G8 Leaders Tout Massive Wind Farms To Thwart Global Warming

jmiller · #1 (**permalink**) 07-20-2005, 08:18 PM

According to an anonymous source, the conglomeration of world leaders at the recent G8 Summit in Scotland decided almost unanimously on an initiative to combat the threat of global warming. Their answer: strategically placed wind farms aimed at cooling the overall air temperature of the globe.

The announcement of the news was forestalled by the recent terror bombings that ripped through the London underground on July 7th.

The plan was presented to the meeting of world leaders by an international scientific team made up of American and British climate experts, the Wind and Hydropower Institute for Rapid Recooling (WHIRR) pulling from a collection of research known as the British Refrigeration Resource Repository (BRRR).

The proposal was spearheaded by Lord May, the president of the Royal Society, Britain’s leading scientific institution.

"Never before have we faced such a global threat. And if we do not begin effective action now, it will be much harder to stop the runaway train as it continues to gather momentum," Lord May said to the summit members.

The plan calls for a multi billion dollar construction program aimed at “wind redirection”- massive wind farms, that would take up land the size of New York state, with over 600,000 massive wind turbines, some over 200 meters high with blades stretching to 50 to 75 meters long.

These farms would be placed in oceanic and large lake areas, as well as regions near the North and South Poles, pulling the chilling wind from surface of the water and redirecting them outward toward the poles. The wind farms would set up a sophisticated network of wind transmission thought to stop melting glacial formations and eventually end global warming.

Based on the presentation, the UK Government is proposing to reclaim half of all available land in Kent and Essex to erect the wind farms. Four Scottish Islands have already been purchased under compulsory purchase orders. In all over 2,million perhaps many more 'giant wind turbines will be produced and erected with immediate effect.

Canada and Russia, nearest to the Arctic Circle, will bare the brunt of 'front line turbines', with over 500,000 each. Argentina and Australia are also considering front line wind farm efforts on an equal scale.

President George W. Bush, who has been under heavy criticism for his refusal to sign the Kyoto Protocol aimed at reducing global emissions, was quick to sign on to the effort. Mr. Bush felt that the building and maintaining of the gasoline-powered turbines would create badly needed jobs while answering the world’s call to a “War on Warming.”

“Global warming has aroused a sleeping, sweaty giant. The American people are committed to ending this cancerous threat to our way of life,” said the President.

Bush said land surrounding the Great Lakes and most of the lakes in Minnesota would be claimed by the government under the rule of eminent domain. The project is expected to take six years at an expense of $70 billion.

Six of the world leaders agreed that a global initiative was needed to solve a global threat. President Jacques Chirac of France and Gerhard Schroeder of Germany dissented the majority opinion claiming the effectiveness of such an expensive and land-consuming endeavor lacked empirical evidence.

President Chirac took the debate one step further by accusing President George W. Bush and his administration of cooking the books on wind farms, and accusing British Prime Minister Tony Blair of being a puppet of the American agenda setters.

The type of wind farms proposed, argued Chirac, would exclusively run on gasoline, implying that the giant wind turbines would only serve to fatten the pockets of oil tycoons. In addition, Chirac expressed disappointment that none of the other countries had asked for French input on turbine development.

Environmentalists have voiced concern and mixed emotions about the initiative. While global warming is high on their list of concerns, they were reticent to accept the emissions produced by giant gasoline powered fans. In addition, they expressed worry over the potential loss of birds. It is estimated that in Toronto alone, because of the tall buildings, 10,000 birds die every year from colliding with the stationary structures.

Supporters dispute those estimates by citing the 7000 turbines already erected in California along a migratory route that have been responsible for only 0.2 bird deaths per turbine per year. While it is unknown if California birds are smarter than Canadian birds, experts say a loss of birds could have the added benefit of controlling the spread of the Asian bird flu.

Philip Stott, Emeritus Professor of Biogeography at the University of London says the idea is without merit. Mending the world’s looming climate woes with wind farms, he says, “is like trying to solve the pensions’ crisis by putting a tax on babies’ nappies. It stinks.”

The professor went on to say that cold was not desirable anyway as cooler climes promoted bad economies, declining agriculture, disease, and a lack of biodiversity.

“And it is all aeolian ephemerality anyway,” he added.

jawn_tech · #2 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 12:01 AM

If we're talking about a 'wind farm' that isn't meant to harvest wind, but to create wind, that one's already been built.

It's called Washington.

brian.mark · #3 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 12:08 AM

Oh, come on. You can do better. This story blows.

Fffffffffffffffffffffff.....

Brian.

ctabuk · #4 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 03:37 AM

Brian, this is not a joke. I have a mate who lives in Sevenoaks in Kent and the Farm next door has been requisitioned by the Ministry of Rural Affairs.They intend putting 50 of these things up next to a Nature reserve. The Royal Society for the Protection of Birds is furious as in Wales where there are already hundreds of wind farms and hundreds of migratory birds are flying away from the turbines and not using old nesting sites. Some birds fly in at before dawn and get whacked by the blades. In Lincolnshire we have a massive project already underway in Bicker, which is only two miles away from our cottage, I'll dig out the local news stories on it. If you further doubt, check out the Spanish weather at the moment. 43 degrees, water rationed in half the Country and talks of depleting sea levels. No mate this is for real.

Thank goodness for edit. Just to prove the point, take a look at this
http://www.bwea.com/ukwed/consented.asp

And these are just the ones already consented

**crankydave** · #5 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ctabuk

Thank goodness for edit. Just to prove the point, take a look at this
http://www.bwea.com/ukwed/consented.asp

And these are just the ones already consented

David,

This is a different matter altogether. These are wind farms that capture the wind to drive turbines that generate electricity.

This G8 proposal would be for these giant gas powered fans to redirect cooler air and won't generate electricity at all. I think part of the problem is that in theory it's supposedto reduce global warming. Quite an expensive endeaver (money, land, and nature) for project that noone knows for certain will work.

Dave

wrmineo · #6 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 09:11 AM

I don't mean to demean to topic, but restricting politicians from conjuring up idiotic proposals so as not to jeopardize their own profits and offend funders of campaigns, and then trying to blow the hot air rhetoric up what they assume to be our ignorant asses, would probably do as much for the Global Warming issue as this latest propsal.

#7 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 09:24 AM

I know some studies we're being done at Caltech and the University of Hawaii on this project. They called it a wind fracturing experiments.

What it entails is dramatically interrupting existing wind currents and redirecting them. Now, the problem they might run into is the scale of thing.

The amounts of wind they are talking about and in particular, the power source, gasoline. It was practical in the short term because it allowed them to get the project going much more quickly but in the long term, they've actually discussed a nuclear facility to power these.

A couple ideas come up with those. One is putting those nuclear facilities at various points along the wind fracture marks. The problem though is 3 or 4 nuclear facilities on various continents. This leads to the second idea.

France has been granted license to begin work on a nuclear fusion facility, which when completed, would provide sufficient power to hit all the fans redirected at various wind fracture marks on the various continents.

The amount of wind generated from this wind fracturing would be phenomenal. The currents, if funnelled correctly could generate cooling effects in many places. If this works as well as they're hoping, then the future could see wind fracturing fans down south as well, perhaps in South America, Australia and South Africa. This could prove to be a boon to Africa to help with drought problems.

It would seem wind fracturing is a breath of fresh air.

wrmineo · #8 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 09:39 AM

A few thoughts / questions:

When has "man" ever successfully manipulated Mother Nature and gotten by with it?

It would seem this windy solution is merely a way to circumvent, deter or sidestep other possible solutions, allowing politicians and industrial leaders to continue to slip under the radar on their way to the bank.

Playing God and trying to engineer Mother Nature rather than finding a more symbiotic relationship with our planet and environment simply doesn't seem to pass the common sense test for me.

#9 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 09:46 AM

I'd agree with you but most of what happens is we damage the environment, this is a way to possibly correct some of the problems. We've worked hard at playing God to destroy the earth, lets try and fix it now.

globalhostinggroup · #10 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 10:03 AM

i'm starting a wind farm on my PH appartment the altuide of the unitwill be optimal for the wind farming

greeneagle · #11 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 10:16 AM

A larger more realistic view is in order.

IMO - It's time we had a better understanding of nature.

"MaMa Nature" is designed and has evolved to be much more resilient to the these small transgressions perpetrated by it's inhabitants.

Most of the time it simply swat's the mosquito when it aggravates it.

Global warming and reality:

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/global_warming.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1131275.stm

There are hundreds of authoritive studies and articles on the fact that global warming is naturally cyclic, was/is due, and on and on...

It's really time to get a grip on our own vanity here. It's purely vain to think that the earth and nature can't take care of itself, even if it requires drastic measures like a pandemic, until it catches up with it's own evolution!

There are way too many "do-gooders" that want to feel like they are making a real impact, pissn in the wind!

Ken

nottheusual1 · #12 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 10:21 AM

This could really start problems for the Kyoto Agreement, as well.

We would have to set-up a system for trading in these "displaced gases".

A fart-credit trading system <<chuckle>>

Smells like a bunch of government money going to Big Corporaions, again, to solve a problem that would be easier to fix on the "supply side".

Well, and they can claim credit for trying to fix up the environment that they've been such poor stewards of the last century.

**crankydave** · #13 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greeneagle

It's really time to get a grip on our own vanity here. It's purely vain to think that the earth and nature can't take care of itself, even if it requires drastic measures like a pandemic, until it catches up with it's own evolution!

There are way too many "do-gooders" that want to feel like they are making a real impact, pissn in the wind!

Ken

Kinda reminds me of a line in Jurrasic Park...

Quote:

Ian Malcom: "God creates dinosaurs, God destroys dinosaurs, God creates man, man destroys God, man creates dinosaurs."

Dr. Ellie Sattler: "Dinosaurs eat man, woman inherits the earth."

Jurassic Park (1993)

Dave

greeneagle · #14 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 10:35 AM

That is the way it works!

"Mama" continually tries to teach everyone of it's inhabitants certain knowledge keys.

One of which is:

Everything is based on cycles.

LOL - Ever been married, had a girlfriend or lived with a woman?

I know that is sexist!, But it is a good example, right at "home", close and personal.

The earth's warming-cooling cycle has been is easily scientificly projected along a sinusoidal path for a much longer time than fossil fuels have been being burned!

As a matter of a fact it has kept the climate from getting too cold and entering another ice age on more than one occasion!

It's really not worth pissn into the wind about!

Ken

globalhostinggroup · #15 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 11:00 AM

i would love to vent my enviromental sicence background but i would requier sevral hours to properly cover the topic so i will just say simple through years of resurch with data backed by orgnizations such as NASA we have a serous prolbem and it cintinues to esclate at an alarming levle now at this point we are looking at catistropic crisses posibilties within 20 genrations as aposed to the thought 1000+ genrations thought a decade agoe buy the ozone is a gamble and the hole is real and damage will cintinu 25 years after the use of CFC's and if one day it where to not be there life as we know it will change forever
billons of people dieing food sortages animal and plant death then the melting of the iceburgs causeing a new ice age.

the cycles do existist but historically take billons of years to exist.

the hole in the ozone is man agatated and unless proff can be showen other wise man created
yes yes people say we dont know but we do know sicence and their was no hole befor then their was one after the introduction of cfc's and it is our sicence that simply shows the cfcs bound to the oxgent Distroying natures cycle and causing the hole

nottheusual1 · #16 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 11:24 AM

... as long as the major political contributors are the major polluters, there will be no changes.

When GW was still running Texas into the ground, the state legislature passed "sweeping changes" to the state's pollution laws.

Problemo was that they grandfathered in the largest polluters in the state. And then made all the new "laws" voluntary.

Hmmmm. How much do you think things improved??

Bad Science.... Bad Science....

greeneagle · #17 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 12:03 PM

Maybe we should stop refining most of the nations gas including Ohio's, and let you guys go at it on your own!

Come on it's a lot bigger picture - time to refocus!

Ken

ctabuk · #18 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 01:12 PM

This thread was featured in Google News today and has gone Global, I say that we should all thank JMiller for his brave post, it will be on the Presidents Desk tonight.

Ne0 · #19 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 03:11 PM

Well I've been waiting for this post!

While I've actually known about this for awhile now, I knew that no one would belive me. Just down the road there are currently 1,500 wind turbines in action! Our family is friends with the farmers who had their land acquisitioned almost 3 months ago! I think that messing with mother nature is going to be alot like Jurrasic Park... This can only end badly!
just my $0.02

NeO1

brian.mark · #20 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 03:17 PM

What if those fans become too powerful and alter the spin of the globe? We better have some scientists working that out. I'd hate for our planet to suddenly spin the wrong way, bringing the ice caps closer to the sun and melting them all.

Does anyone have a map of the proposed locations?

Brian.

Ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff...

greeneagle · #21 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 03:23 PM

What about the declination between True North and Magnetic North? When do the Poles swap magnetic poles again?

LOL

Ken

nottheusual1 · #22 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greeneagle

Maybe we should stop refining most of the nations gas including Ohio's, and let you guys go at it on your own!

Come on it's a lot bigger picture - time to refocus!

Ken

Nope - you keep it there. My message was a parable about the state of affairs we live with: There is very little impetus for change that will drive the types of things that need to be done and our country's current "steward" - well, you can't change a zebra's stripes. However, you can control the debate by "debunking science" and staying on message.

There is a middle on everything - neither opposite end is 100% correct. Curtailing the debate to support a difficult to defend position that **seems** to favor some over a greater others is poor stewardship. There has to be an impetus for change, so current environmental and energy policies don't create that impetus.

That's a part of he bigger picture, too.

Anyway, the Indians have lost like 11 in a row - we could put up a wind farm in center field at the stadium and probably power most of Cleveland.......

**crankydave** · #23 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brian.mark

What if those fans become too powerful and alter the spin of the globe? We better have some scientists working that out. I'd hate for our planet to suddenly spin the wrong way, bringing the ice caps closer to the sun and melting them all.

I WANNA DRIVE! ME! ME! PICK ME!

We can go tooling around the universe!

To explore strange new worlds . . .
To seek out new life and new civilizations . . .
To boldly go where no man has gone before!

Dave

RIP James Doohan. You've been beamed up Scottie.

Ne0 · #24 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brian.mark

What if those fans become too powerful and alter the spin of the globe? We better have some scientists working that out. I'd hate for our planet to suddenly spin the wrong way, bringing the ice caps closer to the sun and melting them all.

Does anyone have a map of the proposed locations?

Brian.

Ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff...

If our planet started spinning the other way Brian... Well then I guess I could cancel my trip to Australia (just to flush a toilet and see the water go the other way) So I hope that doesn't happen M8
LOL!

NeO1

greeneagle · #25 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 04:14 PM

nottheusual1

I fail to see how your derogatory comments about GWB running Texas into the ground so that we could continue to be a viable energy and refining source for the Nation... to be anything comparable to parable!

Quote;

Quote:

"When GW was still running Texas into the ground, the state legislature passed "sweeping changes" to the state's pollution laws.

Problemo was that they grandfathered in the largest polluters in the state. And then made all the new "laws" voluntary."

That is nothing but a very uninformed maliciously intended statement in a feeble attempt to deprecate GWB political savvy going back to his roots!

It just can't be excused off lightly as a parable.

Maybe we should just succeed from the Union, Texas is a Republic, and triple your gas prices so that we can pay for some of the newer cleaner technologies.

Ken

brian.mark · #26 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greeneagle

...triple your gas prices so that we can pay for some of the newer cleaner technologies.

I think that part has taken care of itself. ;-)

GWB is a love-him or hate-him sort of guy. I don't know anyone who is indifferent, so just go back to your corner and we'll all throw in the towel on this one.

Brian.

greeneagle · #27 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 04:42 PM

Brian,

I appreciate the moderation effort, but nothing was anywhere near out of control nor encroaching on WPW guidelines.

A secondary theme to this entire thread has been about being able to encompass a little larger picture in our personal and collective visions.

That sub-theme will always be attached to the Global Warming Topic!

Ken

brian.mark · #28 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greeneagle

Brian,

I appreciate the moderation effort, but nothing was anywhere near out of control nor encroaching on WPW guidelines.

A secondary theme to this entire thread has been about being able to encompass a little larger picture in our personal and collective visions.

That sub-theme will always be attached to the Global Warming Topic!

Ken

Well, in that case...

Really, GWB hasn't had much effect on global warming. That's been going on for long enough that he hasn't been able to sway it one way or the other. He doesn't need to be specifically mentioned.

Personally, I'm all for firing anyone in DC that gets in the way of alternate fuel technologies. Of course, it'll take until they're out of office for the courts to decide if they really were trying to stop progress, so that's not going to ever happen. There are going to be plenty of gas guzzlers on the roads for a while regardless of how many cool new technologies come out just due to price, so the gas companies would have plenty of time to sell out of their stock before the other technologies actually caught on.

As for the fans, they just blow. That's all that fans do. Fffffffffffffffff. I'd hate to live next to one that is strong enough to change the trade winds, though. I'd never be able to fly my RC plane, fly a kite, etc.

Brian.

#29 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 05:10 PM

The Ford truck plant in Louisville announced they were laying off 250 workers from their factory and halting production of the Ford Valdez...er...Excursion.

jawn_tech · #30 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 05:12 PM

I've found where the oil-powered politicians get their analysis from -- this source of information .

On the other hand, in contrast there is the
EPA's information on global warming.

Boy am I confused.

The situation is ironic. We'll need a whole lot of gasoline to fix a problem that doesn't exist. In turn, all that consumption of gasoline, spiking the demand higher than the supply, which in turns blows the price of gas through the roof like we've never seen before.

Forget that nuclear fusion plant in 9 years. We'll all be in shambles by then.

greeneagle · #31 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 05:16 PM

It's about time to take this argument to China, instead of the US isn't it? THat's one heck of an Industrial and economic revolution going on over there!

After all HP is laying of 14,500+ workers aren't they?

There are great economic considerations here balanced by the developmental immaturity of alternate energy sources....

Encompass the larger picture.

The US is leading in Fuel Cell technology and hybrid car production and is ramping up both!

Speaking of that has anyone seen the new fuel cell powered motorcycle with detachable fuel cell that can run other things?

http://carsguide.news.com.au/news/st...E21822,00.html

How about the "EcoMobile"
http://motorcyclecity.com/bikewatch/Ecomobile/

China is leading the way in some of these new vehicles.

I wouldn't mind having an "ecomobile" myself.

Problem is there is that "Economic Thing" again...

More expensive than a Harley with the same size power plant.

Ken

#32 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 05:18 PM

That's one of the reasons they're considering nuclear facilities for the long term or the French fusion plant. Although I couldn't imagine why one would want to fuse with the French.

jawn_tech · #33 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 05:28 PM

Heck I'd fuse with martians for a technology as proposed that can power the earth for 2000 years with electricity, and is environmentally safe.

That is, as long as it's internationally owned until every country gets their own, so no one has a monopoly on the earth's power.

I'm just crossing my fingers nothing gets in the way -- one day we could end up having electric powered everything! (then every manufacturer will be making electric transportation, and competetively priced)

I'll be honest though, I'm all for global warming. Winters here are horrible.

**crankydave** · #34 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jawn_tech

I'll be honest though, I'm all for global warming. Winters here are horrible.

Winters aren't exactly peachy around here either, but, it's a dry cold.

Dave

greeneagle · #35 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 05:49 PM

While jawn_tech has been going on about science fiction leading science fact.....

ctabuk - You didn't answer my PM

LOL

Ken

nottheusual1 · #36 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greeneagle

That is nothing but a very uninformed maliciously intended statement in a feeble attempt to deprecate GWB political savvy going back to his roots!

It just can't be excused off lightly as a parable.

Ken

OK - Let's start with some links, dating back into the 90's about your hero:

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/11/24/bush/

http://www.issues2000.org/2004/More_...nvironment.htm

http://www.safe2use.com/ca-ipm/00-03-10b.htm

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/cgi-b...LLSUFFIX=02776

http://www.txpeer.org/Bush/Dismantling_Regulations.html

http://www.issues2000.org/George_W__...nvironment.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1336960.stm

Google "texas pollution laws george bush" and spend the next 3 days just chasing all the links. While there is a bunch of fun being poked in many of the sites, there is a paucity of direct eveidence pointing towards GW and the results of his policies.

You are both wrong and horribly impolite in your supposition that I am uninformed on this topic. You may want to do a little homework before making such personal attacks, as there are many of us out here that can read, and do it every day. Being of the right doesn't instantly make you right.

:not_the_usual1
[you decide]

#37 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 08:30 PM

Let's quit discussing hasn't been done. Let's discuss what we could do.

Anyway,

The facilities read about were able to successfully redirect some of those energy current. I guess what I'm more worried about is affecting things like the jet streams and what types of changes this wind fracturing could have on weather patterns.

Ne0 · #38 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 08:52 PM

Wow... I usually try not to get into politics, partially because I'm surrounded by liberals :P

I like GWB... I voted for him and I helped 1,500 other Washington state residents register to vote for him too... (I even got a letter from GWB ;) )

While I would love to get into a huge argument... I'd rather point this out to ya'll... remember when Ctabuk said this made Google news? Here's the original article on Google news!

**I would read all the way through the article again ;)

Peace
NeO1

#39 (**permalink**) 07-21-2005, 10:46 PM

As a duly appointed leftist gorilla, it's my duty to taunt ferociously all you friends of dub-yah. As one of the rare "redneck liberals" in the world, I must say I will "be on you like a wet fart on satin panties". Please insert a few colorful expletives that can't be mentioned in a respectable forum. And then come the "Don't make me tell y'all again!"

Consider yourself verbally thrashed. Please continue.

Oh and yes, please follow the man's advice and read the proper article.

greeneagle · #40 (**permalink**) 07-22-2005, 04:30 AM

I thoght most wrote the BS off at the beginning of the thread!

That's the way I read it.

At least 80% of the thread is on "Real" topic, isn't it?

Ken

MarcieZoob · #41 (**permalink**) 07-22-2005, 07:12 AM

I like Lewis Black's solution to Global Warming - we've got scientists with rockets and lots of Saran Wrap so go up there and FIX IT.

jmiller · #42 (**permalink**) 07-22-2005, 08:58 AM

you're not surrounded by liberals...well maybe...I'm one of the few "true liberals" around...a daggum LIBERTARIAN! *flinch* less gov't is better, less legislation about everything...live your life, enjoy, and keep the gdarn gov't out of it...especially out my wallet!

"Those things advanced in the name of tradition are often given the illusion of being correct."

greeneagle · #43 (**permalink**) 07-22-2005, 09:14 AM

You would think that view would catch on better than it has, wouldn't you?

Ken

Chief · #44 (**permalink**) 07-22-2005, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ctabuk

Brian, this is not a joke. I have a mate who lives in Sevenoaks in Kent and the Farm next door has been requisitioned by the Ministry of Rural Affairs.They intend putting 50 of these things up next to a Nature reserve. The Royal Society for the Protection of Birds is furious as in Wales where there are already hundreds of wind farms and hundreds of migratory birds are flying away from the turbines and not using old nesting sites. Some birds fly in at before dawn and get whacked by the blades. In Lincolnshire we have a massive project already underway in Bicker, which is only two miles away from our cottage, I'll dig out the local news stories on it. If you further doubt, check out the Spanish weather at the moment. 43 degrees, water rationed in half the Country and talks of depleting sea levels. No mate this is for real.

Thank goodness for edit. Just to prove the point, take a look at this
http://www.bwea.com/ukwed/consented.asp

And these are just the ones already consented

I just noticed that CTABUK admitted at Digital Point [http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=22027] that this story is bogus:

"By being in the forums and by doing that spoof yesterday, which by the way Minstrel it was me who wrote it, but in conjunction with jmiller, it creates searches on my site."

"...this sort of PR excercise is aimed at helping you gain BL's and also to attract more forum members."

What's up with that?

jmiller · #45 (**permalink**) 07-22-2005, 12:44 PM

this was based on a premise proposed by ctabuk to test some marketing theories and such...BL exercises, forum whatsits, viral marketing, etc...I found the concept irresistible and went with it, as a lover of satire as well as marketing and social experiments...in the original article, there is a disclaimer, but in the forums we left it up to the more skeptical bunches to do their homework on the matter. Thanks for playing. It's been tons of fun. That's the last time, I swear(holding up my scout's salute).

Ne0 · #46 (**permalink**) 07-22-2005, 01:30 PM

Nice one Jason & David ;)

It started getting a little rough in here so I posted the link to the original post with the **disclaimer about half a brain LOL! Great for the BL's .... but unfortunately I couldn't forward it on to any of the local news stations! Because of the **disclaimer LOL... it would have been funny to watch it on the 6 o'clock news though :D

and what's the deal with all the liberals in Kentucky? LOL Stithmeister I have to say that's the first time I've ever heard the expression 'red neck liberal' I can see some kind of tv pilot running off that platform :P

L8 M8's
NeO1

Chief · #47 (**permalink**) 07-22-2005, 02:03 PM

Breaking eBusiness News!

Senior Members of WebProWorld admit to spreading the false news report that went global earlier this month, "G8 Leaders Tout Massive Wind Farms To Thwart Global Warming."

Lexington, KY (PRWEB) July 22, 2005
WebProWorld comes under scrutiny after David Castle and Jason Miller, both moderators at WebProWorld, admit to spreading the false news report titled, "G8 Leaders Tout Massive Wind Farms To Thwart Global Warming".

When questioned about the report Castle responded by writing, "...this sort of PR excercise is aimed at helping you gain BL's and also to attract more forum members" and that "it is the first of many."

Jason Miller followed up by writing, "I found the concept irresistible and went with it, as a lover of satire as well as marketing and social experiments..."

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greeneagle · #48 (**permalink**) 07-22-2005, 07:16 PM

I was under the impression that the thread quickly turned from the BS to the real story - Maybe I got lost along with some of the others!

Have you ever stood under one of those huge magnificient windmills and heard those giant blades cut the air in the California hills...

woooosh, woooosh, woooosh....

It's beautiful and clean!

Ken