The $30,000 a month adsense project - Page 2

cvos · #51 (**permalink**) 05-05-2007, 05:38 PM

Collusion - its good to start with high goals. one piece of advice: mortgages & loans are not the only source of online revenue.

collusion · #52 (**permalink**) 05-05-2007, 05:41 PM

My main income comes from web design and seo services.

I am creating various websites also unrelated to mortgages and real estate.

We are open to suggestion on what kinds of websites to start. We already got some great suggestions.

whipnet · #53 (**permalink**) 05-05-2007, 07:34 PM

Nothing wrong with having big dreams. Your two biggest hurdles have been mentioned already.

1) Where is your traffic coming from? You'll need A LOT of it for $1000 days.

2) Where will you be getting quality original content for all of these sites? If you plan of duplicating it, then I have to agree with EditFast.

Good luck!

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activeco · #54 (**permalink**) 05-05-2007, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by collusion

We are open to suggestion on what kinds of websites to start. We already got some great suggestions.

The old saying goes: Do what you're the most knowledgable and comfortable with.

Anyway, I have been always sceptical to such approaches. Instead of having money goal, IMO, one should concentrate on building his name, authority, online presence and finally traffic.
Only then (and sometimes, it takes years), you should think about best ways of fully monetizing the traffic and the hard work.

kgun · #55 (**permalink**) 05-06-2007, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by collusion

Hey everyone.
I have read many times about success stories with google adsense. For example Plentyoffish.com making over $300,000 a month in revenue. A partner of mine and I recently started "The go9500i Project" which is an experiment to find out what it takes to make $30,000 a month minimum in adsense revenue while following Google's rules. Our experiment includes setting up a large network of websites in different industries to get a combined revenue of over $30k.

which is an experiment to find out what it takes to make $30,000 a month minimum in adsense revenue while following Google's rules.

Experiments are great, but you should listen more to what members like EditFast says. There are three types of comments:

Flattering comments. I personally do not see much value in them.
Positive comments, that give you advice of how you can improve your experiment.
Negative comments, that say that you will not succeed. Give it up.

EditFast's comments may indirectly be included in the second category and directly in the third. Personally I would prefer comments in the second and third category.

My own comment is that AdSense should be implemented as contextual ad to a site, that is, ad that is natural on the site. Webmasters may be too critical to ad compared to the average surfer. Sometimes you will note that people that critizise you have the same ad all over their sites. Then you should make it better than they have done it. If they have bad experience, listen to them.

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Originally Posted by collusion

We are starting out with 82 financial services leads sites along with other sites such as a free image hosting site for MySpace, Free foreclosure listing site, Arcade flash games site, and others.

I have worked 20 years as a consultant in the research department of the Central Bank of Norway and three years as Client Service Reporting specialist in Skandia, one of the world's leading unit link providers. Be careful is my advice. There are a lot of spam sites in financial related businesses. In my opinion, you should as a minimum have a good certification to make good financial sites. You do not go to the waiter when you seek medical advice. Do you go to him / her when you seek financial advice? One of my personal favourites is Fisher's link collection.

My own site, MultiFinanceIT is a linkcollection collected since 1995. It gets worse and worse to be included in that collection. Financial sites may pop up daily, but not serious financial (web) companies. You find more information about the site at my blog where you also find more about my background in the lower left corner.

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Originally Posted by collusion

The idea is to get a huge number of loyal visitors to some of these sites. We can use any tips from those that have done this. Any information would be helpful to our project.

My bolding.

Final remark:
$30,000 a month minimum in adsense revenue. That is not interesting at all. Net income, or even better free cash flow, is the appropriate measure in my veiw.

collusion · #56 (**permalink**) 05-06-2007, 01:32 PM

Thank you for that information kgun. Much appreciated!

As you guys may have seen recently, Google themselves have taken an interest in our project. Take a look at the recent post on our blog by Mike Deeringer from the Adsense crew.

We are working to ensure we not only remain 100% within Google Guildlines but we also want to show people what to do and what not to do so their accounts remain in good standing.

We sent out press releases recently. Keep an eye on the project as it gets better every day.

collusion · #57 (**permalink**) 05-06-2007, 03:14 PM

With click fraud being a big problem these days it is very important to check the Google guildlines page on a regular basis. Go to Mike Deeringers blog page to keep up to date. He keeps really good information and following it regularly will keep you out of trouble!

When this project began I wanted to get the attention of Google and make sure they understand we are on a mission to educate people on how to publish the right way. Hopefully people will get the right message and learn something.

Peter (IMC) · #58 (**permalink**) 05-06-2007, 03:24 PM

In my opinion, click fraud isn't much of a problem. Google is pretty good at detecting fraudulant clicks and doesn't count them.

The popular estimates of 10 to 15% of clicks being invalid are in my opinion exagerated. That´s like 1 in every 7 to 10 clicks, which would mean that pretty much the whole world is involved in "clicking for cash". Very unlikely!

collusion · #59 (**permalink**) 05-06-2007, 03:32 PM

But Peter,

Do you remember Google Clique? The guy claimed it got around detection AFTER Google closed his account.

With the possibilities of software these days you have to wonder..

jtracking · #60 (**permalink**) 05-06-2007, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by EditFast

I doubt that you will take/like my advice, but here it is anyway: give it up, find a real job, stop creating spam sites that clog up the search results for those of us who use the net to provide a real service or sell a real product or simply want to find information. Networks like yours are a waste of everyone's time, but mostly yours. It does not, and will not work. Unless you use the ads as a secondary income on a site that people come to because you have something they want, then you are spending a lot of time doing nothing for nothing. Think about it. What do you actually bring to the world? What good have you done for the Internet? Your motivation tells it all: How to make $30,000 a month doing nothing! Obviously, it will not work and is simply another get rich quick scheme. I am not sure why I am telling you this since you will be gone in a few months anyway, but it bothers me that you might think you are doing anyone any good. I suggest that you expend your obvious energy by producing something of worth for the world to use instead of bestially screwing us all and parasitically feeding off those who do not know enough to swat the mosquito.

...and POF (plentyoffish.com) offers users the ability to find a mate, kind of like http://www.freedateclub.com (*plugs*) but the point is, he is offering something substantial and real...

collusion · #61 (**permalink**) 05-06-2007, 06:24 PM

The comment editfast made is disturbing. I never said you can get rich quick or make money without doing anything. Building websites is hard work. Marketing the websites is hard work. Documenting it all is hard work.

What he did was try to put words in my mouth and he failed. I have never written anything about getting rich quick, because it is not quick. I never wrote that it is as easy as doing nothing and collecting money.

Just writing in the blog and the WPW forum takes time itself. Then any design work in photoshop, putting it all together in dreamweaver, posting ads, sending out press releases, etc etc... It all goes on. This project has actually been more work than anything I have ever done. I am actually happy with the project and think that it will be a success.

activeco · #62 (**permalink**) 05-06-2007, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by collusion

I never said you can get rich quick or make money without doing anything. Building websites is hard work. Marketing the websites is hard work. Documenting it all is hard work.

Yes, but do you realize your project is based on building MFA sites?

collusion · #63 (**permalink**) 05-06-2007, 07:34 PM

No they are not built for adsense, they are built for a purpose which I already disclosed many time over throughout this thread. Some readers only pick out keywords they want to see but not everything that has been said.

Are you telling me the leads sites which I built for loan LEADS is made for adsense? Are you telling me that www.equitybegone.com is made for adsense?

What about www.envisionedspace.com which was made for an artist to showcase her work?

The websites built have a specific purpose. The only thing that connects them is that they belong to ths project and have adsense on them.

Please go through this thread and read EVERYTHING. Please do not cherry pick information. We want you to understand this accurately.

activeco · #64 (**permalink**) 05-07-2007, 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by collusion

The websites built have a specific purpose. The only thing that connects them is that they belong to ths project and have adsense on them.

Don't take it offensive. I am trying to point out that your approach is wrong.

There is no cherry picking here, your concept screams "$30,000 from adsense". How? By building sites for it.
It does not matter if they have more quality in your eyes than ordinary spam sites. Your 82 loan sites cannot contribute to the wealth of the web sphere in any way.
Most of them would not exist without Adsense in mind.

What would be a right way to do it?
Buy well established, devoted sites, with staff maintaining them and no previous adsense on it.
Only then you could make a credible Adsense test project.

collusion · #65 (**permalink**) 05-07-2007, 02:31 AM

you are wrong about the 82 loan sites. I wanted to do those websites WAY BEFORE this project to capture more leads. It is common sense that if someone does not like a design they will go find another website with a design they like before they submit their info. The idea is to get leads and try to get the leads even if they decided to shop around.

Adsense had nothing to do with it. It has nothing to do with the internet community. Those 82 sites are SPECIFICALLY for getting loan leads. That simple. There is no conspiracy behind it at all. The rest of the website ARE being built up.

mohsho · #66 (**permalink**) 05-07-2007, 02:27 PM

Wow. Just checked out one of your loan sites. I don't know - I won't even buy something from a website that doesn't publish their phone number and physical address. I certainly would not even consider "applying" for a loan via such a site. It all seems VERY shady to me - especially that you would want to make 82 such sites. I don't think that EditFast is too far off on his assessment of this "project". It all just seems like interenet pollution to me.

collusion · #67 (**permalink**) 05-07-2007, 02:48 PM

We had contact info up, and even a contact form but it was abused. Because it is for hard money loans (private money) we tend to get the people who could not qualify for a traditional loan. Having to filter through the leads is plenty of work but trying to do it while receiving phone calls from people who did not even fill out the free quote form was too much.

collusion · #68 (**permalink**) 05-07-2007, 03:15 PM

Due to popular demand we are open to dropping the creation of new loan leads websites. See the blog for the full post on this subject and please comment if you want to help. This has gone beyond loan leads now and sort of public domain...

SemAdvance · #69 (**permalink**) 05-07-2007, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by EditFast

Quote:

Originally Posted by collusion

You obviously have not read any of the posts.

I have read all of them and they upset me to the point where I felt someone had to make it clear what a scam this is. Blathering on about the money you can make and the easy way it can be made to generate the "buzz", when in actual fact it will not work, is a scam. Talk to me in six months or a year when you have wasted enough of your time and ours (and mine for even writing here).

Quote:

Originally Posted by collusion

We are not building spam sites. We are building real sites that have a genuine purpose.

Your stated purpose is to make $30,000 a month from AdSense ads on Web pages set up to achieve that goal. That would be a spam site in my book.

Quote:

Originally Posted by collusion

Edit, Why would you write something like that unless it is to provoke an argument or negative response? Posts like the one you just made are not helping the world kinda like the message you suggested I was making.

My purpose was to help others realize the futility of such a network of sites and the harm it causes.

I agree with everyone of Edits answers...

collusion · #70 (**permalink**) 05-07-2007, 05:18 PM

Are we not past the "I agree" stage? That is old news. Alot of new data has been presented.

jtracking · #71 (**permalink**) 05-07-2007, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by collusion

Are we not past the "I agree" stage? That is old news. Alot of new data has been presented.

It's funny cause after checking out your recent post on your site I have to say I agree somewhat to what you're proposing about offering free services.

From your website

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Originally Posted by collusion

Sure there is the question of why would they want to display my adsense. Well why not? Some people don’t care about such things but they love the word free. It has been proven that the word free gets a response. They would surely benefit from the added traffic when their website is displayed as part of “The go9500i Portfolio”.

I have a website offering maid services and I contract out the quotes to actual maid companies whiole displaying ads on the site. I earn nothing from the quotes accept for a few bucks because I can't be bothered but I get a small revenue that is growing from the clicketys.

It's actually not a bad idea and POF (plentyoffish.com) is apparently earning HUGE cash offering a no-catch totally free service.

edited for clarity

collusion · #72 (**permalink**) 05-07-2007, 10:58 PM

Yes, free is a great business. We are expanding on the concept and creating websites that even the haters will love. We are holding off on the leads sites to build useful sites for the followers.. We will post them on the website as soon as they come along..

jtracking · #73 (**permalink**) 05-07-2007, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SemAdvance

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Originally Posted by EditFast

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Originally Posted by collusion

You obviously have not read any of the posts.

I have read all of them and they upset me to the point where I felt someone had to make it clear what a scam this is. Blathering on about the money you can make and the easy way it can be made to generate the "buzz", when in actual fact it will not work, is a scam. Talk to me in six months or a year when you have wasted enough of your time and ours (and mine for even writing here).

Quote:

Originally Posted by collusion

We are not building spam sites. We are building real sites that have a genuine purpose.

Your stated purpose is to make $30,000 a month from AdSense ads on Web pages set up to achieve that goal. That would be a spam site in my book.

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Originally Posted by collusion

Edit, Why would you write something like that unless it is to provoke an argument or negative response? Posts like the one you just made are not helping the world kinda like the message you suggested I was making.

My purpose was to help others realize the futility of such a network of sites and the harm it causes.

I agree with everyone of Edits answers...

That's funny and I'm kind of liking the idea of making websites for beer and pizza as long as I can put an ad or even two on their site. Heck I don't even have to ask these companies. I can do it myself. Without asking them. I think there are only a few companies that would love to have a free website and wouldn't mind the odd loss in a customer because of the click!

For web designers who want to make some cash advertising this certainly isn't the way not to go or even delve into just for kicks!

No?

jtracking · #74 (**permalink**) 05-07-2007, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by activeco

Quote:

Originally Posted by collusion

The websites built have a specific purpose. The only thing that connects them is that they belong to ths project and have adsense on them.

Don't take it offensive. I am trying to point out that your approach is wrong.

There is no cherry picking here, your concept screams "$30,000 from adsense". How? By building sites for it.
It does not matter if they have more quality in your eyes than ordinary spam sites. Your 82 loan sites cannot contribute to the wealth of the web sphere in any way.
Most of them would not exist without Adsense in mind.

What would be a right way to do it?
Buy well established, devoted sites, with staff maintaining them and no previous adsense on it.
Only then you could make a credible Adsense test project.

ahhh I see what you're saying. If there are 82 websites all offering the same service *loan leads* owned by the same person or entity that is spam. One site will suffice wouldn't it?

collusion · #75 (**permalink**) 05-07-2007, 11:07 PM

We are no longer working on the loan leads sites. We are focusing on public demand now.

BUT the idea behind the sites were not spam. They were to capture the attention of a customer who might have left one site due to the design but come to another of our sites because they like it better.

incrediblehelp · #76 (**permalink**) 05-08-2007, 12:38 AM

So your a web designer, that is starting a network of websites and their main purpose is to create AdSense income? I am sorry but I am with EditFast on this one. Collusion can you post a few websites so we can see how they first make the end user happy and fill a void that is not already being filled in the SERPs?

I do appreciate posting a project and watching from start to finish. There is nothing wrong with that. Their is also nothing wrong with using AdSense on your content websites. Their is something wrong with filling the SERPs with MFA (Made For AdSense) websites and this is what this project primarily sounds like.

Now with that being said I am not saying your network or websites ARE MFA, Collusion. I will be watching this project un-fold as well. But I would love to see some evidence that these website help the searching find information, content, etc that is useful FIRST and make money second. Post some fo these websites for us to disect and if they are out there to do nothing but rank and get clicks through AdSense then they are truly MFA.

collusion · #77 (**permalink**) 05-08-2007, 12:43 AM

The websites are posted on the sidebar of our website. Ignore the loan leads sites as those two are the only ones that we are doing. The rest if the sites are being built with the requests in mind.

Also, please feel free to comment on some posts. We are sending out a major press release tomorrow that will hit routers and other media across the globe.

incrediblehelp · #78 (**permalink**) 05-08-2007, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by collusion

The rest if the sites are being built with the requests in mind.

Requests from who? The internet, LOL? Or maybe your building websites that will create the highest AdSense revenue....?

collusion · #79 (**permalink**) 05-08-2007, 01:01 AM

We have had requests in the comments of our posts. Please read all the data on the subject.

incrediblehelp · #80 (**permalink**) 05-08-2007, 01:05 AM

Collusion please do not remind me to read this thread, as I have already. I feeling this thread is more self promotion than that of a marketing experiment. MFA are good for no one expect those that receiving direct deposit (or check, lol) from Google and Google themselves. I would recommend posting some hard facts on how this experiment or these new websites would help anyone here or on the internet in general before this thread is closed.

collusion · #81 (**permalink**) 05-08-2007, 01:08 AM

I was not talking about this thread. I was talking about the comments on our website. I just find it a bit rude when you make jokes about where I am getting requests. You are a MOD and are supposed to be held to a higher degree in the forums.

incrediblehelp · #82 (**permalink**) 05-08-2007, 01:10 AM

I am not making jokes, not sure where you got this. I am pointing out fact to make sure we all understand the true intention of this thread.

collusion · #83 (**permalink**) 05-08-2007, 01:13 AM

The fact is we are building sites that have been requested via our website. You can find the requests in the comments of posts on the website. As we stated before these are not MFA sites. I have made that clear many times over but it keeps coming back to that by those who wish to impose their opinion regardless of what the facts say. I have also posted a couple sites on this thread that are not loan leads sites and are not mfa.

Webnauts · #84 (**permalink**) 05-08-2007, 01:14 AM

Sites made for MFA only are pure crap. They definitely cannot survive in long terms, if they rely on organic (natural) search results alone.

IMO, ethically they are spammy sites, as they do not only spoil the quality of search engines results, but they also abuse users stealing their valuable time.

Such sites piss me off.

Just my two cents.

collusion · #85 (**permalink**) 05-08-2007, 01:16 AM

and there it is webnauts. Yet another person who has ignored what has been said and has been proven as fact. See my frustration?

collusion · #86 (**permalink**) 05-08-2007, 01:20 AM

Goodnite everyone. Sweet dreams... late here

Webnauts · #87 (**permalink**) 05-08-2007, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by collusion

and there it is webnauts. Yet another person who has ignored what has been said and has been proven as fact. See my frustration?

Sorry, but that was not my intention. Did I really miss something? If you mean that you can make money that way fast, I have no doubt that it is possible.

collusion · #88 (**permalink**) 05-08-2007, 01:28 AM

yes webnauts, u missed something. the problem is that the project subtitle is based on adsense. but please read at least the top post on the website to understand what is really going on...

Respectfully,
Brandon Connell

Peter (IMC) · #89 (**permalink**) 05-08-2007, 02:17 AM

Unfortunately naming a project the $30.000 AdSense Project makes many imediatly feel like this is somebody that wants to get rich quick.

Personally I don't see what's wrong with choosing Adsense as one of the forms to generate income. Saying you want to make $30.000 per month in Adsense does not imediatly mean these are MFA sites. If they are purely MFA they won't last very long in the SERP's anyway if they get any traffic at all.

In my opinion it is a bit sad that there is so much agression towards this project.

But it will be fun to see how this project is developping.

On another note: $30.000 a month may seem like a lot but how much of that is going to be cost? Hosting so many sites isn't going to be cheap, managing it all is very time consuming, etc. etc. etc.

I do have a question for Collusion:

Is each site going to be about a different subject or are they all going to be about the same subject presented in a different way?

collusion · #90 (**permalink**) 05-08-2007, 02:38 AM

They are going to cover different topics. For instance we are developing a new system to present DRTV to the online consumer. Another will be a rating system for a specific industry professional. etc.. We are open to ideas and are actively seeking them on the blog.

jtracking · #91 (**permalink**) 05-08-2007, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by collusion

We are no longer working on the loan leads sites. We are focusing on public demand now.

BUT the idea behind the sites were not spam. They were to capture the attention of a customer who might have left one site due to the design but come to another of our sites because they like it better.

Very well, I don't think you're in the market for spamming and I think you're open to change if you see the need.

wizardofx · #92 (**permalink**) 05-08-2007, 05:03 PM

I have to side with the nay-sayers on this one. Our gross income is about $200,000 per month using ONE web site and NO advertising income.

If you have a legitimate site the surest way to cash is to sell stuff to your visitors. Why in the world would you want to send your visitors to other sites via adsense clicks?

It makes sense to sell adsense ads only if you don't have a clue how to monetize your traffic and you have a terrific amount of traffic because people are coming to you for some useful purpose. But to attract visitors in this way takes a tremendous amount of creative work. I know because we attract visitors to our web site in this way.

We have about 170,000 visitors to our site a month. Do the math and you find that we make $1.17 per visitor. Only about one in 250 visitors actually buy something.

How much could you make with adsense if you only have 170,000 visitors? About $13.00.

So if you have legitimate traffic, why not monetize it with commerce instead of adsense, since the profits are 1000 times that of adnsense?

The reason is that you have some automated way to fool people into coming to your web sites, and the only benefit that they can possibly get out of the visit is by clicking on an adsense ad. This is what everyone is screaming about because it ruins the internet.

collusion · #93 (**permalink**) 05-08-2007, 05:07 PM

Then you have ignored everything that was said also wizard. The sites are not for getting clicks. We are actually against people clicking unless they actually want something from the advertisers ad. The websites are offering something legitimate for the visitor. Which has already been said.

wizardofx · #94 (**permalink**) 05-08-2007, 05:52 PM

If what you say is true, you are working too hard. But let's look at what you are doing

1. The $30k/month page has a ticker at the bottom registering 750 vistitors. That isn't going to take you there.
2. The EBG forclosure site has 50 states but only one listing in one of those states, all the rest have "Results: No results found, please search again" There are 1.8 million sites listing forclosures, maybe you can compete with them, maybe not.
3. The Free Image Hosting - MySpace Image Hosting page, I fail to see the value added there, are people flocking to that site because they couldn't find MySpace directly?
4. bestdirectfunding.com/ not exactly the most innovate site on the net. There are 7 internet sites with exactly the same FAQ. There are 157 million competitive sites (says google).
5. www.bestfinancialfunding.com has nothing but adsense ads.
6. envisionedspace.com/ might not be an automated clip site, but it sure looks like one

collusion · #95 (**permalink**) 05-08-2007, 06:01 PM

With the same things being said here I cannot continue posting in this thread. But, as I have said, and if you read the entire thread you would have seen that I want to start from scratch with the foreclosure site. It makes a website more legit. Going from zero to millions of members is the way to go and it gives the most satisfaction. It is also the only free foreclosures site I know of. I mean truly free. Not just a trial.

As far as the loan sites go you might want to check the last couple pages of the thread. We are no longer making leads sites under this project.

For the image hosting site I fail to understand how finding myspace has to do with anything. Image hosting is for posting codes on myspace. Myspace is not a hosting company.

Envisioned Space is an artists website and I truly wish you would have not offended an innocent individual like her just to get your point across.

The ticker on the bottom of the page, had you read the website post at all said that we put that there recently to help with tracking. It does not show the hits received since this started.

Thank you for your participation. Please read every single thing regarding this project before posting. It really helps when you have the facts.

Respectfully,
Brandon Connell

activeco · #96 (**permalink**) 05-09-2007, 02:18 AM

I have to say your thread is even mildly treated here.
Try WMW. It would be interesting to see all reactions there.

incrediblehelp · #97 (**permalink**) 05-09-2007, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by activeco

I have to say your thread is even mildly treated here.
Try WMW. It would be interesting to see all reactions there.

Please post the exact same starting thread at any other forum and let us know. I will follow with much, much interest.

Peter (IMC) · #98 (**permalink**) 05-09-2007, 11:36 PM

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How much could you make with adsense if you only have 170,000 visitors? About $13.00.

This feels like a "or this or that" logic. But why should one do only one thing and not the other? Why not experiment with using both and gain the positive results of both worlds?

And also, those $200,000 is, as you said, gross income. What's the profit margin on that? If you put adsense on your site and gain an additional $13.000 it is almost 100% profit margin, so that little money of Adsense can actually have a big impact on your net income.

Ofcourse it would be a bad move to cover your pages in adsense ads. You don't want to negatively influence your normal sales. Some experimenting can tell you. And I wouldn't even be surprised if it has a positive influence on your sales because, like it or not, having the name Google show up on your pages can have a positive effect on the trust that visitors have in your site.

wizardofx · #99 (**permalink**) 05-10-2007, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter (IMC)

Quote:

How much could you make with adsense if you only have 170,000 visitors? About $13.00.

This feels like a "or this or that" logic. But why should one do only one thing and not the other? Why not experiment with using both and gain the positive results of both worlds?

And also, those $200,000 is, as you said, gross income. What's the profit margin on that? If you put adsense on your site and gain an additional $13.000 it is almost 100% profit margin, so that little money of Adsense can actually have a big impact on your net income.

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I have agonized for years over this very issue. My conclusion is that we move heaven and earth to get people to our web page. It would be counterproductive (i.e. idiotic) to send them away, particularly since the google sourced ads will often be from our competitors.

In fact, if I am going to send them somewhere, I would rather send them to my own pages than others, since we have a pretty good conversion rate. If they don't like the page they got, don't send them to a competitor, give them some more options from your own site.

wizardofx · #**100** (**permalink**) 05-10-2007, 06:46 PM

[quote="Peter (IMC)"]

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And also, those $200,000 is, as you said, gross income. What's the profit margin on that? If you put adsense on your site and gain an additional $13.000 it is almost 100% profit margin, so that little money of Adsense can actually have a big impact on your net income.
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It varies but the net profit per month is way above the $30k per month that this thread was started on.

So the real issue is "I don't want to actually go to the work to make a real company, but I want to make a fortune on the internet." Or "my skills are only in website design, there must be some way I can get $30k a month without selling that quantity of website design services."

My response is: "Broaden your scope."

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