning on to yourself. Leave the dumb "do nothing" reasoning to others and let them envie you when you reached your goal.

Stop "wining" and start taking the actions (risks) needed to get to your goal!

**cw1865** · #**209** (**permalink**) 10-05-2008, 08:31 PM

I'm in Peter's camp on this one. Remember a .300 hitter in baseball makes an out 70% of the time!

kgun · #**210** (**permalink**) 10-05-2008, 09:16 PM

Here is my view and 4 year experience. Online advertising and a better solution for professional publishers.

My experience. Very difficult for a company from a small non-English speaking country with a relatively high wage level to make money on AdSense or affiliate networks generally.

May be I had been better off if I had used the time I have used at WPW on my providers networks. I am far from convinced.

Peter (IMC) · #**211** (**permalink**) 10-06-2008, 09:08 AM

Ireland speaks english too, well,.. I'm sure the english don't agree

but it's still english.

In my experience it has more to do with the size of the country. People in small countries usually have a more difficult time to think big like americans are used to. Also the fact that in europe every country speaks another language doesn't help much. You can't target the all of europe with 1 language.

kgun · #**212** (**permalink**) 10-06-2008, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter (IMC)

In my experience it has more to do with the size of the country. People in small countries usually have a more difficult time to think big like americans are used to. Also the fact that in europe every country speaks another language doesn't help much. You can't target the all of europe with 1 language.

Yes that is my point, and may be the reason why PPC is not so popular here. In my view advertisers should think more about branding and pay per static brand link.

Irish publishers are in a much better situation than Norwegian. They have a natural UK / US market as their target. And Brazilian publishers with a large Portuguese and Spanish speaking market should have a great potential.

Our wage level is so high at present, that you have to have millions of hits / month to make any money on those ad's.

So my Scandinavian model is a direct agreement and pay per static brand link.

Today, I changed the heading of my article to:

Pay per static brand link a better solution for professional publishers.

Peter (IMC) · #**213** (**permalink**) 10-06-2008, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kgun

Yes that is my point, and may be the reason why PPC is not so popular here. In my view advertisers should think more about branding and pay per static brand link.

Irish publishers are in a much better situation than Norwegian. They have a natural UK / US market as their target. And Brazilian publishers with a large Portuguese and Spanish speaking market should have a great potential.

Our wage level is so high at present, that you have to have millions of hits / month to make any money on those ad's.

So my Scandinavian model is a direct agreement and pay per static brand link.

Today, I changed the heading of my article to:

Pay per static brand link a better solution for professional publishers.

Completely depends on what market you´re targeting. There are markets where you can make good money with Adsense and at high values per click. It's not all 4 cent per clicks markets. There are markets that pay whole euro's per click. You just need to find them..

kgun · #**214** (**permalink**) 10-06-2008, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter (IMC)

You just need to find them..

Or AdsenseBot?

Do you think affiliate providers like my model?

Peter (IMC) · #**215** (**permalink**) 10-07-2008, 12:39 AM

Can you give a short summery of your model?

Sorry about that, but I don't have the time to read and try to figure out the whole thing.

kgun · #**216** (**permalink**) 10-07-2008, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter (IMC)

Can you give a short summery of your model?

Stable brand links negotiated directly between the publisher and advertiser.

kgun · #**217** (**permalink**) 10-07-2008, 12:55 AM

Isn't that another word for link selling? Yes it is.

Branding via the link is most important though. The link is stable for a negotiated periode and can be nofollowed.

It is also an advantage if the site is known (I wrote professional publishers). An obvious advantage is that the publisher gets control over his own site / eProperty. I have seen ugly broken links on fairly well known sites. You can read more about this in my short article linked to above. The publisher deletes the link when the "branding periode" is not renewed.

Hope that that clear my point. Back to the pure AdSense topic.

Peter (IMC) · #**218** (**permalink**) 10-07-2008, 11:22 AM

Those kinds of links work of course, but there's a difficulty there. In order to get publishers interested in your website, you need to build something of value first. In other words, you need to invest,. time and money. Mostly time usually. That's time spend where you´re not making money. The advantage of Adsense is that you can start right away, and already earn something. And while you´re improving, so will your adsense income.

Also, branding isn't the best thing for business. Many businesses depend on direct marketing strategies. Branding really only works for companies that continuously have to sell to the same people. (or sell to huge amounts of people).

kgun · #**219** (**permalink**) 10-13-2008, 11:29 PM

Note this WMW topic:

Impact of Global Financial Market Chaos on AdSense Revenue.

Related articles:

kgun · #**220** (**permalink**) 10-14-2008, 08:16 AM

Related: Newspapers' Web Revenue Is Stalling

jordanmcclements · #**221** (**permalink**) 10-20-2008, 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter (IMC)

So you know that,... and you´re doing what exactly to do something about this?

You know that from an Adsense optimization point of view, you did just about everything that can be done. So it's time to think about the next step. Actually you should have been thinking about that next step a long time ago already. But you seem to be more focused on thinking of reasons why you can't grow.

Think about this for a while. If you really understand it, you can put it behind you and get to work to reach that $3000 goal. Right now the only way for you to get to that point is inflation. (Which will take you about 35 years at 4% inflation.)

It is a typical way of thinking by the way. Not trying to put you down or anything, but most people will reason things towards the point where it is better not to take "the risk". You´re an entrepeneur, you should know better than to apply that same reasoning on to yourself. Leave the dumb "do nothing" reasoning to others and let them envie you when you reached your goal.

Stop "wining" and start taking the actions (risks) needed to get to your goal!

Thanks Peter....

I just want to point out that I was trying to be humorous / modest rather than defeatist!

I do have a lot of plans in the pipeline, and fully intend to be earning $3000 per month long before I retire!

Martinscholes · #**222** (**permalink**) 10-25-2008, 02:39 PM

Things starting to improve.

Am really getting back on top of updating websites more often, plus I have enabled RSS/Atom feeds on all sites. Hopefully that will help.

Arctic Fox · #**223** (**permalink**) 10-25-2008, 08:48 PM

I've got a small test page I've had up for a year, based on Halloween stuff. I'd like someone's opinion on it - but don't want to just post an open link. Anyone want to PM me?

jordanmcclements · #**224** (**permalink**) 10-27-2008, 11:56 AM

Ah go on.... Post a link here....

NB - adding seasonal stuff to your web site is *extremely* important.

e.g.

Halloween Photos / Wallpaper / Desktop Backgrounds

and

Christmas Photos - Desktop Backgrounds / Wallpaper

Arctic Fox · #**225** (**permalink**) 10-27-2008, 08:10 PM

Well, okay - I'm not spamming guys, and won't post a click-able link.

arctic.ithium.net/halloween

I know I should probably upload free 'stuff' for people, but I've got nothing.

Would really like feedback of any angle. Somehow I came up with that page design and then ran out of creative ideas. I may just copy it to other folders and change them for other popular holidays (replacing the mummy with a tree or something).

Thanks!

jordanmcclements · #**226** (**permalink**) 10-28-2008, 06:07 AM

I am very impressed - that is a really comprehensive 'halloween' layout.

Couple of minor (subjective) points - maybe 'halloween' is one of the few times when it is better to use a black background for a web page?

You could do with some better (larger) pictures.

Here is 'objective' stuff which I know from experience will make a difference - Use more large rectangles with pictures near them, and do away with the skyscraper unit, and put a horizontal link unit near top of page instead of bottom (similar to what I have at irishviews.com).

I am sure you can take some photos yourself this Halloween and make them available for free for a start.

hamonpari · #**227** (**permalink**) 11-01-2008, 12:23 PM

I am sure you are correct. I am not interested to make any money like this, I am RICH by all means. I just make my forum/blog to share information over internet. Links in my Signatures.
Best of Luck

jordanmcclements · #**228** (**permalink**) 11-03-2008, 07:30 AM

You are right - money is very far from being everything...

(But it does help in a lot of circumstances...)

jordanmcclements · #**229** (**permalink**) 11-10-2008, 05:34 AM

oops - forgot to post Adsense earnigns for October 2008 - they were $754.

Traffic was down a wee bit from September.

kgun · #**230** (**permalink**) 11-10-2008, 12:50 PM

But earnigs up?

jordanmcclements · #**231** (**permalink**) 11-10-2008, 12:55 PM

Aye - probably due to me getting slightly less 'Google Image Search' traffic compared to the previous month (Image search traffic tends to be poorer converting in my experience) as I moved some pages around and it take image search *ages* to pick them up again.

Stay tuned for my next earnings statement which will be *massively* down as I have moved my photo web site from a sub domain to its own domain and all my images have now disappeared! See :-

301 Redirect & Google Image Search

For more info...

kgun · #**232** (**permalink**) 11-10-2008, 01:01 PM

My few montly cents have nearly dried in. But finally it is possible to be paid directly to my account from Google and TradeDoubler.

TradeDoubler conversion is not that bad if you use the correct programs.

Those programs are best for publishers in developing countries, because 1 USD has very different purchasing power in a developed and a developing country.

jordanmcclements · #**233** (**permalink**) 11-11-2008, 08:42 AM

Also forgot to mention that the slight increase in earnings was also due to using Google Ad Manager which allows Adsense adverts to open in a new browser window.. (I think)..

**cw1865** · #**234** (**permalink**) 11-11-2008, 03:06 PM

Hey Jordan, How about this for an idea? Risk free.....on your website why don't you solicit donations to support your photography? Put up something to the effect that 'you may use my pictures, but as a 'starving' artist, I appreciate donations, if you use my pictures, please consider donating $5 to me via paypal'

You'll get some people to donate.....

jordanmcclements · #**235** (**permalink**) 11-11-2008, 04:53 PM

He he

It's an idea - it is a bit like begging though...

kgun · #**236** (**permalink**) 11-11-2008, 05:16 PM

I will call it profit maximation. What about Wikipedia? People may find something on your site that they want to pay for. Think of 0.0001 USD from every Chinese citizen

Can there be a negative effect that is greater?

Seemingly not for Wikipedia.

Wikipedia relies on your donations: please give today.
$2,423,870

Our Goal: $6 million

jordanmcclements · #**237** (**permalink**) 11-12-2008, 11:21 AM

mmmmmmm....

Interesting.....

I still think it is not a go-er - as it is difficult enough to get money off people even when you email them a high resolution image for business usage!

But - anyway.. along the same lines, what about:-

https://tipit.to/imageafter.com

I wonder does this work as well as or better than paypal donations.

(I'll ask yer man, tristan from imageafter who is a really nice guy and try and find out)..

('yer' is a colloquialism from Northern Ireland - we say 'Yer Man' as in 'That Man' / 'Your Man')

**cw1865** · #**238** (**permalink**) 11-12-2008, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kgun

I will call it profit maximation. What about Wikipedia? People may find something on your site that they want to pay for. Think of 0.0001 USD from every Chinese citizen

Can there be a negative effect that is greater?

Seemingly not for Wikipedia.

Wikipedia relies on your donations: please give today.
$2,423,870

Our Goal: $6 million

That's right, Jordan, pennies add up to dollars! You can omit the 'starving artist' bit!

jordanmcclements · #**239** (**permalink**) 11-13-2008, 11:04 AM

With regard to tipit (which I am sure works at least as well as a 'paypal donate' button):-

Tristan from image after got back to me and his earnings from that were very disppointing (and they get a LOT more visitors than me) - although he was at pains to point out that they had probably not implemented it in the msot effective manner - and it may be worth looking into... ..

jordanmcclements · #**240** (**permalink**) 11-13-2008, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cw1865

That's right, Jordan, pennies add up to dollars! You can omit the 'starving artist' bit!

I still dont think it is worth spending time on just to get around $2 extra a year (if I'm lucky)..

jordanmcclements · #**241** (**permalink**) 12-01-2008, 08:31 AM

November 2008 Adsense Earnings = $296 !!

This massive drop mostly due to all my images being removed form Google Image Search due to it being to rubbish to understand 301 redirects properly....

Arctic Fox · #**242** (**permalink**) 12-01-2008, 09:56 AM

Wow!

Happy holidays?

**cw1865** · #**243** (**permalink**) 12-01-2008, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jordanmcclements

November 2008 Adsense Earnings = $296 !!

This massive drop mostly due to all my images being removed form Google Image Search due to it being to rubbish to understand 301 redirects properly....

I am sorry to hear that. I suffered a similar fate on an e-commerce site on migration.

Why were you changing the names (urls) of the pages?

It seems that an important lesson with google is that change is good if it isn't too drastic and it isn't too sudden.

What if you just killed the 301 redirects and put the page back in place the way it was. Is it even remotely possible to put 'humpty dumpty' back together again?

jordanmcclements · #**244** (**permalink**) 12-01-2008, 12:31 PM

URLS, image names, EVRYTHING are all identical.

301 is set up and working perfectly for web results.

But Google Image search is a law onto itself...

I guess I'll just have to take the hit and hope it is worth it in the long run.

Here is the related thread:-

301 Redirect & Google Image Search

jordanmcclements · #**245** (**permalink**) 12-01-2008, 12:34 PM

My one tiny piece of consolation in all of this is that GBP has plummeted against the dollar so the GBP I am earning from Adsense payments has not fallen quite as much.

In fact the last payment I got converted from about $750 to 505 GBP ! (Which is not far off the same as I got for $1000 this time last year...)

Maybe I should change this thread name to "The 1500 GBP per month from adsense project"??

**cw1865** · #**246** (**permalink**) 12-01-2008, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jordanmcclements

URLS, image names, EVRYTHING are all identical.

301 is set up and working perfectly for web results.

But Google Image search is a law onto itself...

I guess I'll just have to take the hit and hope it is worth it in the long run.

Here is the related thread:-

301 Redirect & Google Image Search

If the urls of the pages on your website are the same, what exactly are you redirecting?

For instance if you have website.com/page1.html and now you change it to website.com/pagechange.htm well now you would need to do the redirect. My question is - why did you change the name to begin with?

When I migrated I went from an html system to a dynamic website. I could've opted for a system where I could've kept the same urls, but that would've taken too much time (aka 'laziness') and I wound up paying for it.

But I like your comment about the exchange rate making the drop in adsense revenue different in dollar terms than in GBP terms (I think Tubby made a similar comment in another thread)...always look at the bright side....

jordanmcclements · #**247** (**permalink**) 12-01-2008, 12:49 PM

Sorry - everything is identical EXCEPT

ni-photos.jmcwd.com

is now 301 redirecting to

irishviews.com

which is what I should have done from day one instead of having it hosted on a crappy subdomain to save money!

**cw1865** · #**248** (**permalink**) 12-01-2008, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jordanmcclements

which is what I should have done from day one instead of having it hosted on a crappy subdomain to save money!

Penny wise/dollar foolish. Trust me, I've been there, and unfortunately I will continue to go there! Its so easy to perceive the 'penny wise' part, its so hard to perceive the 'future dollar' part. When you start kicking yourself is when you repeat errors (then you should know better). Here you made the initial decision without the benefit of experience.....

jordanmcclements · #**249** (**permalink**) 12-02-2008, 05:08 AM

Agreed...

Arctic Fox · #**250** (**permalink**) 12-14-2008, 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jordanmcclements

My one tiny piece of consolation in all of this is that GBP has plummeted against the dollar so the GBP I am earning from Adsense payments has not fallen quite as much.

In fact the last payment I got converted from about $750 to 505 GBP ! (Which is not far off the same as I got for $1000 this time last year...)

Maybe I should change this thread name to "The 1500 GBP per month from adsense project"??

I don't understand what you're talking about here - could you explain it a bit (for those with limited ForEx education)?

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