It was more of being stupid than anything else. There was not respect deserved.

I think affiliate marketing is the way to go.

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I have started dabbling with affiliate marketing.. Looks like unless you have highly targetted traffic in a profitable niche and/or you resort to questionable tactics - PPA is extremely difficult compared to PPC..

Anyway - here is an update on my Adsense earnings for March 2008 - $797 - an improvement but still a BIG drop in eCPM compared to last September!

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What has been the highest amount made so far?

And have you looked into PPP?

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I have not made ANYTHING with affiliate marketing yet.

The good thing about Adsense is you can paste your code on your page and provided you get enough traffic - you always make SOMETHING.

Last September I made over a thousand dollars compared to 797 in March, even though I only had approx 60% of the number of visitors in September compared to March (and I am even getting more page views per visitor now than I did then).

There have been quite a few threads about decrease in Adsense earnings for the majority of publishers recently...

There are many theories, but you can never know for sure as Big G keep you in the dark as much as possible...

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I messed with the affiliate marketing for one day and made $40.00. I removed the site and have not had the time to get back into it as of yet but plan to try this week to start up again with it.

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I signed up to NetAudioAds - which was supposed to be live in February 2008, but got the following message:-

"We are running about 100,000 ads a day, spread randomly across member sites
as we check out all of our reporting and financial processes.

We expect to be testing ad placements throughout the next two to three weeks
Thank you for your patience."

Still it has potential if you get loads of visitors as it seems you can use it in addition to Adsense.

It may annoy users somewhat, but for me that is not a big problem, as most users dont stick around long anyway after they have gotten whatever free image they were looking for!

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Seems to be live now.

Have pasted the javascript into my site.

Will see how it goes...

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A potential problem with affiliate marketing is that there could be a risk of -maybe subconsciously- adjusting your site to accommodate the kind of people who would be interested in the affiliate offer/s that you have on your site.

One affiliate expert was giving advice which really meant that your site would just be an extension of his site. It sort of reminded me of those Sheep Live Fluke insects that take over the body of an ant turn it into a kind of ant robot and make it walk to the tip of a blade of grass so a passing sheep will eat it and then get into the Sheep's liver.

I can imagine another ant saying: "Well, gosh! It looked like Phil, but he cut me dead!"

And if you allowed the affiliate expert in question to help "monitarise" your website someone might say: "Well, it looks like his website at first but it's not the same any more!"

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Do you think it would be worth the effort to do affiliate marketing for only $1 per sale? What if the item being sold was cheap (about $2) and sold quite well if promoted to the correct market?

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I just started doing some testing a couple days ago, as a matter of fact the site is not even finished yet and it is for a cheap item. I've already made $50.00 and like I said, I've not even started marketing the site yet.

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If you want to try another sometime, please consider mine.

The product is unique and would need to be marketed to people who use Microsoft Outlook. (I believe that is about 300 million potential customers.) If you can reach these people, the product will probably sell quite well.

Microsoft has listed my website as a “Third Party Provider” for Outlook add-ons and my website is ranked very high in popularity. See http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/ma...982801033.aspx - I have two products in the Top 25 this month, #13 and #22. That is pretty good considering there are thousands of other Third Party Providers.

On my website it shows that my affiliate program pays 20%. However, I have increased that to 50% for some of my best affiliates, and I would be willing to offer you 50% as well. As a matter of fact, I will probably change the 20% on my website to 50% pretty soon and just make that the new standard.

50% of two dollars is not very much, but the good news is that most customers buy more than one, and the sales do add up rather quickly.

If you are interested let me know, or you can use the link below to go to the website and join.

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mmmm... this thread seems to have gone off course a bit!

Maybe a new thread is called for?


he he, that is so true. I still feel a bit uncomfortable about affiliate marketing compared to good old fashioned adverts where you are not trying to manipulate the visitor/reader...

But having said that - I would definitely be interested to know how Janeth gets on!

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Yes. Me, too!

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There are a lot if ways to sell something. I am fixing to add some affiliate banners to one of my blogs. The blog post will be there and a banner beside them. There is no manipulating involved.

And there is no manipulating involved in the other site. It says if you want to buy a silicone wristband click here. You are then taken to a page were you can order and purchase a silicone wristband.

If anyone is manipulating anyone it's the sites running the Google adsense. The best way to use Google adsense is to build an ugly site and blend the ads into the site so they do not look like ads.

I've not been able to work with the site anymore in the last couple weeks but hopefully will start using it again this week.

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It would seem to me that Jordan's next logical step would be to somehow incorporate affiliate advertising into his website.

Jordan - you can look at it this way. Right now you are being compensated for the click throughs which is good, but now imagine getting commisions on some of those click throughs as well!

I'm not quite sure what your website would be a good fit for in the affiliate arena.

Janeth - I need some good affiliates, if you're interested, PM me....

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I just run 20 news sites and have articles and news items on them.

Affiliate adverts might tend to get in the way. Actually, I recall that I DO have one affiliate ad on one site. Not done anything, so far.

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Janeth, sorry - I did not mean to imply that you were a sleazy affiliate who manipulates visitors to your own nefarious ends.. I meant that, in the majority of cases, it seems to me that to make decent money from affiliate sales - you do sometimes need to persuade visitors that "It really is in your own best interests to purchase this amazing info product (which contains nothing new or unique or anything that cant be found for free with a bit of searching) which can be yours for the fabulous price of 49.97!"

With regards to putting aff. advertising on my web site - I tried it and it didn't work (not the right niche I guess). Currently I am trying Chitika in any spare space I have, and have replaced the 3rd adsense box on my pages with chitika mini malls - so far this is going reasonably well (a LOT better than any affiliate stuff I have tried)..

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How is the Amazon doing? oppps that's chinka on 2nd look ,wouldn't make more sense to run straight Amazon?

You did a great job of framing the adsense. Did you ever split test the ads to see if any were doing better than the others?

I was surprised to see the green urls.

Are you a little concerned on the placement of that top text ad I am always nervous to have them that tight and actually after testing I am thinking of removing them all together on my site.

Keep up the good work I hope you meet your goal.

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Chitika is my second highest earner (good bit behind adsense - but better than anything else I have tried so far).

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So, I suppose it is OK to use Chitika AND Google adwords at the same time?

I am thinking of using Chitika on some of my sites

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Short answer, yes. Unless you go out of your way to turn on 'contextual targeting' on your Chitika ads.

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I duplicated the affiliates site and put my content on it. http://www.ranked1.net

If you click a link that implies you are ready to make a purchase you end up on the affiliate site where you would make the purchase. However if you click a link looking for information you stay on my site.

The site is far from being finished but has made almost $200.00 so far this month. Not bad for a new site that is not yet finished.

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Janeth, looks good.

I like it when someone else does the hard work of processing the orders etc!

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I like it a lot as well. The site is doing about $50.00 per day at this moment however I am building a new site and will be redirecting the old site to the new site once I finish.

I am hoping this move will put me over the $100.00 per day mark.

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Anyway, I forgot to post my Adsense earnings for April 2008 :-

$693 (more like $750 if I had not replaced one adsense unit with Chitika as a test).

(Make Money From Photos Online: April 2008 Earnings (Mostly Adsense)

But I am hoping that May will be more like $900.

I am also thinking about cheating a wee bit and changing this thread to be 'The $3000 per month from advertising project' (which might be a bit easier in the long run).....

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By the way - I tried the above on one of my pages that had a very poor eCPM as it was showing ads which were not really relevant, and I have to say that it took a good while for the changes to be picked up - but once they were, it made only a very small difference to the adverts displayed, and it actually seems to have reduced my eCPM a bit (or maybe this is just a coincidence - it is very hard to tell).

At any rate what I can say without ambiguity - is that, for me at least, it has not been an outstanding success!

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May 2008 Earnings - $800.

Sheesh - this is hard work!

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1. It is there to guide GoogleBOT.
2. It may take time as you have noticed.
3. I doubt it will reduce your eCPM if it is done correctly. May be you have to experiment a little to optimize the code.
4. Why has Google made the "tool" if it does not have any positive effect?

Did you get the last letter from the AdSense team about third party Ad's. I don't know if that is relevant to you.

Inside AdSense: Introducing third-party ads on the Google content network

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I should be going over $1,000.00 this month with the affiliate site.

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Kgun, thanks. Re the <!-- google_ad_section_start -->
<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
I think the main problem with my site is that there is very little text on each page to work with. I am sure it would work better on other sites.

Re the 3rd party ads - I had heard about this - but not sure what effect it will have on me - out it this way - I have not seen an increase in eCPM yet!


Janeth, myself and others want to know more! Do you want to start your own thread?

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I agree to that. It is better suited to sites with much text (mixed with markup that is not important for the BOT).

I only got the AdSense newsletter and has not had time to test it myself. So it was only to your information.

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I did $1,000.00 last month with the site and should do about $500.00 this week with the site.

Not what I am wanting but I am getting there.

The problem I've had is in finding other affiliates that I want to work with.

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Janeth,

<title>Native Amazonian Cultures of Peru</title>

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I have no idea what that is?

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Sorry - I was looking at ranked1.net rather than your site..

(Still odd that they would have that as a title!).

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It is my site but which page are you looking at?

And I have already passed the $1,000.00 for this month and should be hitting closer to $3,000.00.

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My bolding.

Native Amazonian Cultures of Peru There must be a reason for that title tag.

Click here to enter site:

That brings you to a new site Silicone Wristbands Custom Silicone Bracelets and Rubber Bracelets

So where has the income been earned?

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The money was earned from the ranked1.net blog. The text is under the header. Someone posted some junk on the blog and it was pulling the title tag from that. But it is fixed now.

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COngrats Janet

SO, how about starting your own thread on how to make $3000 per month on affiliate sales??

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A new neagtive rep point in this thread. Sombody must dislike my posting here.

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Jordan I certainly appreciate you sharing this information. It gives me a good idea of what to expect if I put quite a bit more effort into promoting my site. As right now I've made just $40.19 with google adsense in 6 months and have of course put many hours into the site.

But its fun for me....Thanks again!

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Thanks.

It certainly is not childs play - but it can become addictive - and at some point you may even earn more than the minimum wage !

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I'm now at $2.50 which after the hosting fee means I am still losing money.....

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Per second, hour, day, month or year?

I can give you a hint how you can earn more. Buy a site where you spell the name of a (local) SE incorrectly (better with a letter close to the wrongly spelled character on the key board). Rediret that to a serious site where you have ...

Or sell links that you follow and randomly nofollow the rest.

Like you I have made few cents on following guidelines.

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Per month. Honestly don't really care all that much. Jordan here inspired me to actually open an adsense account, so I threw it onto a site. Right now I have one site in the hole that I am almost ready to develop. wallets-usa.com which now ranks on the first page of msn, so in the interim I may as well have adsense on there. Right now I distribute only regionally (tri-state area, mostly NYC), but would like to distribute nationally as well.

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June Adsense Earnings - $593..

eCPM is up slightly but traffic is WAY down.. (Due to start of summer holidays etc..).

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You know Jordan, gave your site some thought, I think a natural 'add on' to your site might be if you could offer Irish sweaters from the site. Considering the amount that you're getting off of adsense, you'll make a killing (not in July of course).

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All the affiliate stuff and CPA stuff I have tried on my main site have failed miserably so far, so I am not sure selling stuff of any description will ever make me a load of money. Generally, people who come to my site are looking for free images, and not are not prepared to part with any cash whatsoever!

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Ah, worried about the previous failures? I assure you that the number of my failed websites outnumber yours (maybe not!)...and yes, you are correct, the people coming are definitely looking for free images so the click throughs to an Irish sweater site are even more generic than say a search coming in through the term 'sweaters' - Notwithstanding, if you set up a stand alone site, modest product line, it will be in people's heads come Christmas time particularly those visitors who come to your site with Irish ancestry. Nice thing about the Irish sweaters, they're all white, so it limits what you have to stock from the get go. Point being that if you invest in it, you have a minimal investment, if it hits, you make some serious cash, if NOT, then you give the sweaters away for presents.

No guts no glory!

Take all of your uniques multiply by .5% (which is an extremely small conversion rate) and then multiply by $50,$75,$100 (whatever you think the average sale will be). This is a VERY conservative estimate of what you would be grossing.

Its not the difference between say $538 and $700, its more akin to a difference between $538 and $15K. You can't be better positioned, you're sitting in the EU with access to 400 million plus consumers, in an English speaking country, the language spoken by 330 million plus in US & Canada

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