Modern telescopes can only see out to about 400 000 years after the Big Bang. Therefore experimental physics is used to understand what happened in more detail.

Here are four links where it is natural to start.

1. E=mc2 Explained a very simple quadratic equation, but very fundamental, since it say that there is equality between energy (E) and mass (m). That means that before the big bang there could only be energy present. The equation can be uesed two ways.
2. Large Hadron Collider - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The Wikipedia explanation of Large Hadron Collider (LHC).
3. LHC_Homepage and
4. CERN - The Large Hadron Collider

Note that the world wide web emerged from this project: Welcome to info.cern.ch

Some KW's to Google:

• LHC
• The Basic model
• Gluon
• Higgs field.
• Higgs particle.

The experiment will hopefully bring us before the Cosmic Dark Age. It is hoped that higher dimensions than our three can be observed as a part of the experiment. It is said that science is what we do when we do not kow what to do.

When you look at stars, you observe cosmic history. The further out you see, the longer time light has travelled and the closer you are to the start of the big bang when space and time did not exist, only energy according to the equation in 1. above.

Why is it so difficult to imagine more than three dimensions. We are living in three D space and observe it as 360 degrees with four 90 degrees angles. In a higher dimesional system explained in greater detail here

http://www.webproworld.com/breakroom...tml#post364314

that may a "wrong" picture.

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Because we intuitively perceive a 3D world and we don't think of time as a dimension because it doesn't have a physical 'size'

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I clicked a few links to see what is this CERN and its amazing to hear of these things.

I watched a program about Stephen Hawkins work and they tried to give a basic idea about quantum physics, which demonstrated a little about other dimensions that we might be unaware of.

To be honest I did not realise prior to that that this was within the realms of physics, or that scientists were going to so much trouble to put their theories to the test.

Fascinating...thanks...I wish I was 18 again and I would go to college and study this kind of thing. I didnt realise back then how amazing science was, at school I just remember finding it tiresome having to memorise the periodical table and stuff when I wanted to be doing gymnastics. But now, well if I could go back in time....

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The easiest way to go back in time is to watch the stars.

I think you are aware of Stephen W. Hawking's web page His popularized books are facinating.

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Stop thinking 90 degrees outside a dimension > 3D.

Side note, an angle of 1 degree can span billions of light years if you are far enough from the origin.

Euclidian planes and spaces are human generated.

Natures form is fractal.

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They're looking for a 'theory of everything' trying to reconcile realtivity with string theory (or something along those lines). Its absolutely fascinating. I have watched the program for lay people and while you watch it you 'kind've' understand it, but really at the end of the day the stuff these guys is saying borders on the esoteric.

The first time you heard about 'time dilation' don't even tell me you weren't even a little bit perplexed.

Yes, they have proven it, the laws of physics apply equally in any inertial frame, but humans PERCEIVE a world where it would make more sense for clocks to be a constant....ie. I perceive a second, you perceive a second (no matter what your velocity!)

I love it when they begin speaking about massive objects like the sun and black holes and how they warp space time and how lights bends around the sun (and again they have proven it), but it still makes you wonder - warping into what exactly?

Well, let's hope they don't manufacture a black hole which swallows us up!

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I think we must have watched the same programme.

If so.....the point that interested me a little, was that Einstein was actually very averse to these new theories of quantum physics etc.

I thought that was interesting.

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This really bugsme..

because that is assuming that personal perception overrides all actual physical phenomena..and to me that seems crazy.

Forget Schroedingers cat for a minute...if an old man dies in a bedsit without any relatives or visitors...does his time of death alter just because noone is actually aware that he is dead...I would say no...the lonley old guy dying alone in his bedsit is dead whether or not anyone sees it.

So its at that point...that I lose comprehension of what they are getting at.

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Yes there was a story on our news about that possibility according to my oldest daughter. I would say if it happens 1 of a billion times, stop it. I heard a Swedish scientist that participate in the project. Said the following.

"It can happen, but it will be so small and it will disappear in a few seconds".

With what is my question? With energy or mass and what mass?

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I found the frightening story on our news:

- Jorden kan bli slukt*|* TV 2 Nyhetene

Headline:
The earth can be swallowed.

Subtitle: "Americans go to court to stop what they fear can mean the end of our earth and universe?"

My own thoughts without reading that article.

• Who has the final word on this project?
• What is the ethical side of the project?
• What is the implication for future projects.

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I remember a book I got from a now died IBM employee about (or popularized by) Einstein where he said that it would be no problem blowing the whole earth in pices.

Go back to my first post. According to the equation mentioned there, there is equality between mass and energy. Our body is mass, but according to that equation there is an equivivalent energy. The sides of the equation can be changed. Our body is mass when we live and may become energy when we die?

Only my fantasy.

Think of this. What dimension does

1. a line that covers the whole two dimensional paper have?
2. What dimension does a sponge have?
3. What dimension does a coral have?
4. What dimension does a galaxy have?

Have you ever seen the axis in the three dimensional space Euclidian inspired mathematicians say that we live in?

Acording to fractal mathematics, the coastline of Norway :

Mandelbrot points out that the length L of a coastline depends on the ... dimension very close to unity, while the very rugged Norwegian coast has D=1.52. ...

So is it possible for us to live in a space:

3 < D < 4?

If so, there can be many universes living in different branches of that fractal.

Our own universe can be one element in a fractal with uncountable number of elements like the Cantor set.

Only pure speculation.

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Yes, Einstein said something along the lines of 'God does not play dice' since the string theory relies on statistical probabilities (again I could be slightly off).

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I suppose France and Switzerland would have the authority to stop the project as a mere expression of sovereignity.

Assuming arguendo that the project is legitimately dangerous? (I really don't know). Its clear that actions in one country can have negative externalities in another. We can look at riparian rights (international rivers) over the course of years, we can look at events like Chernobyl, global warming, etc. I think its clear that a nation state must consider the costs and risks imposed on others beyond the borders of the traditional nation state.

I don't know! We will have to look at it on a case by case basis.

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A lot of research teams outside France and Swtzerland are involved in the project. A least Harvard from the USA is involved.

1. Where shall the responsibility lie?
2. At the UN?
3. Will that make the project more safe?
4. Will it make similar future projects more safe?

Most probably they have full control.

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Here is an article I read recentlky, as you got me interested in this Haldron Collider Kjun,

This guy reported in the Telegraph, has a theory that CW1685 will be pleased about, as it "....does not require more than one dimension of time and three of space, when some rival theories need ten or even more spatial dimensions and other bizarre concepts. And it may even be possible to test his theory, which predicts a host of new particles, perhaps even using the new Large Hadron Collider atom smasher that will go into action near Geneva next year."

Surfer dude stuns physicists with theory of everything - Telegraph

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Nice article, sometimes the simpler explanations turn out to be the best ones!

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Jo continue calling me Kjun, but I am a gun

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oh yes...so you are...LOL...I am thinking of the spicy chicken Kajun style

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Whew...we're still here! Looks like they tested it this morning.

Hope they 'see' new subatomic particles....for $10 billion plus, you'd think they'd be turning subatomic particles into gold!

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Me too. I am still HERE 30 billion years after the Big Bang.

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Still here also and planning a trip to another dimension...I hope they will have some nice resorts there!!!

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chandrika said
"oh yes...so you are...LOL...I am thinking of the spicy chicken Kajun style"

above lies an amusing demonstration of perception.

Kgun = spicy chicken . . I love it. I can almost imagine Kgun now getting swallowed up - (but not by a black hole)

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Q: Why did the chicken cross the Mobius strip?
A: To get to the same side.

/ugh

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