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I have a Sony DCR-SR72 25 Megapixel video camera with 60 Gb harddisk and up to 41 hours recording. In addition I installed the Sony Picture Motion Browser.
Here Index of /temp are the directory of the first two video clips:
It took 5 hours and 10 minutes to upload the biggest clip. Questions:
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You probably want to look for a host that supports some sort of streaming server or FFmpeg hosting (like youtube) is getting pretty popular and works very well.
There are lots of scripts that can help you do this but not all hosts support FFmpeg. One script I can think of that works well for this is PHPMotion. Keep in mind there is no such thing as unlimited space, it is a marketing trick. You need to read the fine print with such hosts. When was the last time you saw an "unlimited" hard drive down at your local computer store? There is always some limit, and unlimited disk is a deception that should be avoided. As for you upload, much of that has to do with your ISP. Most cap upload at 128k or 256k which is just 2x or 4x faster than dial-up, respectively. Mine caps at 384k even though they claim I have a 7 Meg connection the majority of that pipe it is used for download.
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A product that's available for a fair price that I use is Easyflv, great for turning video files in flv files that you can then stream. They include the applets et all, pretty much turnkey operation. I have yet to have a complaint or a problem. Just download, convert and post to your website, 30 minutes
The Link Add video to any website with our set of Streaming Video Software and Web Video Players the whole thing runs $37 I am not an affiliate, just a user Last edited by craigmn3; 10-03-2008 at 05:38 PM. |
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Yes unlimited bandwidth is also a marketing myth.
If you think what kind of traffic can slam a server for a simple script then you can imagine what happens with video.... I also think you need to realize that today few people will want to sit through 10 mins of video unless they are hardcore fans of the offering. We live in short attention span theater now.. so keep the vids short sweet and to the point! |
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KGUN - the first thing is the need for a better editing package. I would recommend using something like Camtasia Studio, which can seriously reduce the file size of a video. A 12 minute video should never be that size.
Camtasia can spit the video out into numerous different file types and players, including a flash player which can be customized to your needs. I would start there, a great product for a small investment. It also allows you to do other things such as do screen captures as video, so you could train on a software package or something along those lines. That software, plus a decent mic can provide good production along with the camera you have now.
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Sorry, I forgot to include a link. Camtasia Studio Screen Recorder for Demos, Presentations and Training
This can output to Flash, WMV, Ipod Video and much more...it is a great resource.
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No need to pay any money to convert something to flash video (.flv). Plenty of great free open source options out there.
Pazera does this just fine, for free. I've used it on a bunch of videos, has converted mpg, avi, pretty much everything I can throw at it. It's basically a nice front-end to ffmpeg, mentioned earlier, which is an open source media converter. Free Video to Flash Converter 1.0 - Convert video files to Flash Video (FLV, SWF), AVI to FLV, AVI to YouTube FLV converter - Jacek Pazera You can play with the settings in pazera like frames per second and encoding bitrate, even video size, to help you balance size vs. quality. I get huge files too coming off of Sony Vegas, but Pazera can reduce it down with no problems. And it runs on Windows. Jeremy Zerr Transform Your Internet Business - with Free Software |
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why dont you do a live broadcast with www.ubcam.com and embed the live stream into your site. you can even embed the recorded video if needed. its very simple
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KGUN, well, you posted MPG videos, so I figured that was what you were working with. The quality I've seen is very good out of Camtasia Studio, and the nice thing is that it isn't just a file converter. It also offers you much more in the avenue of capturing videos and such. Nice to produce other content if you are looking to get into it. Well worth the money in my opinion, and you can download a demo and try it for 30 days, so it's free to try it and see what the output is. Works great on everything I've created with it.
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It is a special MPG format, since I am not able to view it in the latest Windows Media Player for Windows XP Home Edition or Professional.
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Welcome to the wonderful world of web video. The easiest way to add video is to use a specialist video hosting site and link that to your ordinary web pages - by using an embedded player on your pages or simply by linking to the location of the video.
The specialist video host deals with all the technical problems. Depending on the type and purpose of the video, you can use "free" services such as Youtube or MySpace for low resolution video; services such as Vimeo for high resolution video. There are also "professional" services. Certain services are more popular in certain countries. Except for very special purposes, web videos should be short: 4 minutes is "long"; 10 minutes is "very long"! This is one of my test pieces: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-evjUfkRDHU&fmt=18 Most web video is supplied in Flash format, using the FLV or the VP6 codec. Many video hosting services will do the conversion into Flash. Some video is in MPEG-4; some is in Windows Media (.wmv). The MPEG-2 produced by your camcorder is too bulky for use on the web. You'll probably also have to reduce the frame size, to reduce the file size & bit rate. So, you'll need to edit the video, reduce the frame size, and convert it into a format acceptable to the video hosting company. Richard
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There is no answer possible without purpose.
Do you have a purpose for this kgun? Other than swapping with family or friends the files you are making are not really for the net - streaming them is a few - like many - years off. |
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I agree with converting it to flv as this format can stream even on servers that don't do streaming (the streaming is handled by Flash in the browser rather than the server - as far as the server can tell it's just a normal download). I made my own flv player in Flash, but I know there are pre-made streaming flash video players out there.
I also second the notion of keeping videos short, and also compressing the file size - just how small depends on your specific audience, the application, and your web host. I generally try to keep under 30 MB for short product demos, and under 100 MB for anything more in-depth, but there are always exceptions. |
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Not sure but isn't video a bit like images in the nets early days where it is unable to produce the same quality as the original if the original is too high in quality. In other words the offline quality amy be much higher than the online quality due to short comings in the formats that are compatible for Inet use? So there may be no real lose in quality in conversion to .flv, if sony can be converted.
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When I click on the video link, Windows MediaPlayer is opened, but it says: "that the file can not be replayed. It may happen that the player does not support the file type or that a necessary "kodek" is not installed on the computer". But as told above, my son has Vista and it plays ok. Are there Windows MediaPlayer Plugins like http://www.wmplugins.com/ that can be used with Windows XP? I have inluded a link to a clip, 33.9 Mb where I speak English.
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When I added video to a site the first time, this site was very helpful:
How to convert to Flash FLV Video and add it on your homepage - VideoHelp.com Of the options discussed, I used the Super program to convert. Quality is a trade-off. Faster = less quality. I've also read somewhere that true streaming uses a different protocol than http and is rather expensive. The streaming protocol depends on the format. Most sites use what they call progressive download streaming through http. So, the video is downloaded, but should start playing when an adequate buffer has been reached and will continue to download when playing. If you're doing tutorials, why not convert to Flash? It's not like it's an art film in hdtv. I used Flowplayer for the player, but the first link I posted provides a link to another player, too. This site and the JW Player Flowplayer |
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New to me. Interesting post. Thank you.
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I use the following software for online video. VideoWebWizard - Put Streaming Videos On Your Website In Just Minutes!
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I've been doing some video work just in the last couple of years. Now I convert videos to FLV using Flash (which I got with the Dreamweaver suite but have never mastered), then use JW player (http://www.jeroenwijering.com/) which is the most common player used nowadays, so they claim, and it does seems to be ubiquitous. Flowplayer seems to be similar. JW player is basically a Flash swf, and you can add the name of your video and other parameters ("flashvars") to the embed code. It can be configured and skinned in infinite ways. It doesn't need any special streaming video arrangement with the host or anything. Any hosting plan will do. The wizard on the JW site will help you get your code.
I only got into trouble when I tried to put a dozen players on a page to play audio samples. Browsers would seize up, but not every time, so I concluded that it was because I had so many on a page. But then I put all my samples in a playlist xml file attached to a single player, and all seems to be well now. Before that, I was uploading videos to YouTube or Google Video and embedding them on the page. I've been editing videos (from low-res ones from ordinary digital cameras, to others converted from DVD format into wmv or mp3) in Windows Movie Maker, which comes free with Windows. It's pretty intuitive, though primitive, I suppose, and someday, perhaps when I get a real digital video camera AND a new computer with a massive hard drive, I'll try something more sophisticated. I've added subtitles, made slideshows, added music, etc. basically forcing it to bend to my will. As with anything, the vision is more important than the tool, though the tool can facilitate the vision. Hope you get lots of fun out of it, kgun.
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Hi kgun
I first started working professionally with online streaming video back in 1996 when the serious surfers had super-fast 56k modems. I was producing, encoding and uploading video for the real estate industry here in Australia. Having spent literally 1,000's of hours experimenting, configuring and encoding various formats of video streaming technology it became apparent to me that the 'windows media encoder' was the tool that was setting the standard... Even way back then. My advice to you would be to download the 'windows media encoder' from Microsoft: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...r/default.mspx and easily encode your videos for streaming format. I worked with 'windows media encoder' from mpeg2 standard through to mpeg4 and onto mpeg7 standards. I haven't worked with it since the turn of the century ;O) but it is obviously still setting the industry standards as evidenced by the fact that video camera's are now encoding their files using this format. I have a sanyo video camera that encodes files to mpeg4 for video applications. Last edited by SEO; 10-04-2008 at 03:28 AM. |
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Thank you both for additional valuable input. One thought. Digital video cameras will be more and more important. Isn't it natural the these files could be streamed directly via the URL (URI), preferably with a format independent plugin?
Related: The mobile revolution Regarding Flash: I once bought this Flash MX 2004 Beyond the Basics Hands-On Training book that may now be outdated: Books. Chapter 10 and 11 of that book have some interesting sections: Chapter 10:
Any comments on these technologies?
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Thank you all for your positive response. I will study your answers and the subject in further detail. It is a very interesting subject. A natural next step will be videostreaming over Ip in real time with Ip camera system technology.
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1. The videos are downloaded to the hard-drive first. Mpeg 2 is not a video streaming format. Mpeg2 is for burning to CD. Mpeg4 is the standard for video streaming (From memory - I think also mpeg7 & mpeg9 to produce .wmv files). 2. mpeg files are windows media files, which default to 'windows media player'. You need to download the latest version of windows media player: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...1/default.aspx It took 2 mins for me to download the 1 min video of you speaking in english. That is way too high quality for video streaming. Try converting it to mpeg4 (current standard is no longer mpeg4 but .wmv which is probably mpeg9 or later) at about 640x 480 framesize using windows media encoder: Windows Media Encoder 640x 480 framesize would be a good starting point for you if you want to stream. There will be a marked loss in quality. Encoding videos for video streaming is all about compromise. You need to compromise video quality for file size. 1st. Download an mpeg to avi converter: MPEG TO AVI, MPEG TO DIVX, MPEG TO XVID, CONVERT 3GPP TO AVI and convert your video to avi format. 2nd. Convert avi file to a streaming video file using windows media encoder: Windows Media Encoder 3rd. Upload and enjoy... I just tested it and converted your video to a full screen .wmv file of approx 7mb (down from your file that was about 34mb). I temporarily uploaded the output file to my server for you to have a look: http://www.searchengineoptimization-...e/output-1.wmv That is probably the maximum quality that you would need for online streaming video. Last edited by SEO; 10-05-2008 at 03:50 PM. |
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Excellent answer. You deserve 20 rep points.
When I open the link in IE 6.0, it is opened directly in Windows Media Player. And the quality may be good enough? Now it is close to delivering real time quality video streaming over Ip. Never learned so much so fast as in this thread. Related WPW threads: Online Live Broadcasting - the easy way TV vs. Online Video
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Hi Kgun,
When I clicked the link to the short video about AJAX, it downloaded the whole file but then would not play. I used IE6 and the video placeholder displayed in the page once it had download was a Quicktime logo. But since I don't have Quicktime installed on this machine it wouldn't play. I have Windows Media Player 11 installed though, and when I clicked SEO's link for the converted version of your AJAX video in WMV format, it opened Media Player and played perfectly. I'm no expert in this field, so take this with a grain of salt. In regards to all of the different suggestions and your seeming desire to have multiple uses for your videos (online, streaming, download to TV, et cetera) I think you may need to produce different copies of your videos for at least some of your different purposes. For instance, not all TVs will be able to view videos in the same formats and many TVs, won't display them at all - they will need an input device that can convert the video (such as a DVD player, video console, and so on). And the reduced quality of videos for online viewing will not burn to DVD and be playable with the quality you want. So, one version for online streaming (or simulated streaming using FLV) and another version in a higher resolution format for downloading and burning to DVD to watch on TV. Hope this helps.
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If you're sure that your target web audience will have WMP installed then wmv may be easier for you at this point. However, if your target audience is the world wide web, I would highly recommend you reconsider streaming flash, for compatibility reasons. More people have flash installed than windows media player, plus WMP cannot stream the file for you - you would need an expensive hosting server to do that. Also, if you use wmv, be careful about compression methods that use codecs that may not be installed on the end users computer.
Now about the DVD - You'll need to know if your target audience needs PAL or NTSC formats (NTSC is used here in the States - my player will read both but I'm not sure that's the norm). For true DVD, you'll burn as a DVD-video (software will create an AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS folder which you burn to disk). There are many other options such as VCD, SVCD,etc. but this DVD-Video format will work in EVERY DVD PLAYER (PAL and NTSC exceptions as noted - sorry I can't help more here but maybe someone else can). I started trying to learn more about video about a year ago, and now my computer is clogged up with MANY editing, converting, and burning programs. I learned a lot from the guides and forums at AfterDawn.com. I still learn something new with each new project. I'm watching this thread hoping to learn more from someone more experienced!! |
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I imagine Rupert Murdoch would be be wanting to put himself into an 'authority' position for streaming video. Have you seen his new website Hulu - Watch your favorites. Anytime. For free. ?
Hulu - About It appears that he too is using Macromedia Flash format to present streaming video content. I can't watch it because I am not in the U. S. so I can only imagine the quality, but I would say that after investments of more than $100 million into the project, that the quality would be pretty high. 'Real Time' is just a term used to describe the ability to update information at the same time that it is received which, as far as video streaming, has been possible for more than 10 years. 'Live Real Time' video streaming (video conferencing) was being used last century, so it is nothing new. It is only the quality and utilization that has changed. Video telephones are just one modern example of what used to be called 'video conferencing'. We even have streaming video watches. In theory it is possible for us to 'watch the news as it happens' with a time delay of mere seconds. The video that I encoded for you was roughly 7mb for a 1min video which translates to roughly 120kbsec. a T1 cable connection to the internet (which in Australia you can have for around $50pm) supposedly has a datarate transfer of 1.5mb sec. So, it is currently possible to stream video at a substantially higher quality than the one that I encoded for you. The trouble is... that the hosting servers need to be able to support this speed + multiple downloads. You can also encode your video to be streamed using multiple bitrate variables. Which basically means that I encode my video to the highest quality settings with lower bitrate settings also encoded into the same file. In other words you can encode the one video to stream in 'real time' whether the end user has a 1.5mb T1 connection or a 28k modem connection. With streaming video it is all about finding the right compromise for your specific needs and purpose. Last edited by SEO; 10-08-2008 at 06:48 PM. |
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Thank you for your answer. I learn as long as I live or the other way round.
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I've been installing Firefox on more computers lately, and for those who like to surf I've been adding the NoScript add-on. I still find websites that won't work properly on Firefox though, then I start up IE. For a true computer newbie, this might be a bit confusing, so I stick with IE for them. For the rest, I explain that IE is the buggy browser, and in the old days many webmasters coded websites to work with IE's bugs, and the buggy coding might not work in FF. I even have an old shopping cart hosted by Network Solutions that uses a browser-based file transfer instead of FTP, and it won't work in Firefox. It's frustrating. I'm upgrading to a new version soon and hope the coding is more compliant but we'll see.
NoScript is a godsend for those who like to surf but don't have a good feel for which websites or links to avoid. I've seen less malware problems with these users since installing NoScript and they seem to love it - I guess it makes them feel less vulnerable. I hope you keep us posted on which delivery method you choose for your videos, why you chose it, and any insight you gather along the way. |
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FFMPEG Hosting is special hosting for online video sharing web sites. FFMPEG convert video to flv format or any video format.
FFMPEG Hosting support requirements for YouTube clone script, includes ffmpeg, ffmpeg-php, flvtool, Libogg, Libvorbis, LAME MP3 Encoder, Mplayer and Mencoder. (I can't say if they are any good, but it maybe of help in your travels) Also check out DivX Video Player - DivX Video Codec - DivX Converter |
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Thank you very much. Constantly new information in this thread. I also think time works for big files of high quality.
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You may find some ideas here Films. Full Length Films (A page of my own linking to full films)
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Again thank you for your info. There is a broken image link on that site. And on the flash.html page you should replace Macromedia with Adobe to be up to date.
Your sites are an impressing resource. A portal competitor to Google in my view. <off topic> Can I ask you about your experience with the Amazon publisher program? My experience is not good so long. </off topic>
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Another, thing that may help, I've just found this:- NZB is an XML-based file format for retrieving posts from NNTP (Usenet) servers. The format was conceived by the developers of the Newzbin.com Usenet Index. NZB is effective when used with search-capable websites. These websites create NZB files out of what is needed to be downloaded. Using this concept, headers would not be downloaded hence the NZB method is quicker and more bandwidth-efficient. |
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