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What about a Desktop Search Engine Showdown.

In front of a live audience. (Or Net Video?)

Desktop Search and Net Search are from opposite ends of the
search spectrum. They won't do well on the desktop.

My Spectate Swamp Search engine will be hard to beat.
The interface is simple but incomplete.
It does do everything I need and fast. (Keyboard friendly)

My First demonstration
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Random, Slow-Motion and Freeze-Frame for Video.

Pick a random video clip Then a random start point in that video.
Then play for a few seconds in slow motion. Then freeze for a few
more seconds on the final frame. Then another and another. I have
lots of video 3 yrs+ Trapline, Riverboats, White Crow, Strange stones

My Second demonstration
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will be. Oldie black and white family
pictures at high speed, With and without captioning. I might
even do a video version of these. Where I narrate?


Large font scrolling text for fun.

It's also a notepad app. If you search you need to store text as well.

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They will need their best techies to go head to head with this Search.
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Old 04-28-2006, 08:12 AM
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Show me the data.

It has often been said that with search, nothing is found until
someone views the results. That point has become very clear
while checking out the Desktop Search competition. They list
the files that the results are in and sometimes display the
first hit, Where it is actually ledgable. Most times the first
file hits are just a little yellow blob on something that was
supposed to look like a page of text.

They brag about finding so many matches in fractions of seconds.
To actually see all the results in context, is painfully slow with
these guys. Spectate Swamp can "Show you the data" in context
much much quicker. Just Enter Enter Enter as you fly through the
results (in context & full screen). Hands down winner SSDS

I merged a few of my files and tested out what was the max size
for two of the others. MDS won't run on my machine?
Google would not index a 44MB text file
Yahoo would not index a 81MB text file
Spectate Swamp has no known text file size limit.

I'm just scratching the surface with the testing.
There are sure to be other major deficiencies.
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Do you have any specifics to tell us, or just marketing hype? This is bordering on (probably crossing the line for) spamming the forum.

If you've got specific examples, that's one thing. But just saying "Hey, this thing is great and the others aren't" doesn't help anyone here. Forums are about discussion, not marketing.

If you'd like to ask for feedback on yours vs. the others, ask for it. That can get a discussion started. What you've posted so far doesn't allow for any discussing.

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Old 05-03-2006, 07:40 AM
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Do you have any specifics to tell us, or just marketing hype? This is bordering on (probably crossing the line for) spamming the forum.

If you've got specific examples, that's one thing. But just saying "Hey, this thing is great and the others aren't" doesn't help anyone here. Forums are about discussion, not marketing.

If you'd like to ask for feedback on yours vs. the others, ask for it. That can get a discussion started. What you've posted so far doesn't allow for any discussing.

Brian.
How can you be so sure that a post on any subject isn't being
put forward or argued by someone on the take? I am just a
little more forward about it.

I was hoping for a forum where I didn't have to make all the points.
There are plenty of flaws in Desktop Search. I plan on showing them.

One thing for sure Brian. Any posts on any forums that discuss
Desktop Search. I'll be there. Unless they have already banned me.

I've been doing search since the mid 80's VAX/Vms Search
and started this one in 1999. I'm qualified to talk on DTS.
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How can you be so sure that a post on any subject isn't being
put forward or argued by someone on the take? I am just a
little more forward about it.

I was hoping for a forum where I didn't have to make all the points.
There are plenty of flaws in Desktop Search. I plan on showing them.

One thing for sure Brian. Any posts on any forums that discuss
Desktop Search. I'll be there. Unless they have already banned me.

I've been doing search since the mid 80's VAX/Vms Search
and started this one in 1999. I'm qualified to talk on DTS.
I don't care if someone is biased or not. Forums are about discussion, so just jumping in and saying "This desktop search which I'm not going to tell you anything specific about is better than the rest because I said so" doesn't help anyone.

You were hoping for a forum where you didn't have to make all the points? You mean a forum you can come in and say stuff without anyone questioning your reasoning? I think the sheep are all on a different forum. Everyone here wants to know the answers and reasons, not just opinions.

You plan on showing the flaws... so start there. Plans don't help anyone, action does. I plan to make a million dollars, but I'm not going out and spending it yet.

I'm gather from the fact that you've been banned elsewhere that you take this same approach regularly. If you're being banned, it's time to change your technique.

It doesn't matter if you're qualified or not - the fact is you said nothing. Either talk so it promotes discussion, showing flaws and how your product addresses the solutions, or Admin may have to take the same actions as it sounds other forums already have.

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All of us can read "Numerical recipes in C", Donald Knuths algorithms etc. Tell us if you have anything faster. Do you use C, C++ or assembler or any other language?

Does it run in linear or n x log(n) time?
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Old 05-28-2006, 11:38 AM
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Back from scouring the net, reading Desktop Search reviews and views.
Spent some more time testing the various searches. What I'm finding is:
Pretend Desktop Search. Just NET search with a little less data.
Their preview windows that are too tiny to be useful. With this search
you'll see all the matches up on the screen and fast. Note-pad / Scratch-pad
capabilities are a must. Most searches have this option. I stash notes all the time.

When reviewers quote search speed, they are way way off base.
Saying they have found 2,350,000+ results in .023 sec
Nothing is found until it is up on the screen and easily
viewable. That is where, this program blows their doors off.

Desktop search is about finding your data Fast.
With this program I can be in and out of my notes, in a handfull of seconds.

Net Search needed indexing so they can quickly find data among
billions of pages. For a single computer, this is Over-Kill. A good reader
can read 3 Gig in a year, going 24 X 365. Personal search textual info
will rarely get larger than that. I seldom search data that I havn't read
or notes that aren't mine. Why would I? Is indexing really necessary?
That nasty indexing step, limits search in a number of ways.

For those techies that talk about indexing hundreds of thousands of files.
Few if any of those files are ever printed or re-sent. Just merge them and
store the originals somewhere else. Why have a messy directory.

Find all your data, not just some of it. Large text files can't be indexed,
by the pretenders. They range from 2M to 80M maximum file size limit.

Not much fun in these so called serious searches. No Random to be seen.
No large font scrolling text, no slow-motion video.
Just MetaData that is beyond most casual users capabilities. But not now.
This search allows people to create their own MetaData.

Articles go on and on about security. Where does this rank with the user
that has his-or-her data backed up. Last, or next to last. OMG somebody
is going to read my old email and look at the family photo album.

Indexed desktop search, seem to hog computer resources.
When my computer is on, I'm usually using it. I've read a number
of complaints about the background indexing. In most cases, the
indexing function can be turned off and updated anytime.

They want you to keep all your data eggs in their basket. With desktop search.
The KISS principle (Keep It Simple Stupid) strongly applies. The less formats
the better. Don't be encouraged by the 200+ types of data formats they claim
to search. I use mpg, txt, mp3, jpg, bmp and very few others. For those who
feel their data prowess is determined by the number of different formats.
Good luck. You'll need it, to keep your data in the long run.

In looking for desktop search, there are almost no examples, of how or why
anybody would use Search. I guess I'm one of the few that do.

-Used as a context spell checker. See how the words are used in context of
my own selection. My text file has weird, strange, psychic, unexpected,
mystics text info. See results in interesting context.
-I save a jpg (screen capture) of every website that I bookmark, then take a copy
of the text on the home page at the same time.
-I do daily notes, todo list updates and info lookups.
-Cut and paste interesting notes and search material from the net.
-Move my inbox and sent mail to my *.txt files.
-I check these files often when making new contacts.
-Auto-catalogue and play my recent video. Then randomly play video from
what's currently on the C: disk. Or a screen saver playing the 5000+ family
album pictures.
-Burn a copy of the exe on DVD backups set to autorun, showing the videos.
I regularly burn 2 or 3 DVD's backups to free up space on my hard drive.
-When I come across detailed steps or interesting features, I'll do a
screen capture and save that as a jpg. Maybe even using paint to draw
a red circle around the object of interest.
-On a previous job I had 2000+ screen captures (in 10 months) of totals,
exceptions and complex procedure steps.
-Routinely add a "search for: THIS STRING" to my notes file. For any search
string that provided results.

If you don't have lots of interesting pictures, text, video or music
then you probably don't need desktop search. Yet....

Conclusion:

They are Net Search masquerading as Desktop Search Engines.
There is only one desktop search - Spectate Swamp.
So it's impossible to have a desktop search showdown. They have nothing to show.
They don't do desktop search, they don't know desktop search.

I'll do more Desktop Search video demos and hound any "Desktop Search" threads I find.

Grab a copy and check it out:
http://www.topshareware.com/Spectate...load-42932.htm
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Quote:
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If you don't have lots of interesting pictures, text, video or music
then you probably don't need desktop search. Yet....

Grab a copy and check it out:
http://www.topshareware.com/Spectate...load-42932.htm
Basically, you're saying nobody needs this product, so grab a copy. I've used several desktop search apps, sometimes several at once, and I've never had a problem with the indexing. I leave my PC on over lunch time, and it's usually done indexing the areas I put my files in.

Some of what you've left off is that PDF files are useful to have indexed, as are other non-.txt files.

The reason I see that you won't do a showdown is because it's only useful to do a showdown between those with market share, and that would exclude yours. According to you, the current products that have market share don't have anything good about them, yet people continue to download and install those products. They must have something decent about them or nobody would use them at all, which makes your entire post seem invalid.

Give us an objective review if you want it to have some credibility. Saying that most people don't need desktop search means nobody needs your program. If people have to use their PC in a certain way as you're suggesting, then I don't know anyone who will want your program. People will use their PC as they're already accustomed to, and learning to use it differently just so a search program works seems like the search program needs adjusting.

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Old 06-07-2006, 09:26 AM
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For the most part people don't need desktop search.
They have all lived without it until now.
But for those that have lots of daily details and computer
related functions, maybe Desktop Search can make your busy
life, easier. Those that have Digital Cameras or Camcorders
can make quick use of this search as a screen saver.

I've been using search since the mid 80's. From source code search
to examining database text extracts. I know what's needed from
search. I've kept all kinds of typewritten notes. From the items
on my grocery list and their cost, to things far more noteworthy.

A key feature of this search, is it's notepad capabilities.

to see the most recent notes in my notes.txt file:
Start the program
Prompt #1 (the default is notes.txt) hit enter
Prompt #2 (the default is 'Y' for last page) hit enter.
the last page of notes appear.

To add notes to the notes.txt file:
Start the program
Prompt #1 (the default is notes.txt) hit enter
Prompt #2 (the default is 'y') enter 'e' the enter notes option
you are prompted for line after line of input. enter enter enter
to exit.

Very fast and very easy to make notes and view them.

Since this app, I have been keeping a lot of screen captures to Jpg.
As well as all kinds of Video from my Mini DVD Camcorder.

If you have enough data, to want a search. You had better have a good
backup plan for that data. This app makes the txt, jpg, mpg, and mp3
secure and very transportable. I worry about those other data formats, 2nd.

If you want to share your stuff like I do, it had better be portable.
From PC to PC. and from software package to software package. Your data
shouldn't lock you into any one program. If you can't take it with you.
You can't take it with you. Doing it this way, You can.

Desktop search is primarily about finding your data in context.
I search for "Joe Smith" I might be looking for his phone number
birthdate or somebody, I met with him. For the most part I am not
interested in the file that it came from.

This is the desktop search your need to comfortably accumulate and
retrieve all the memories and moments of a lifetime in Text, Pictures
Music and Video (txt, jpg, mp3 & mpg). Easily shared and in some of
the more portable data formats. This data is yours. (permanently)
And without a whole lot of geekery involved.

For me this is Personal Desktop Search. The other search engines are
database driven net monstrosities, trying to be Desktop Search.
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See what you can do with unedited video.

I never get behind on my editing, I don't do any.
No advertisements, or sound tracks added.

This Hooded Crow is a first in North America and
has the birders watching.

http://www.dropshots.com/spectateswamp

search out "hooded crow" "whitecourt" and you will
see what is going on with digital video.

Hooded Crow Capital of North America
WhiteCourt Alberta
Canada
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Birds are very interesting animals, since we know so little about them, but this bird seems like an ordinary Scandinavian crow, that a lot of people mean there are too many of, so you are paid for shooting them.

The bird is very intelligent and it can be trained to speak if you catch it as a child. May be it is too agressive for your smaller black crows.

Related thread by you: WhiteCourt Hooded Crow is back for the 2006 Nesting season.

Birds move like the Canadian Goose that has invaded Scandinavia. It is very aggressive compared to our ducks and geese. Some experts will have it removed. It is competition about food in the winter that is the critical factor.

Back on topic, how are your desktop search engine compared to Google desktop search?
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Back on topic, how are your desktop search engine compared to Google desktop search?
Good info on the Hooded Crow.
(My dad came from Nnarvic by the way)

I've looked at most of the search engines.
The more I looked the more I love mine.

All context search, is far more important than
any indexing system. Indexing is overkill.
All my email and notes since 1996 are 70MB
3 or 4 seconds to search all of it. I'm usually
just searching inmail.txt or outmail.txt or
notes.txt or netstuff.txt

I keep my disk full with outdoor video. Turn
on the random options and let it pick the video
file. Sequential can become boring fast.

Video of the White Crow puts the bird in context.
Context is everything. A still picture just
isn't as informative. The same applies to text search
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Video of the White Crow puts the bird in context.
Context is everything. A still picture just
isn't as informative. The same applies to text search
Yes, very true.

In my view the raven (corvus corax) is the most exciting and beautiful of the crow birds. It is also the largest and it is black. It is beautiful against a background of snow (in the mountain).

"Huginn and Muninn, sometimes Anglicized Hugin and Munin, are a pair of ravens associated with the Norse god Odin. Hugin and Munin travel the world bearing news and information to Odin. Hugin is "thought" and Munin is "memory". They are sent out at dawn to gather information and return in the evening. They perch on the god's shoulders and whisper the news into his ears. It is from these ravens that the kenning 'raven-god' for Odin is derived.

The name Munin has its roots in the Old Norse word for memory".

P.S.

You mean that your father was Norwegian and came from Narvik?

It is a small town / village in Northern Norway, not far from the border to Sweden.
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Narvik is the place.

I've got some Odin Stones as well.
Maybe that is why this weird bird is
hanging around?

He has a heavy bill like a Raven.
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Narvik is the place.

I've got some Odin Stones as well.
Maybe that is why this weird bird is
hanging around?

He has a heavy bill like a Raven.
Odin stones that are sold at eBay I think and not like this.

The Odinstone was destroyed by a farmer in 1814.

"And the raven, never flitting, still is sitting, still is sitting
On the pallid bust of Pallas just above my chamber door;
And his eyes have all the seeming of a demon that is dreaming,
And the lamp-light o'er him streaming throws his shadow on the floor;
And my soul from out that shadow that lies floating on the floor
Shall be lifted -- nevermore!"
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