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I have read many times about success stories with google adsense. For example Plentyoffish.com making over $300,000 a month in revenue. A partner of mine and I recently started "The go9500i Project" which is an experiment to find out what it takes to make $30,000 a month minimum in adsense revenue while following Google's rules. Our experiment includes setting up a large network of websites in different industries to get a combined revenue of over $30k.

We are starting out with 82 financial services leads sites along with other sites such as a free image hosting site for MySpace, Free foreclosure listing site, Arcade flash games site, and others.

We setup a dedicated server for this project and our Project Site is located at www.go9500i.com where we are reporting progress and tips as we learn.

The idea is to get a huge number of loyal visitors to some of these sites. We can use any tips from those that have done this. Any information would be helpful to our project.

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This is a very interesting project, I'm wondering if you have a head start, on the 30k/month with any of the sites or if you will be starting from scratch.

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Started from scratch 3 days ago with a new dedicated server. We already have 5 leads websites and an image hosting site. We are pushing for $30,000 a month as fast as we can.

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I'll be watching with great interest!

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Any plan to add a progress bar and newsletter ?
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Good luck but I've been hearing of people closing down their sights because of the costs involved. Many of these people we using adwords to bring traffic to their adsense sites. It can be profitable but it will take a lot of work. by the time you think it looks like you might make it google will change their program.

I will be adding a newsletter shortly to the site. We will be posting regular progress. We are determined to show how easy it can be to generate revenue but we also need to get the point across that it is hard work and you have to live up to the rules. Doing so will ensure a long relationship with Google.

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I know, I know! Make a really good website with practical services and fresh content and lots of people will come to it!

Or... make some mediocre websites and goad people into coming to them and clicking on the ads by stiring up hype about making a bunch of money off of adsense.

(excuse the sarcasm!)

No, really it is an interesting idea. I do think your best bet is to make good sites. And I agree that you may have trouble keeping within Google's guidelines just by announcing this 'project.' Good luck!

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The sites being made are good sites. They are providing real services.

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Whats the idea behind this? You cannot corner the organic results so 1 site will do well the other 81 will not fare well in SERPs.

How do you plan to drive traffic to the 82 plus sites without organic traffic?

Why would you when you can usee 1 or 2 and accomplish the same goal??

It seems to me you are making more work for yourselves than need be.

And how many pizzas to get a similar blog as this

unofficialseoblog.com???

I could really use a lift on one of my sites.

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The loan leads sites we actually started to get loan leads primarily. It is pretty much a given that someone who needs a loan will like the look of one site more than the other. So rather than having them go to someone else we hope they will find one of our other sites and request a loan.

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This is like the "project listings" in the freelance sites that read "I need 5000 paid signups". In other words, "help ME get rich". :)

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Those are rediculous. And this is not that. This is an actual project to find out how to increase revenue while increasing business by generating leads and traffic. The majority of my traffic comes from Craigslist, MySpace, and links from other websites and directories.

Whats wrong with providing a way to monitor results? Isnt that what WPW is about? Learning and sharing experiences?

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If ANYONE could do it EVERYONE would do it.

Your only chance is the linkbait aspect of having a notable goal combined with enough resources to invest in a somewhat serious set of offerings so we all don't take one look and decide we don't care.

On that note, I'm thinking of setting up the $100,000 per month Adsense project... j/k!

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HEY! My kind of post - an experiment, data, analysis, etc.

If you don't have a statistician on board, I highly recommend getting their input before starting your experiment. It'll save you lots in the long run and give you valuable results rather than just any result.

They will tell you what data to collect, how much to collect, etc. to be able to draw solid conclusions. You can refine your experiment to collect the right data.

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I appreciate that you are sharing the project with us. I think it is easy to take this the wrong way.
It sounded a little like you had some crappy sites and you were trying to promote them purely by hyping the get-rich-quick project. If you do that I imagine you'll get banned by AdSense.

So you must have some really nice websites with substance. And you are working on building traffic and marketing them. If you are looking for tips on that, see the rest WPW for marketing ideas!

Sounds like the kinds of sites you are promoting need a critical mass of users to make them work. So you need to get the traffic flowing by spending money on publicity. (Is your 30,000 net income?).

Really, best of luck and I do look forward to hearing out it goes.

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We are about to open a press release with PR Newswire or another agency that Yahoo News gets their info from. We are looking at all sources of marketing. And yes we are building community sites, service sites, and all. NOT SPAM SITES. I get disgusted myself by those sites and would NEVER take part in them. Feel free to subscribe to the newsletter to keep up to date.

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I doubt that you will take/like my advice, but here it is anyway: give it up, find a real job, stop creating spam sites that clog up the search results for those of us who use the net to provide a real service or sell a real product or simply want to find information. Networks like yours are a waste of everyone's time, but mostly yours. It does not, and will not work. Unless you use the ads as a secondary income on a site that people come to because you have something they want, then you are spending a lot of time doing nothing for nothing. Think about it. What do you actually bring to the world? What good have you done for the Internet? Your motivation tells it all: How to make $30,000 a month doing nothing! Obviously, it will not work and is simply another get rich quick scheme. I am not sure why I am telling you this since you will be gone in a few months anyway, but it bothers me that you might think you are doing anyone any good. I suggest that you expend your obvious energy by producing something of worth for the world to use instead of bestially screwing us all and parasitically feeding off those who do not know enough to swat the mosquito.

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You obviously have not read any of the posts. We are not building spam sites. We are building real sites that have a genuine purpose. And We have real businesses making us money. We are simply adding to the revenue.

Edit, Why would you write something like that unless it is to provoke an argument or negative response? Posts like the one you just made are not helping the world kinda like the message you suggested I was making.

I do not like crap sites and would not promote them. Only quality sites. What am I doing that is helping anyone? Providing services people need or want.

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collusion,

Your project is a good one, and I wish you much luck.

Do you have Google Analytics setup on your sites to track the traffic and click-through conversions?
I’m guessing you do, but if not, there’s a tip.

Also, what kind of stats are available to the general public as we track your progress?

I’m happy this made it onto the newsletter. *thumbsup*

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We have to be careful regarding stats as Google rules strictly forbid us to give up click amounts and all. What We will be tracking publicly are project site stats, and how much we have on a monthly basis until we reach our $30,000 per month mark.

I would also like suggestions from visitors here on what sites they want to see up. We are very much open to what sites will be "useful" to our consumers.

We want to prevent some of the negativity like the posts above and show we truly have the consumers interest in mind. In the end, without users a website is not successful.

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I have read all of them and they upset me to the point where I felt someone had to make it clear what a scam this is. Blathering on about the money you can make and the easy way it can be made to generate the "buzz", when in actual fact it will not work, is a scam. Talk to me in six months or a year when you have wasted enough of your time and ours (and mine for even writing here).
Your stated purpose is to make $30,000 a month from AdSense ads on Web pages set up to achieve that goal. That would be a spam site in my book.

My purpose was to help others realize the futility of such a network of sites and the harm it causes.

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if you really want people to keep coming back and posting to your blog dont give them a crappy machine generated password that they wont remember next time they come back esp if you dont have an auto remember password option set as default!!!

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Well it wouldn’t benefit us at all to only know when you hit 30,000
We would need some kind or report... I realize they have rules about specific click amounts, but that’s not what the public would want to see anyways.
Some idea of a figure, progress, what is working, what is not.
i.e. when you do market tests, when do figures go up, what causes them to go up, how much did they go up by.
What causes them to drop, etc... similar to some test projects that are out there to find out how specific marketing effects pagerank and traffic, how and what keywords effect SE positioning.
I’m just saying stats in general, no need to get specific with click numbers, but *something* to make it worthwhile for everyone else, otherwise, it is just what EditFast is saying... it would just be a spam site.
I’m saying the project itself needs to give us feedback (dynamically would be best) if it’s going to be worthwhile for the public to watch, and it wouldn’t break any of Google’s rules.

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Hi Mishj,

Thanks for the great ideas on your post.

Those passwords can be changed on your account. Feel free to go and do so with one you remember.

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I agree Dave. I will be posting more than stats. I was just saying that we cant provide click amounts. Thats all.

I will be doing reports on what kind of marketing and how effective it is. We have tons of stats programs and analytics installed. On top of that we know when certain campaigns are going out, what the ranking will be, etc. So we will keep you up to date definately. Thank you for the great reply!

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haha,... :) I think they actually work a lot to make that happen,.... ;)

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It is true that if ANYONE could do it EVERYONE would do it. The reality is that VERY FEW can and even less DO. The sad thing is that when somebody actually has the guts to try something he is generally getting a lot of negative feedback and laughs.

When that somebody fails there will be many "I told you so's" and when that somebody is successful often it just called "luck". But the reality is that "luck" is just a minor factor in projects like these.

Collusion, I admire your guts, especially because you´re doing it so in the open. I believe you have a big chance of success as you seem to attack your project from all the right angles.

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Thank you peter. I just want to say it is a numbers game. If I had 82 loan sites making $5 each per day plus a few other community sites making $10 a day and growing it will add up to my goal. It is just a matter of when.

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How do you attack the content problem? It generally is the most costly or time consuming part of the job.

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I work entirely at home. I worked my way from homelessness to self employment.

I have plenty of time to post regularly and update with relevant fresh content.

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Sounds really interesting..

I've put some adsense on a couple of sites to provide (hopefully) valuable related links to site visitors, never seen too much in the way of results, but then never bothered tracking or focusing much on any of it.

Maybe I should spend a bit of time to place them a bit better on the sites. I never really thought there was much $ to be made from a few adsense links on a site.

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Sounds more like a perfect opportunity for collusion to respond with a glowing report (hype) on how much is to be made and how easy it is. There is something fishy here in this thread and "collusion" is the word for it. (Definition: A secret agreement between two or more parties for a fraudulent, illegal, or deceitful purpose.)

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Actually Collusion is my Stagename. I am a recording artist. It sounds to me like you are trying to drum up conspiracy because you havn't done this yourself and you just might not want anyone else to succeed at it?

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Edit, I have been watching your comments since Collusion posted his project...it seems your nothing more than a hater....I personally think you should stick to what you know and just do copyright and editing. Making money on Ad sense is very difficult, but you have to honor the integrity of this young man for his courage to speak up and help us make money legitimately!

Therefore, Edit....go sell crazy elsewhere!!!

Sheesh!!

I poked around your blog before coming over here. You provide a more complete picture of who you are and what you are doing then you do on the blog (www.go9500i.com).

Sorry about your run-in with the troll. I have not seen many on these forums, but there are always some skulking around.

I know from my own(limited) experience that you will have success, but perhaps not to the extent you are hoping or not as quickly as you are thinking. It all depends on your quality, volume, and content.

My best sites have the most content, but my sites that get the highest amount per click are on the topics that you would expect to find the highest bids . I don't have any financial sites (sadly), but those are also very competitive so I would select things that command a large puchase price, but are also not high volume items, like traffic lights or well drilling.

The question I have is, do you want help beyond suggestions for creating sites? I figure if you are open enough to describe the project and provide a demonstration of what is possible and guide others, that I don't mind helping a little if I can, no matter how much income you generate for yourself. The knowledge provided should help all of us (well most of us...).

One problem AdSense and affiliate programs have is that people just don't understand that except for some rare exceptions, there is a lot of work involved in making these sites work and work well. MFA(Made for Adsense) sites don't work well or don't work for very long. If you are lazy and want to crank out hundreds of sites you may make some money, but it's not going to last long term. Your approach of building "real" sites is the way to go in my opinion. Of course, as was suggested you could just build one monster site and probably do a little better with the same effort, but given your lead generation goals what you are doing makes sense.

Some would do better to buy rental property, or a franchise and put their effort into a business that way and not this web crap. Either way, it's going to be the effort you put into it, how much knowledge you have to start with, and your ability to keep working at it even if things change and some sites tank for some reason.

So, are we going to get to see the list of network sites?

[Update: I suggest that those that are not familiar with the term "Troll" do a search in Google. They are best ignored when identified. They feed off your attention and will go away and find others to challenge and disturb. ]

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Yes Christian,

I will be posting websites as they come and as I have time to post them. I am going to do my best to get all of the data I can and make it available for public scrutiny.

And my main focus is lead generation. I have deals with brokers for hard money loans and just one lead that pays off is a huge commission. The adsense is a suplimental income and I thought that by making it public it would make people aware of the possibilities.

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For your image hosting script, who earns from the Adsense, you or the script developers? I'm assuming that you edit the script to where you garner the earnings, correct?

You need to post a copyright notice on there along the lines of the user is responsible for the images they upload. To that end, I'd require setting up an account with passwords in order to gain access to the script, along with a formal user's agreement.

Also, I'm curious as to the longevity of the images, a person should be able to delete or replace their images as well.

As for your financial website(s), if your primary goal is to generate client leads then your Adsense campaign, while a source of some revenue, detracts from your primary goal - and sends the visitor off to a competitor.

In either case, whether lead generation or Adsense revenue is the primary goal, then the information (content) your website provides is your best weapon as far as the search engines are concerned, and so far, the website appears to be rather scant in that regard.

In addition to the information provided, what services your website addresses is important to the visitor. Ok, you can refer them to a loan source, with private lending being our specialty. What else can you do for me today?

82 such websites, all with probably very similar content? Unless you can explain some other reasoning, I'm going to assume that each one of these sites will address the different (relevant) services I just mentioned. Am I right?

When you get your 30k per month, how many pizzas will it take for you to do the same for me? :-)

Troll? Crazy? Hater? I guess I have met my match and I will no longer be posting here (I can hear the cheers already). However, I can assure you that my only intention was to point out to the unwary that: 1) this type of scheme will not work 2) the author creates hype to generate traffic and this thread is part of that hype 3) the sites being described here and that I have taken a look at are merely full of hype and I would consider them spam and 4) in the end it is us who will suffer from the waste of time these sites will cause us when looking for real search results. No need to reply. I have done what I came here to do.

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$1,000 a day is a nice goal, but I am not sure if starting from scratch with 100 sites is the right way to do it.
As already pointed out, it really doesn't matter if you cover the same topic with one or 100 sites, especially in an area with competition counting in tens of millions.
If you split the topics, you dilute the quality of your provided information and tear yourself apart among covering so many different things, which is doomed to failure, if you don't have enough quality (human) resources.
Plentyoffish attributed its success to concentrating on one site only and smartly choosing providing free membership in an almost exclusively paid services environment.
I think Markus shot himself in the foot when he tried to create hype by anouncing his earnings, in order to get even more visitors.
The competition just followed his model and now you can see complaints.

Well, that's all about it, for a long time.

Good luck.

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Very interesting project and I will be watching.

BTW stuck your site on my Stumble:

http://www.stumbleupon.com/url/www.go9500i.com/

Good luck with the project :)

I'm going to keep an eye on this as I've often wondered if 1 massive site is better than 10 smaller ones, I've never really liked keeping all my eggs in one basket so hopefully this will prove something.

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Awesome collusion... looking forward to it.

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Ok. We added a project to the portolio that is not a part of the 82 leads sites. The foreclosure market is huge now-a-days. And every foreclosure site out there charges a "small" monthly fee. Well, as we said we would, we are making it FREE. It is at www.equitybegone.com

Any realtors here?

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With only a couple websites in the portfolio and them being new we are currently at approx. $10 per day. Each day the amount is getting higher. We will keep reporting...

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edit sounds like someone who's built a few of those spam sites and maybe got caught.

too bad he doesn't understand or know what white hat vs black hat is and how you can actually work with the search engines and make decent money.

no one is saying build a site make $30,000... just saying that hey spread over a 100 sites lets see if adding this service 'adsense' we can make $30,000 extra income.

Geez what designer doesn't do 60 to 150 sites per year anyway! stick a box on it for extra income.. hardly consider that spam...

woah to the uninformed and ignorant (those with lack of knowledge).

I'm looking forward to seeing how it does over time.

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I got your newsletter about www.equitybegone.com and have added a listing to our Consultant-Directory.com to help out.

However your newsletter did not have a reply address or unsubscribe option, and given your background is a little surprising to me.

EBG looks like a great site and needed service, but without listings it's going to be a struggle, IMO. I did some searches to see if I could find some sources for listings, like on government sites, but was not able to find any for some reason. Isn't that public information? My idea was to find a few and list them to promote some real estate sites I have.

I guess my suggestion would be to either have the content lined up first, or make sure content is easy to add. I took listings from other classified ad sites to get ours started. Maybe I should not have done that in some people's eyes, but it was free advertising for the seller. Once we started getting people placing ads, I didn't have to do that anymore.

The few financial sites that I looked at (I think I saw 4 of them) did not seem to be optimized?

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Interesting. I thought wordpress had that in the newsletter module. I will check the code and add instructions for unsubscription. I appologize about that.

Thanks for your support. I prefer to start from zero and promote. It helps build the website as legitimate. I do not mind the help though with the suggestion of posting some listings.

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I added an unsubscribe link under the subscribe button. It will be included in all newsletters. It was a flaw in the module.

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