Just a simple question

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It really depends.

Sometimes the medium makes things seem rude, when they're not.

Other times, it's so easy to find communities which simply ooze consensus from every pore the occasional differing opinion could seem rude.

On occasion, there is the confusion between unwelcome and inconvenient information and rudeness. This is also known as "shoot the messenger."

With no physical proximity, a handy alternative is trying to invalidate the message by proclaiming the messenger rude. This is a twist on the politician's trick of labeling something unpatriotic.

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My two cents,

I’ve seen several post that I felt a mod. or veteran member was being a little or a lot rude. I believe they sometimes get tired of the same old questions being asked over and over or a new member acting like he knows everything and giving out bad advice.

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Not Always intentionally Rude.

Definitely not "Trying" to be rude.

I always try to avoid giving an answer to a question that will simply be repeated by the next post - or is a copy of the last post.

I usually look for a perspective that will not be covered or has not been covered. A few other veteran members do similar. Sometimes this can place our posts a little towards the Topic periferal. On more than one occasion the connection between the question and answer goes totally unrecognised.

I hope, that If ever one of my post appear to be rude. . that the reader re-reads the post. . because it is never my intention (well maybe on the odd occasion)

If I have a rude post posted. . Place it in this thread So I might explain my thinking. (do not go back too many months)

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Well... I don't think it has to see with old questions, questions are always questions, if I am a new member and I shoot a question to the forum, the veteran should notice that I am new and have some special kind of consideration with me. Also, being a new member means that I am not allowed to post comments or articles and share those with the community?

I believe if some veteran member is rude with a new one for asking and "old" question or "act" like he knows everything, then he/she will be discriminating to that person.

I know I am new but I hope to become a veteran and respected member, I will always be polite with new members, anyway, Veterans were rookies sometime.


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3dmagicaldesigns said -" I know I am new but I hope to become a veteran and respected member "

I hope so too.

Rudeness can probably be gradated, You have the Powerful Blunt and obvious. . At the far lesser scale you have for example a member that asks "a simple Question" and another member offers her thoughts. - see below.

Originally Posted by janeth
... they sometimes get tired of the same old questions being asked over and over or a new member acting like he knows everything and giving out bad advice.

In some peoples view to simply not accept this answer as a legitimate opinion - is rude. It could be argued that - a response like - "Well... I don't think it has to see with old questions" Is a little argumentative ( a trifle rude) because it directly argues with Janeths opinion that you yourself requested.

In some circles politeness would suggest you firstly thank Janeth for offering her thoughts, before offering your differeng perspective for comment.

Different parts of the world (cultures) accept differing standards. My own personal standard is. 'There should be no Ill intent' I am quite happy to accept accidental rudeness, as long as I feel there was no ill intent . .

I am happy to accept that 3dmagicaldesigns has only good intent, good topic.

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thanks for your kind words, you definitely have a point and yes my intentions are just the better, I hope to make friends like you.

good night, I am off for the day

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"A gentleman is one who never unintentionally offends another." - Oscar Wilde

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Well, since I can only speak for myself...

"Cranky"... yep I can tend to be that.
"Rude"... perhaps perceived so by some.
"Blunt"... guilty as charged.
"Abrasive" ... I'll take the 5th on this one.
"Oozing cuteness" ... My wife thinks so.

I have a variety of ways I'll try and make a point. Some could easily be considered as "not nice". Much depends on the mood I'm in and sometimes, why I think a post is being made. That's the "modly thang" I need consider.

In the end, it's water under the bridge for me. I think there's at least 1 member in this thread with whom I've had some rather heated debates that can attest to that.

Generally, if I see a member being "rude" simply for the sake of doing so, I'll try and steer the comments in a different direction.

For the most part, I don't think there's "ill intent" as Tubby put it. If I do, then the modly hat (An AC/DC Black Ice ballcap) get's donned and it's dealt with.

If at anytime a member feels there's "ill intent" then they are more than welcome to report the post or PM me.

Dave

BTW... Good posts in this thread IMO.

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While I do try to follow Wilde's maxim, I do not always succeed.

Sometimes the cause is as simple as the arthritis in my shoulder, the pinched nerve in my neck, the bad disc in my back, or my chronic sinuitis; physical pain & discomfort alone can try ones patience.

And, then, there's always the issue of frustration born of the inability to succeed in having another understand that which seems so obviously clear to oneself.

In short, all those things which affect our behavior in the physical realm manifest themselves in the virtual one as well.

As for
I've no doubt that there are those here, as well as at TechRepublic.com and Military.com, who would say that such might apply to me as well.

However, with regards to
you'll have to try to get your wife to answer that one. After all, a gentleman also never tells.

At the end of the day, it's a question of whether or not I'd sit down with the person in question for a chat over drinks. And, it is generally those who most antagonize me that I'd like to meet, to find out if they are so passionate in person as they are online, and why or why not; to more quickly determine what positions we hold in common; and, perhaps, to reconcile some of our differences.

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well... don't ask my wife lol she has had to deal with my bad mood many times lol

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Of course. . I think I should mention in this thread somewhere that we do need some conflict I quite often quite enjoy a little bit of 'aggro' in a thread . . A sort of a 'Hospital standard.' where mostly all is clean and tidy with a slight disinfected aroma. But now and then you come across a bit of Blood on the wall. Let us not get too Angelic. . . We do need variety.

Another point not mentioned is reputation. every member here can cast a vote whenever they feel inclined. the end result is reflected in some green 'reputation'.

Mostly you can add or remove 'reputation' for whatever turns you on, (or Off) So Rudeness or seriously offending someone can attract a penalty.

I know that I do value my three green blobs, (not sure why) but when you do not have an actual physical presence, there does seem to be a value in 'reputation'
even if it only makes me look more friendly. I like this green friendly look It does stop me from wanting to kill & Maim some of our sillier members.

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With time comes familiarity; and, with familiarity, a diminished sense of the need for being on ones guard, to not expose too much of ones self. With time, strangers become friends; some, like family.

Whether met in flesh & blood, or in word only, with time comes the freedom to be more true to ones nature.

The behavior that you witness in "veterans" is what you will eventually see in all who remain for a sufficient period of time. It's as natural a progression as that seen in the physical realm.

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Deepsand said
" With time comes familiarity; and, with familiarity, a diminished sense of the need for being on ones guard,"

That's a nice, unexpected, philosophical observation. It made me Smile

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Glad you like it; but, not sure why found it to be unexpected, as is not atypical.

Perhaps I've unknowingly favored TechRepublic with the majority of such.

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Frankness can be perceived as rudeness. i wish it weren't so, as 'frank,' like 'terse,' seems to be my middle name. deepsand hits it right on the head... we let our guard down, and speak with a certain familiarity even when there is none.

A stranger might be taken aback at the straightforwardness, but I don't feel that anyone of WPW's members is outright or 'unintentionally' rude. Let your perception go, and put on rose colored glasses for the first little while. It will look and feel different in time.

The sense of familiarity that develops is with respect to the other regulars. And, just like in a physical watering hole, having reached such a point, one generally speaks in the familiar, even in the presence of newcomers; it is only in privacy that newcomers might be differently addressed.

I am here reminded that some languages, Russian, for example, actually have 2 forms of personal pronouns, the "familiar" and the "formal." See T-V distinction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia . And, some have complex honorific systems; see Honorific - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .

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Now there you go.

Start talking about a "watering hole" and you don't bring enough tasty adult beverages for everyone.

How rude.

Dave

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Sorry, Dave; but, all I've got is tomato juice.

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I have the cucumber vodka and I'm pretty sure Dave has a bottle of torpedo juice left.. Sounds like the start of a party that will end with someone saying, but officer.... ......

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May be wrong here, but I think you mean "occifer."

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LOL...

There's a shoe and key check at the door. Everything get's thrown in a big giant box. Gotta find them on your own.

"Buh occifer, I dunno why I'm walkig dow the streep in my socks. Wah happen to my shooze?"

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Once mistook an "occifer" for a Letter Carrier; good fellow kindly offered to take me downtown for a private tour of the "Post Office."

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ROFL!

This goes back a bit... well more than a bit but I laugh everytime I think about it.

When I lived in Davenport, there was a giant club we played called Beethovens. My upstairs neighbor and I were pretty tight and she'd often go to the club with me. Still can see the car... Datsun 240Z.

One night on the way home after a gig, we got pulled over. Uh-oh... the "occifer" walked her behing the car and asked her to say the ABC's

Next thing I know she's behind the car SINGING the ABC's very loudly. All I could do was start laughing hysterically!

How neither of us got a private tour of the "Post Office" that night I'll never know.



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Instrument(s)? Vocals? Genre? Still play?

How'd she do with "LMNOP?" That phrase is tough enough when straight/sober.

Perhaps for lack of Law/Ordinance re. SUI/SWI?

Or, perhaps, the cop was simply more interested in the 240Z. While arguably not best of breed, it was/is definitely a very cool set of wheels. In fact, I'm looking at mine right now - on my most favorite coffee mug.

Do you recall the Datsun 2000? I vividly remember a gray winter's day when the 1st one arrived at a local dealer's showroom.

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I was the "voice". This goes back to the 70's and early 80's. Genre? Is loud and rowdy a genre? A lot of early AC/DC, Def Leppard, Rush, Nazareth, etc.

No, don't do it any more. There is some kids around the corner that fire it up in their garage during the summer. Every once in a while, they let me sit in for fun.

LMAO!!!!! You just reminded me that when she got to LMNOP she had to stop and start over!

I think in IA it was called OMVUI. May still be.

hehehehehehe... Perhaps the car. Perhaps because we were only 2 blks from home. Perhaps the car AND she was hot.

Sorry, no I really don't recall the 2000.

Dave

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Just because I want to be rude -

This thread is why old people get cranky and rude..

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lol, that's a good one, well, I am becoming rudest everyday.

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Guess that means we'll not be doing any duets at the Philly Folk Festival.

SUI/SWI = Singing Under the Influence/While Intoxicated.

That'd be my bet.

The Z car's predecessor.

1968 Datsun 2000 Sports Fairlady - Classic & Tuner Car - Super Street

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Hi when I first read this my reaction was yes there are a few odd ones but generally the veterans seem okay

But reading this thread I think maybe just a resounding YES

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Prolly not. No offense.

Actually, I have quite a diverse taste in music though. For one, I really like bagpipe and Celtic music.

Check out the Rouges sometime...

Rogue Sounds


Thanx. Will check it out.

Now to get cleaned up so I can (read as cuz I was told I have to) go to my niece's ice capades thingy.

Dave

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If you mean "yes; they are always trying to be rude," then you must mean that they are not rude by nature, else they'd not need to "try" to be rude here.

And, if not rude by nature, then "trying," i.e. making a deliberate & intentional effort, to be rude here is not the only possible explanation for the appearance of being rude.

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Used to get a good & regular fare of Celtic/British Isles music at the PFF; performers such as Battlefield Band, Boys of the Loch, Capercaille, de Danann, Mick Moloney (& Friends), etc..

Now, about the only thing can rely on in the Philly area is the Chieftans annual appearance at the Kimmel Center for the Performing Arts or the Academy of Music; indoors - no dancing allowed.

Thanks; will definitely do.



You have my sincere condolences.

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So, how was it? BTW, you do realize that you dated yourself by way of recalling the Ice Capades, don't you.

Oh, and I missed Silly Wizard in the list of performers that once frequented the stages at the PFF.

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Let's see... 20 min drive each way, had to park blocks away and walk, lasted for an hour and half, my niece was on the ice for 60 seconds.

No beer vendor either.

Dave

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lol, that's something to make you absolutely rude, I recommend to stay at home, relaxed and totally happy to make a post. By the way Crankydave, you are a very nice person and a wonderful contributor to the forum.

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All of which, after adding in damages for grief & aggravation, and multiplying by 60 to convert to an hourly basis, came out to no small sum.

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Are verteran members intentionally rude or are new and novice members just overly sensitive?



On behalf of the rude vets, would those of you who feel slighted please dial 911 forthwith to report a "Code Red Emergency". The operator will dispatch a Waa-mbulance to your location immediately.

I'm sorry, I realize I'm not being at all helpful in diffusing the situation but I just couldn't resist an opportunity to tease. Lolz.

Now you did it; we're gonna get accused of child abuse!

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Lol , this is really funny, thanks a lot for this, you made me laugh a lot!!

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I do what I can...

Thanks for taking it in the spirit in which it was intended.

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What is a webproworld veteran anyway? I see the designations, but I have no clue what they mean, and the website doesn't seem to have much explanation.

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I'm likely one of those in question but... in person it's likely worse... I'm blunt to the point and you don't have to worry about what I say behind your back because I'll say it to your face... I don't suffer fools well and have spent the better part of 13-14 yrs stifling misinformation that can hurt people. I don't mind questions but it's the answers that are self serving that really make me see red... take the question on rank checking yesterday as an example... says you should do it manually... of course he's from India and ... self serving hogwash

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NJ, the tag of Veteran goes to members who have had (I believe) over 300 or 400 posts.

Terry, I haven't read that thread in detail yet, but I can say you should check your rank manually. I caught Google a while back serving different results to the automated rank checkers than it did to human users.

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To date I have never found a difference between RankChecker and manual. WP yes... because it uses "" in the query. Any program that "" the query is going to be out a tad

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Also I doubt google was sending bad results... IME (first reseller of of WebPosition) SE's are always screwing with them it's the only defensce they have.

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Sorry Wige just read that over and may have worded it poorly. I don't call those bad results, simply because I believe some are rogue spiders (check the Mandate for SeoPros). The main reason I use RankChecker and why I believe it doesn't get played with is it's rate of requests. Compared to others it's stopped. Aaron was very cognizant of the request rate and Rank Checker runs as a plugin in FF. So It's likely harder to identify.

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