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Old 09-04-2008, 08:47 AM
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Default SERPS: What are good search results?

Try the following KW searche's (quotes included):

"allow Scandinavian IP region"

"block Scandinavian IP region"

"Scandinavian IP region"

on the three main SE's + Clusty the clustering search engine + Factbites: Where results make sense and give your independent / objective opinion on the question in the heading.

<side note>
New internet trends here in Scandinavia.

Norwegian ISP's are adviced by the government to filter all sites with child porn. If it is not done voluntarily, it will be made statutory.

Rumours say the all Swedish internet traffic will be monitored by the Government to prevent terror against Sweden.
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Default Re: SERPS: What are good search results?

No reply to such an important topic? The point is that the search results from Google that I checked was useless. In some instances no answer is better than thousands of irrelevant answers (hits).

I found the answer i WPW member Techmanager's signature link: http://www.countryipblocks.net/

This http://www.blockacountry.com/ is not complete at least on Norway.

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Default Re: SERPS: What are good search results?

Now, testing both of them the first seems too wide and the last may be too restrictive.
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Default Re: SERPS: What are good search results?

kgun:

I am not sure I fully understand your question. The IP Blocks presented at www.countryipblocks.net are mined directly from the five RIR's as tied to ICAAN. These IP Blocks are updated at least once a day and often several times a day so as to be the most accurate and current lists available.

IP blocks are allocated to specific countries/ISP's or other server block organizations within those countries and to certain government organizations. This is the raw data. Once an IP block has been assigned, the network distributions may be further broken down into other networks and subnets.

The raw data presented through the www.countryipblocks.net country IP database is the exact data harvested from the various registries. In your case the registry is ripencc: www.ripe.net.

If you are looking for further refinement of the IP blocks associated with Norway just let me know. We have the complete database.

Another point, at least when it comes to Europe and the allocation entry known as the European Union or EU, is that the EU is an entity unto itself and may contain IP blocks technically assigned to the EU, but actually made up of data from member countries.

From what I can tell about blockacountry.com, there data is incomplete and out of date. Afghanistan is a perfect example. There are currently 14 raw networks assigned to Afghanistan. We have all 14 listed. They have nine.

As for Norway, www.countryipblocks.net lists all 393 IP Blocks assigned to Norway as of 9/21/2008. blockacountry.com only lists 337.

If you see differences beyond what is mentioned already, please keep in mind that there is a difference between the raw data and what may happen after the raw data is assigned.

Country IP Blocks mines the raw data, filters it based on status (reserved, allocated, assigned. allocated but unassigned), then processes it through a nearly 100,000 line algorithm to determine proper network assignment, mask, CIDR, IP range, location, and lots of other info, etc. The data can be formulated into any ruleset required.

Sometime after the first of the year we hope to expand and include the WHOIS data as well as a secondary database that will process the country location based on the subnets created by the local network administrators.

Without fully understanding what you are asking or are trying to accomplish, I don't think I can offer much additional information. Please clarify and I will see what we can do to help.
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Default Re: SERPS: What are good search results?

KGUN:

Many of the search engines produce little or no results based on your topic because you are searching "Scandinavian IP region," "block Scandinavian IP region," and "Scandinavian IP region."

IP Block assignments are not allocated to Scandinavian countries, per se. They are allocated to countries that make up the geographical region considered Scandinavian countries. These countries include Norway, Sweden and Denmark though some sources include Finland and Iceland as well.

Try the following in Google:

Norway IP Blocks

Sweden IP Blocks

Denmark IP Blocks

Finland IP Blocks

Iceland IP Blocks

The results will be better.
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As for Norway, www.countryipblocks.net lists all 393 IP Blocks assigned to Norway as of 9/21/2008. blockacountry.com only lists 337.

I noted that.
  1. Are the first 337 identical? The first few and #337 were as far as I could see.
  2. I think some of the remaining 393-337 may contain some non-Norwegian.
  3. What are the possibilities by using proxy servers?
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Broken link, but I know what you mean: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&r...ks&btnG=Search

You should go into SEO

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Old 09-21-2008, 04:08 PM
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KGUN:

If you have been relying on blockacountry.com for your country ip lists for Norway then you have been relying on erroneous data.

Here are networks they include in the Norway list that are clearly not in Norway:

32.0.0.0/8 This is an entire class A address block located in the United States and assigned to AT&T. The 32.0.0.0/8 contains 16,777,216 addresses (excluding network and broadcast).

91.189.208.0/21 This address space is allocated to Finland.

213.149.192.0/19. This address space is allocated to Italy.

After comparing the blockacountry.com results for Norway with those of Country IP Blocks you will notice a significant difference: Country IP Blocks provides the correct data!

If you are relying on the data you received from blockacountry.com to allow access only to IP addresses assigned to Norway, you are going to run into serious problems. First off, you are including the three network blocks above. This opens the door to nearly 17,000,000 million non-Norwegian addresses.

Secondly, aside from the clearly erroneous data on blockacountry.com, blockacountry.com is also missing another 60 networks allocated to Norway. This will clearly prevent a huge portion of Norway from accessing your website.

This is cutting into my golf time, but as a favor to you I am providing the additional 60 IP address blocks below. Each hyperlink address leads to the associated whois data at RIPENCC and ARIN (for the lone Norwegian block assigned to Arin but allocated to Norway:



77.16.0.0/14
78.24.88.0/21

78.24.144.0/21
78.26.0.0/18
78.31.80.0/21
78.41.136.0/21
78.111.112.0/20
78.156.0.0/19
78.158.224.0/19

79.135.0.0/19
79.141.96.0/20
79.170.80.0/21
79.171.80.0/21

91.195.8.0/23
91.198.123.0/24
91.198.176.0/24
91.198.201.0/24

91.198.207.0/24
91.199.63.0/24
91.199.195.0/24
91.203.96.0/22

91.203.116.0/22
91.203.204.0/22
91.204.112.0/22
91.205.184.0/22

91.206.34.0/23
91.208.8.0/24

91.208.24.0/24
91.208.54.0/24

91.208.148.0/24
92.42.64.0/21
92.43.8.0/21
92.62.32.0/20
93.89.32.0/20
93.89.112.0/20

93.91.96.0/20
93.92.24.0/21
93.93.72.0/21
93.93.96.0/21
93.94.8.0/21

93.124.128.0/17
93.159.192.0/21

93.177.64.0/18
93.184.112.0/20

93.185.160.0/20
93.187.80.0/21
93.188.88.0/21
93.188.232.0/21

93.190.80.0/21
93.191.112.0/21
94.102.32.0/20
94.186.0.0/17
195.5.166.0/24
195.5.174.0/24
195.5.183.0/24

195.93.232.0/23
204.79.234.0/24 (Assigned throu ARIN, allocated to Norway)
212.251.128.0/17
213.52.0.0/17
213.153.0.0/19


Get the complete list of Norway IP blocks or blocks for up to 250 countries, in seven different formats, at Country IP Blocks.

There ya go KGUN. You seriously cut into my golf time today so how about some rep points?
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Default Re: SERPS: What are good search results?

Facts:
  1. While the forum was open, I had a lot of spam sign ups. Too many in my view.
  2. Then I started to use block a country, block by ip address, deny access by country and I did not get a single sign up.
  3. Since I noted that some Norwegian IP's were blocked, I started to use your list some weeks ago and the problem returned. Most of them signed up but did not confirm by email, a clear sign of spambots. I use this http://starfoxtj.phpbbhelp.org//phpBB/toolkit/ tool to detect that.
  4. Today I returned to BlockAcountry's list and so long the registration has stopped.
  5. I have read what you write above, but my observation is that your list is effectively too wide.
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If you are relying on the data you received from blockacountry.com to allow access only to IP addresses assigned to Norway, you are going to run into serious problems. First off, you are including the three network blocks above. This opens the door to nearly 17,000,000 million non-Norwegian addresses.
You mean 17 million?

17,000,000 million = 17 000 000 000 000 = 17 trillion Ip's.


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Get the complete list of Norway IP blocks or blocks for up to 250 countries, in seven different formats, at Country IP Blocks.
I have registered that.

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Secondly, aside from the clearly erroneous data on blockacountry.com, blockacountry.com is also missing another 60 networks allocated to Norway. This will clearly prevent a huge portion of Norway from accessing your website.
I also noted that when some people from Norway said they were unable to sign up. That is the reason I am looking for a better list.

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There ya go KGUN. You seriously cut into my golf time today so how about some rep points?
I am still not convinced, but give you a positive rep point for the hard work.

You may get additional when this case is settled.

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Old 09-21-2008, 08:28 PM
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Here are networks they include in the Norway list that are clearly not in Norway:

32.0.0.0/8 This is an entire class A address block located in the United States and assigned to AT&T. The 32.0.0.0/8 contains 16,777,216 addresses (excluding network and broadcast).
Class A address block may be a new concept to some readers. Here is a more thorough explanation:

84.48.177.179/32 = 84.48.177.179 through 84.48.177.179 [1 IP - Single IP]
84.48.177.178/31 = 84.48.177.178 through 84.48.177.179 [2 IPs]
84.48.177.176/30 = 84.48.177.176 through 84.48.177.179 [4 IPs]
84.48.177.176/29 = 84.48.177.176 through 84.48.177.183 [8 IPs]
84.48.177.176/28 = 84.48.177.176 through 84.48.177.191 [16 IPs]
84.48.177.160/27 = 84.48.177.160 through 84.48.177.191 [32 IPs]
84.48.177.128/26 = 84.48.177.128 through 84.48.177.191 [64 IPs]
84.48.177.128/25 = 84.48.177.128 through 84.48.177.255 [128 IPs]
84.48.177.0/24 = 84.48.177.0 through 84.48.177.255 [256 IPs - Class C]
84.48.176.0/23 = 84.48.176.0 through 84.48.177.255 [512 IPs]
84.48.176.0/22 = 84.48.176.0 through 84.48.179.255 [1024 IPs]
84.48.176.0/21 = 84.48.176.0 through 84.48.183.255 [2048 IPs]
84.48.176.0/20 = 84.48.176.0 through 84.48.191.255 [4096 IPs]
84.48.160.0/19 = 84.48.160.0 through 84.48.191.255 [8192 IPs]
84.48.128.0/18 = 84.48.128.0 through 84.48.191.255 [16384 IPs]
84.48.128.0/17 = 84.48.128.0 through 84.48.255.255 [32768 IPs]
84.48.0.0/16 = 84.48.0.0 through 84.48.255.255 [65536 IPs - Class B]
84.48.0.0/15 = 84.48.0.0 through 84.49.255.255 [131072 IPs]
84.48.0.0/14 = 84.48.0.0 through 84.51.255.255 [262144 IPs]
84.48.0.0/13 = 84.48.0.0 through 84.55.255.255 [524288 IPs]
84.48.0.0/12 = 84.48.0.0 through 84.63.255.255 [1048576 IPs]
84.32.0.0/11 = 84.32.0.0 through 84.63.255.255 [2097152 IPs]
84.0.0.0/10 = 84.0.0.0 through 84.63.255.255 [4194304 IPs]
84.0.0.0/9 = 84.0.0.0 through 84.127.255.255 [8388608 IPs]
84.0.0.0/8 = 84.0.0.0 through 84.255.255.255 [16777216 IPs - Class A]
84.0.0.0/7 = 84.0.0.0 through 85.255.255.255 [33554432 IPs]
84.0.0.0/6 = 84.0.0.0 through 87.255.255.255 [67108864 IPs]
80.0.0.0/5 = 80.0.0.0 through 87.255.255.255 [134217728 IPs]
80.0.0.0/4 = 80.0.0.0 through 95.255.255.255 [268435456 IPs]
64.0.0.0/3 = 64.0.0.0 through 95.255.255.255 [536870912 IPs]
64.0.0.0/2 = 64.0.0.0 through 127.255.255.255 [1073741824 IPs]
0.0.0.0/1 = 0.0.0.0 through 127.255.255.255 [2147483648 IPs]
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Facts:
  1. While the forum was open, I had a lot of spam sign ups. Too many in my view.
  2. Then I started to use block a country, block by ip address, deny access by country and I did not get a single sign up.
  3. Since I noted that some Norwegian IP's were blocked, I started to use your list some weeks ago and the problem returned. Most of them signed up but did not confirm by email, a clear sign of spambots. I use this PHPBB Admin ToolKit :: Starfoxtj tool to detect that.
  4. Today I returned to BlockAcountry's list and so long the registration has stopped.
  5. I have read what you write above, but my observation is that your list is effectively too wide.
You mean 17 million?

17,000,000 million = 17 000 000 000 000 = 17 trillion Ip's.



I have registered that.



I also noted that when some people from Norway said they were unable to sign up. That is the reason I am looking for a better list.


I am still not convinced, but give you a positive rep point for the hard work.

You may get additional when this case is settled.

Yes, I meant 17 million. You say your observation is that my list is too wide? Please explain the comment as I am unsure of your intended meaning.
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kgun:

Here are the keypoints as I see them.
  1. You want to use an "allow" ACL to permit forum access to people with IP addresses in Norway.
  2. You want to disallow access to all other countries.
  3. In order to effectively meet the requirements of points one and two above, you need a network/IP list containing 100% of the IP blocks assigned to Norway.
  4. You are currently using the incomplete and error prone list from blockacountry.com. Their list is missing 534,216 IP addresses in Norway. Their list also includes an additional 16,787,456(approx.) IP addresses from the USA (16,777,216), Finland (2,04 and Italy (8,192). Which means you are blocking a large part of Norway and allowing other countries access. This defeats the purpose of points one and two
  5. Country IP Blocks will generate you a list containing 100% of the IP ranges assigned to Norway. The Norway list does not contain IP Ranges assigned to other countries. The proper use of this list effectively meets the requirements of points one and two.
While you have not provided any tangible data to support any of your claims, I suspect that you either have your ACL configured improperly or you are not examining the data. If, as you claim, when you use blockacountry.com's incorrect data you are stopping forum spammers and are happy with the alleged result, then by all means rely on incorrect data.

If you are using Country IP Blocks Norway IP database and are seeing some forum spam, don't panic. If your premise is that only allowing all Norway traffic will eliminate forum spam your premise is mistaken.

There are several open proxies in Norway. These proxies will or may allow people from other countries to spam your forum. Here is an example.

My advice to you is to use the most accurate list possible, properly configure your ACL and monitor suspicious activity. If you are seeing forum spam compare the signup data provided by your forum to the data contained in your server logs. Make sure you know exactly where the alleged forum spam originates. Get the IP and test it to see if it belongs to a known spammer or an open proxy. Add the IP to your DISALLOW list.

Now, as for your comment that the data I provide through Country IP Blocks is too wide, what do you mean? The list is accurate? Does it trouble you that it is too accurate? Does it trouble you that it contains 534,528 IP addresses for Norway that are sadly missing from blockacountry.com?

When you state that the list is too wide someone could infer that it contains extraneous data. This would be incorrect.

If you need further assistance with this issue please let me know.

Best regards,

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  1. Your understanding of my plan is correct.
  2. There is no new registration today after going back to the old IP list.
  3. Give me a static IP, and I invite you to join my forum as an administrator with access to the forum panel, so you can see who signs up when I use your list.
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  1. Your understanding of my plan is correct.
  2. There is no new registration today after going back to the old IP list.
  3. Give me a static IP, and I invite you to join my forum as an administrator with access to the forum panel, so you can see who signs up when I use your list.
I am sending you two IP addresses through PM.
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KGUN:

Many of the search engines produce little or no results based on your topic because you are searching "Scandinavian IP region," "block Scandinavian IP region," and "Scandinavian IP region."

IP Block assignments are not allocated to Scandinavian countries, per se. They are allocated to countries that make up the geographical region considered Scandinavian countries. These countries include Norway, Sweden and Denmark though some sources include Finland and Iceland as well.

Try the following in Google:

Norway IP Blocks

Sweden IP Blocks

Denmark IP Blocks

Finland IP Blocks

Iceland IP Blocks

The results will be better.
So you may agree to this post:

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No reply to such an important topic? The point is that the search results from Google that I checked was useless. In some instances no answer is better than thousands of irrelevant answers (hits).
My bolding.
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