Who will be your next president?

jabo · #1 (**permalink**) 04-23-2008, 08:17 AM

Clinton or Obama

**incrediblehelp** · #2 (**permalink**) 04-23-2008, 08:35 PM

McCain

cw1865 · #3 (**permalink**) 04-23-2008, 11:04 PM

As much as the Democrats have been given, quite literally, a layup in this election cycle, leave it to the Democrats to mess up a golden opportunity. Currently McCain is leading both Clinton and Obama in the polls. Why wouldn't you put him as an option in your list?

chowell · #4 (**permalink**) 04-24-2008, 01:03 AM

Can we call a redo altogether?

ashley059 · #5 (**permalink**) 04-24-2008, 04:36 AM

i think Obama, there's a lot of positive feedback about him rather than Clinton

jabo · #6 (**permalink**) 04-24-2008, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by incrediblehelp

McCain

o yeah, i forgot to add him in the poll... can it be edited

**incrediblehelp** · #7 (**permalink**) 04-24-2008, 09:01 AM

Done.

jabo · #8 (**permalink**) 04-24-2008, 09:17 AM

thanks incrediblehelp

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Originally Posted by cw1865

As much as the Democrats have been given, quite literally, a layup in this election cycle, leave it to the Democrats to mess up a golden opportunity. Currently McCain is leading both Clinton and Obama in the polls. Why wouldn't you put him as an option in your list?

so whats your winners and losers between McCain and the democrats?

**crankydave** · #9 (**permalink**) 04-24-2008, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by cw1865

As much as the Democrats have been given, quite literally, a layup in this election cycle, leave it to the Democrats to mess up a golden opportunity.

Tend to agree. Hard to believe that the Democratic party seems to be succeeding at putting a Republican in the Whitehouse. Hillary is calling for another debate. They've already had over 20 by my count. What hasn't been repeatedly debated already? Just another opportunity to shoot each other in the foot. Hopefully, the foot is not in the mouth.

Dave

activeco · #10 (**permalink**) 04-24-2008, 10:22 AM

Hmmm...

cw1865 · #11 (**permalink**) 04-24-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by crankydave

Tend to agree. Hard to believe that the Democratic party seems to be succeeding at putting a Republican in the Whitehouse. Hillary is calling for another debate. They've already had over 20 by my count. What hasn't been repeatedly debated already? Just another opportunity to shoot each other in the foot. Hopefully, the foot is not in the mouth.

Dave

And today the poll is different showing Obama edging McCain, but McCain edging Clinton

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The only thing predictable right now is that it is unpredictable.

bijan814 · #12 (**permalink**) 04-24-2008, 04:56 PM

Most likely McCain/

Clicken · #13 (**permalink**) 04-25-2008, 09:23 AM

McCain? Clinton? Obama?,… Not if American’s would wise up!

During the Texas Primary Elections I conducted an Exit Poll at a neighboring precinct and for what it’s worth (?) these are the results for the short time between 10:30am and 1:15pm:

McCain ------ 22
Huckabee – 18 (dropped out after the primary)
Paul ---------- 2
Romney ----- 1 (he had already dropped out!)
Clinton ------ 41
Obama ------ 26
No Comment – 26

Also, at our primary convention there were LOTS more democrats than republicans present.

BTW, it would be democratic to include Congressman Ron Paul in the poll because he is still running. There are delegates who will vote for Dr. Paul as the Republican nominee regardless of the suppression against him and regardless of the party elite dictating McCain as the party favorite and they will do it because,…

Congressman Ron Paul:

Was Named the Taxpayers Best Friend in Congress by the President of the National Taxpayers Union
*Has never voted to raise taxes.
*Is 100% Against Internet Taxation and Regulation.
*Will eliminate the need for Income Tax. (No other candidate will touch that because they want to spend money that is not theirs!) Ever heard of the Comprehensive Financial Report or do you only hear about the budget?
*Will eliminate the ‘Death Tax’.
*Will stop the central bankers’ ‘Inflation Tax’ and save the dollar.
*Says taxes on tips = legalized theft and will end the Tip Tax.
*Will repeal the ‘Inheritance Tax’.

Prescribes Health Care Solutions to benefit Individuals, Not Corporate or Government Profits
*Has experience with the health care system through his career as a medical doctor and knows how the system has been manipulated to benefit big corporations.
*Supports making all medical expenses tax deductible.
*Supports the use of supplements and vitamins to stay healthy. (can you believe that this is even an issue?)
*Will eliminate federal regulations that discourage small businesses from providing coverage.
*Will allow doctors the freedom to collectively negotiate with insurance companies and drive down the cost of medical care.
*Will allow patients to buy prescription drugs from other countries which will encourage less costly prescriptions here.
*Will reverse congresses’ forced HMO system which turned an envied free market health care system into a federally-managed disaster.
*Opposes long waiting, lack of choice, poor care and frustration associated with socialized medicine as demonstrated by other countries and which the other candidates endorse.
*Opposes forced vaccinations and forced mental health screening of American citizens. (research Eugenics)

Understands Economics and Proposes a Sound Economic Policy
*Never voted for an unbalanced budget and will veto unbalanced budgets.
*Will stop unconstitutional spending leading us to bankruptcy.
*Will stop the financial dependency on China, Saudi Arabia and other foreign countries.
*Will eliminate the unconstitutional, privately owned Federal Reserve Monopoly and return the constitutional right for the U.S treasury to make and control the nation’s money. (Did you know that the money borrowed from the FED to 'stimulate' the economy has to be paid back with interest and that since they are a private entity then that money is theirs and not part of the nations treasury? Where is the logic? Oh yeah, in their best interest!)

Believes in Less Government Power and More Power to the People
*Opposes the government Eminent Domain Claims.
*Is known in congress as “Dr. No” for voting down pork and any Bill which is not supported by the guidelines of the constitution. (Apparently there were a lot of those types of Bills to earn him that nickname.)
*Will not be bought by special interest groups, he says no to the lobbyist.
*Has never taken a government-paid junket.
*Never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
*Never voted to raise congressional pay.
*Has not participated in the lucrative congressional pension program, and each year he returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. Treasury.
*Opposes trade deals and groups that threaten America’s independence and sovereignty. (UN, GATT, NAFTA, NAU, WTO, CAFTA, ICC)

Fights for Veterans’ Rights and Reform of the Veterans Administration
*Will end the requirement that disabled veterans give up their military retirement pay in order to receive VA disability benefits.
*Aided thousands of veterans with health care and pension problems with the government.
*Fought for benefits for veterans exposed to Agent Orange.
*Founding Member of the Vietnam Veterans of America chapter in Hallettsville, Texas.
*Leading advocate for POW/MIA families and will establish a House Select Committee on POW/MIA affairs.
*Will give employers a tax credit for hiring veterans.
*Will narrow the pay gap between military and private sector pay scales.
*Will restore health care coverage to retired service members.

Fights to Preserve the Constitution and Protect Civil Liberties
*Will protect our privacy and stop the national ID card.
*Has never voted to restrict the peoples’ freedoms.
*Fights to protect and defend the 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

There is more! It appears that every aspect of the people’s life has been infringed. Is it any wonder that Ron Paul’s campaign is called the rEVOLution movement? Is it any wonder that this is a grassroots driven effort , considering the hard work and time that the established powers have put in to getting this much control?

Hey, it’s only our freedom and the nation’s sovereignty we’re talking about here so please, Know Before You Vote!

Oh, one more thing,.. America’s Elections Watchdog Group. Another grassroots effort which needs our support because; It is up to the employers (that’s the people) to watch the employees (that’s the elected officials), regardless of which party you support.

Freedom is a precious thing which is most at risk when taken for granted.

activeco · #14 (**permalink**) 04-25-2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Clicken

Huckabee – 18 (dropped out after the primary)

How those 18 devils look like?

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BTW, it would be democratic to include Congressman Ron Paul in the poll because he is still running.

Very nice and honest guy, however it is way too early for him in today's USA.

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Believes in Less Government Power and More Power to the People

Could you imagine chaos where real democracy would have full power? Dictatorship of majority is even more dangerous than the worst government.
I am more for a kind of Advisory Council creating Presidential Body.

Clicken · #15 (**permalink**) 04-25-2008, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ”activeco”

Very nice and honest guy, however it is way too early for him in today's USA.

Don’t you mean better late than never?!

Whose rubbish are you parroting? While you are trying to back up that statement with rationality I will work on addressing your other statement.

activeco · #16 (**permalink**) 04-25-2008, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Clicken

Whose rubbish are you parroting?

The rubbish of an average US voter's state of mind.

Clicken · #17 (**permalink**) 04-25-2008, 11:56 AM

Funny, but that is yet another statement by you which needs to be backed with resources.

The United States were formed by the founding fathers as a Republic, not a total democracy as you implied with your statement. Republic:… (If You can Keep It)
Traditionally a republic is distinguished from a true democracy that the republic operates through a representative assembly chosen by the citizenry, while in a democracy the populace participates directly in governmental affairs. In actual practice, however, most modern representative governments are closer to a republic than a democracy. The United States is an example of a federal republic, in which the powers of the central government are limited and the component parts of the nation, the states, exercise some measure of home rule.

The elected officials have failed to represent the will of the people due to the pressure from corporate lobbyist, and have been turning this nation into a Fascist State.

Fascism as Dictionary dot com defines it:
“a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.”

activeco · #18 (**permalink**) 04-25-2008, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Clicken

The elected officials have failed to represent the will of the people due to the pressure from corporate lobbyist, and have been turning this nation into a Fascist State.

True. And the nation is mostly happy about it.
It's not only the US, it is a worldwide phenomenon.

An average human being is simply not able (yet) to make responsible decisions.

inertia · #19 (**permalink**) 04-25-2008, 12:14 PM

David Cameron.