A friend of mine attended a PTA meeting for his son's school and one topic that they discussed is teaching religion in school. Something that I think I would be objecting to. I don't want my money (tax) and tuition be wasted for learning religion. Religion should just stay in churches not in places like schools. School is a place for learning, for facts, for building the foundation of one's future, with academics.

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You're right, it's an outrage!!!

There's no sense corrupting kids with solid moral values, a sense of purpose, or duty. We wouldn't want them to know right from wrong, that's too much responsibility for anyone to have to bear.

I certainly wouldn't want anyone teaching my kids to try to live up to a positive example. Why, the next thing you know, I'd probably have to explain some of the nasty things I've said and done in my life.

I mean seriously, can you imagine what might happen if their little consciences started acting up to a point where they felt guilt, remorse and a sense of responsibility for their actions? Pandemonium, sheer pandemonium!

What would happen if they felt some strange obligation to always try to do the right thing? They'd be shunned and embarrassed beyond belief! Ostracized and humiliated by their peers, life as they know it would be an absolute nightmare for the poor little dears.

We certainly wouldn't want to encourage our kids to show kindness, dignity and respect to others, not to mention themselves, and we mustn't ever let anyone or anything encourage them to help others less fortunate than themselves, oh no! My goodness, gracious!

What kind of world would that be!!!

Yes, yes, you're quite right. No sense wasting time or money on trivial issues like those!

I wouldn't object to religion being taught in school so long as it was part of a general discussion about all religions and including atheism so that my kids could make an informed choice as to whether to believe in God or not rather than being brainwashed.

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The small little town that I live in has a population of about 2500. Despite its small size, being a suburb of NYC, immigrants from around the world are here representing virtually every 'major' religion. So while it sounds all well and good, consider that teaching these things can be an inherent source of conflict. My good friend Sameer, who runs the local Blimpies, may not appreciate teachings on Islam which could be interpreted as favoring Shi'a over Sunni Islam. My best friend, who is Jewish, might get upset if the curriculum fails to mention that Martin Luther was a rabid anti-Semite. Then of course there could be adherents of 'minor' religions whose religion may not be deemed large enough to warrant inclusion into the curriculum.

Right now you can send your kid to a private school on your dime if that is what you want to do, otherwise in the current system you can send him or her for supplemental education offered by local religious institutions.

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Your point is well taken except for the fact that Jews label pretty much anyone other than themselves as "anti-semitic"

Part of their "victim" heritage I guess. Wonder if *that should be taught.

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If religion is taught in schools, these days there are so many different religions, that it is actually very confusing to children and many end up just thinking the whole thing is so messed up that they are put off and not surprisingly.

If religion is taught in schools, then in todays multicultural society, you may have 5 children from a Hindu family, 3 from a Muslim family, a few Christians, and this is an problem, as if as you say religion will instill values, then as all these religions tend to have different values, then what to do about that? It is just very confusing for children, when even the adults cant come to any agreement, what kind of values does that instil?

My personal opinion is that good qualities are inherent in people, as an ex primary school teacher I would say that they are especially evident in children, it is human nature and will flourish in most people when well treated and given a solid fact based education.

Some might say that if it were not for religion, we would all be wild like animals, but I disagree with that, I dont think it is religion that makes people good, nor irreligion that makes people bad.

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Wow! This is news to me. Victim mentality, eh? Your comments sound a bit anti-semitic to me. Do you put everyone in a box like that? Or only races, ethnic groups or religions that don't meet your standards of acceptability.

Excuse me for being offended by your offensiveness.

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Like you said...it's news to you....not the rest of us who havent been sleeping under a rock. And by the way..it's not about "ethnic groups or religions that don't meet....standards of acceptibility": I'm not making a judgment on acceptability....I'm just telling you the way it is.

Let me help you along. Here's a list of things most important to Jews....all Jews.

1) Complaining
2) accusing
3) embellishing
4) earning
5) learning
6) spending
7) eating

If you don't believe me, ask a Jew.

Rick

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The only relevant information you've passed along is that you are ignorant.

You may not have been sleeping under a rock but your bigotry portrays someone who just climbed out from under a rock.

I make it a habit not to engage in wits with an unarmed man. You certainly meet that standard. You are a bigot. You are a classic example of someone who mistakes ignorance and opinion for relevant fact.

Let me help you along. Here is a list of things important to bigots...all bigots:

1.) Singling out a group of people based upon race, color, religion or creed.
2.) Making ignorant and false accusations about that group.
3.) Embellishing a few discriminate idiotic baseless opinions and presenting the resultant asine opinions as fact.
4.) Earning the respect of fellow bigots by competing for the lowest IQ and highest level of ignorance.
5.) Learning nothing but assuming you know everything.
6.) Spending time on fruitless thought instead of examing issues and people with an open mind and a perceptible level of intellegence.
7.) Eating crow time after time when they cannot back up their ignorance and lunacy with rational thought and credible evidence.

You sir (and I use that term questionably) are the epitome of the uninformed. You lack the intellect to engage in either rationale thought or evidentiary debate. What I suggest you do is crawl back under that rock and root around in the obvious muck and mire of spite, hatred and bigotry.

I can see why you are a painter...you paint Jews with a ridiculously wide brush.

Time to attach a bigot warning to your posts.

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Buddy, I grew up around Jews, you didn't. Also, I'm not a painter....I'm a businessman.
Thanks for the speech, I'm sure we all enjoyed it.

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I guess coming from a Jewish family background doesn't qualify me? (I guess you are psychic).

Once again you espouse an opinion borne from ignorance. You grew up around Jews, eh? Those must've been the most miserable times of their lives.

Your comments are insulting, vulgar and have lowered the collective IQ of this message board. I didn't give a speech, I merely swatted away a fly.

You are entitled to be your opinions, no matter how stupid, baseless, ignorant or bigoted they may be. But don't expect your hate-speech to go unchallenged.

Maybe you should spend more time working your business and less time thinking (loosely used) out loud.

One of the things I really enjoy about webproworld.com is the exchange of ideas and relevant information. Generally speaking it is a great place to teach, a great place to learn and a great place to discuss technical and other matters. But then, like on most message boards, there is always at least one person who utters complete nonsense. Congrats on being that person.

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I'm just repeating what was taught to me by Jews at the Jewish Community Centre in Toronto, Ontario. So I guess you're accusing Jews of hate speech against Jews....good one. It's not really my opinion per se since I wouldn't give 10 cents to know about the attributes of the Jews. If you don't like what you've read here take it up with your local JCC since they're the ones who are teaching this.

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You are the one espousing bigotry. All I need to do to see that is to scroll up.

However, since you lack the basic skills necessary to debate with reason, logic and thoughtfulness...I suppose I am better off putting you on bigot alert and ignore.

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Tech

You don't have a clue as to what bigotry is so let me help you along. It's an intolerance to someone's race or religion. Got it?

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Sure I do. I looked it up in the dictionary and there it was: Your profile.

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As usual, the person (you) who makes the claim of bigotry (as easy as you breathe) can never back it up with any evidence. Well done....have you reached your quota today?

You're in over your head Tech....

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The evidence is plain and simple. It's in your posts. You made anti-semitic claims. You expressed bigotry and classified an entire group of people based upon your highly questionable experience and viewpoint. I can't make your bigotry any clearer than you have already done.

Now, if you really want to engage in an intellectual debate I am certain I can spend a few minutes of my time responding to your points. However, the only points you've made so far are baseless opinions.

Let me explain how reasoned debate works:

1.) You state your position.
2.) You back up your postition with relevant facts.

I need not go on to explain how the person debating you needs to respond because you haven't expressed any relevant facts. You've made outlandish and childish claims based not on reason but on prejudice. So, all I need to do is to point out that you have presented no facts and have stated positions of ignorance not reason.

Debate over.

However, if you are still not satisfied losing round one we can play again. So, state your position and back up the reason for your position with relevant facts.

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