Honesty

minstrel · #1 (**permalink**) 02-27-2004, 11:31 AM

"Honesty is the best policy. But it's important to remember that, apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second best policy."

- George Carlin

voodooboy · #2 (**permalink**) 03-03-2004, 01:28 PM

Honestly!

How honest do you expect us to be?

thehappysmoker · #3 (**permalink**) 03-04-2004, 07:51 AM

Every word in this sentence is a lie, honestly.

Does that mean that it's true, or that it isn't ?

MarketingMama · #4 (**permalink**) 03-05-2004, 02:22 AM

honesty is the best policy but a little white lie to make someone feel better never hurt anyone i.e., "your hair looks great" ... even though it's horrible looks like they slept with an egg beater ... you wouldn't say that would you? I think it's called tact.

Just a quick thought ... it kind of hurt too ... won't be getting into these boards to often anymore :-)

MarketingMama

Tubby · #5 (**permalink**) 03-05-2004, 09:50 AM

I think the whole concept of honesty is silly. I do not believe in it. I think I prefer a method where there is no need to accept as statement as Honest. Why can't we simply accept as statement as a statemement. . and let its honesty or truthfull-ness filter through over time.

Its a stupid concept, even 'Honest' accepts omissions of fact, unproved and unlikely 'facts' that weight the statement toward the purpose, differing beliefs, ignorance, good intent, justification, bias,interpretation, ect ect.

Wipe the words Honest and truth (and a few others) from the dictionary. . They are total lie's.

trsiyengar · #6 (**permalink**) 03-05-2004, 11:29 AM

If you are a lay man and Honest, you struggle in your life. Still you are Honest!

If you are a small businessman, you try to be honest but get beatings at the ends. Still trying to be honest.

If you are in a Big biz. you claim you are the most honest one than your competitors. And your competitors claim, Ditto. Despite both of them dis-honest, they survive well, because they know each other and their tactis.

If you are a Multinational Corporate - you damn it, & querry - what is in it.

And for a Politician, They are the most honest one on the earth. Unfortunately, it was only for a day only, when they were born. But they ask you the meaning for the word. What is it?

Tubby's experience, it should be:
I think the whole concept of honesty is silly

But do you find anyone stamping on his face about his honesty or otherwise? Man, it is an experience, one's own inner feeling and concious that matter. I can tell it from one's look!

Namasthe Everyone,
TRS Iyengar
www.trsiyengar.com
Feel free, be happy and be honest to yourself. Then the entire world becomes honest to you.

thehappysmoker · #7 (**permalink**) 03-05-2004, 11:30 AM

I'm with you there, Tubby. Even what you remember isn't real. When I was a kid, Summer lasted eight months, and the sun shone every day. I'm not kidding - I really do remember it. But it's not true, is it ?

trsiyengar · #8 (**permalink**) 03-05-2004, 02:14 PM

thehappysmoker wrote:

Summer lasted eight months

Hello Buddy, it is even worse in India, honestly speaking, it lasts a bit more than eight months in India! And today it is 38 degrees C in Mumbai aka Bombay. Do you feel the heat?

Namasthe Everyone,
TRS Iyengar
www.trsiyengar.com
From the Land of myth, mystery and miseries - Yet, we are happy and shining.

Tubby · #9 (**permalink**) 03-05-2004, 05:36 PM

It could well be argued that teaching your children to be honest, is starting them off with a disadvantage. The 'successfull' (definately not a term I like) Person, Is more likely to succeed if they disregard right and wrong, and adopt the terms legal and illegal. Thou shalt not kill without justification. If there is no evidence of your involvement then you are innocent.

Happysmoker; If you hold a thousand dollars in your hand, and a single memory in hour head, the memory is real and the cash is merely a concept. Your Childhood memory is real, I remember that summer of eight months, with the Salmon that jumped, when I could run like the wind forever..It was a good year>

thehappysmoker · #10 (**permalink**) 03-05-2004, 06:02 PM

With 1000 bucks I could buy a few dreams. How many dreams do I have to spend, to get 1000 bucks ?

Tubby · #11 (**permalink**) 03-05-2004, 07:08 PM

happysmoker, the real things, are what you feel, love, hate, pain, fear . . . nothing else is real. Money is not real, it is the feeling it gives you that is real (if it gives you). you can get the same feeling from a postage stamp.

Honesty is not real, its just a comforter. Truth is not real, it is just something that helps eliminate confusion. Confusion is when two conficting truths collide.

on my website, I get adverts describing cars as "Genuine 50,000 miles" I alway delete the word genuine. . I guess I am just reflecting my honesty. (joke) Silly words, silly concept, Lets ban them,

thehappysmoker · #12 (**permalink**) 03-06-2004, 07:16 AM

"Genuine 50,000 miles" is a pretty stupid thing to say anyway. What other kind of 50,000 miles are there ? No-one's going to advertise a car with a bogus 50,000 miles, are they ?

Minstrel's got a lot to answer for here, hasn't he ? I wonder if he realised that his apparently ordinary subject would become so esoteric (that's a good word to throw into everyday conversation, isn't it ?)

trsiyengar · #13 (**permalink**) 03-06-2004, 12:12 PM

Quote from thehappysmoker:

Minstrel's got a lot to answer for here, hasn't he ? I wonder if he realised that his apparently ordinary subject would become so esoteric

Hello buddy, did you notice Minstrel's opening subject? He clearly states the Second Best Policy !!

Minstrel's opening:

"Honesty is the best policy. But it's important to remember that, apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second best policy."

- George Carlin

And the Logic is (again it is an another lie), life is full of illussions and expectations. The Maya or the illusion, depends upon one's own view in each subject. When I look an art, a beautiful dog carved in granite, I see a dog. When the "real" one looks it, it is after all a stone. Life is full of contradictions. And when you contradict the contradiction, again you are stamped as an Avatar!

Tubby's experience with reality:
happysmoker, the real things, are what you feel, love, hate, pain, fear . . . nothing else is real. Money is not real, it is the feeling it gives you that is real (if it gives you). you can get the same feeling from a postage stamp.

Man, you are far above all the greatest philosophers! No fear of life and death, no worry about true & false, no kindling of joy & sorrow. This attitude can only be achieved by the saints! (Again, this is another lie to coat him as a Saint!!)

Namasthe Every"buddy",
TRS Iyengar
www.trsiyengar.com
Everything you see herein are Maya - an illusion. What you brought with you when you were born? What you are going to carry with you when you die? Nothing. - Lord Krishna, in Bhagavad Gita.

thehappysmoker · #14 (**permalink**) 03-06-2004, 01:59 PM

I was going to say that I heard you the first time - but that wouldn't be honest. I READ you the first time isn't true either - I've read you before.

There's more to this than meets whatever it is it meets, or doesn't meet, as the case may, or may not, be.

Tubby · #15 (**permalink**) 03-06-2004, 05:59 PM

I expect Minstrel merely saw the humour in the original quote, and decided it was worth posting. I think he was right, the thought of dishonesty as the '2nd best policy' is brilliant.

I think that any esoteric progression since Minstrels Post must be Happysmokers fault. . . Since Minster (due to his Vast training) has naturally adopted an 'observation' roll, and I do not know what esoteric means.

I shall look the word up in my dictionary. . . Incidentally I was given a New dictionary for Christmas, I told my son "I already have one" I was told "No you don't Jesse chewed it up" (Jesse = Dog)

wenwilder · #16 (**permalink**) 03-06-2004, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tubby

Incidentally I was given a New dictionary for Christmas, I told my son "I already have one" I was told "No you don't Jesse chewed it up" (Jesse = Dog)

Honestly? ;)

thehappysmoker · #17 (**permalink**) 03-06-2004, 08:53 PM

Just a quick backward step:

If I held 1000 Dollars in my hand and a single thought in my head, the thought would probably be about the person I had just robbed.

Tubby · #18 (**permalink**) 03-06-2004, 11:34 PM

Wen, Yes, thats an honest one. I had an old Oxford dictionary that was a bit frayed, The dog finished it off, so it god dumped (I wondered where it was). . Christmas I got this big new flash Dictionary, I thought it was peculiar because on my birthday I got nothing, but I was told "I looked at some socks in Rockhampton, but they were too expensive". So It seems they were just replacing the one the flaming dog ate. . The new dictionary has small writing in it, so they bought me two pairs of 1X glasses for $2 a pair the next time they were in Brisbane. Its flaming lucky I was very good friends with their mother, other wise I would probably not allow them in the house.

trsiyengar · #19 (**permalink**) 03-07-2004, 10:20 AM

Tubby wrote:
Incidentally I was given a New dictionary for Christmas, I told my son "I already have one" I was told "No you don't Jesse chewed it up" (Jesse = Dog)

wilder hit by wen:

Honestly? ;)

thehappysmoker wrote:

Just a quick backward step:

If I held 1000 Dollars in my hand and a single thought in my head, the thought would probably be about the person I had just robbed.

only if you still think it is a 1000 Dollars note!
Might be, on second thoughts, it is a bill from a coffee shop!

TRS Iyengar
The well known, unpronouncable name for many, in this Forum!
www.trsiyengar.com

thehappysmoker · #20 (**permalink**) 03-10-2004, 04:12 PM

So I'm lying in the road unconscious, and (presumably from a sense of guilt) the driver of the car which hit me sticks 1000 bucks in my hand before driving away. Being unconscious, I don't know that it exists. Does it ? Or is it a roast chicken frozen TV dinner ?

If, as this thread seems to suggest, honesty is relative, there isn't really much point in a forum, is there ? What you write is only as true as I choose to think it is.

I can't even trust myself, because I'm no-longer sure that I ever existed either.

voodooboy · #21 (**permalink**) 03-10-2004, 06:08 PM

I can honestly say, that I believe everything I read.

First I write it,
Then I read it..

Can you believe it?

:oP

thehappysmoker · #22 (**permalink**) 03-10-2004, 06:39 PM

I'm not sure, but at least I think I can spell it.

Anyway, while I'm lying there unconscious with the grand in my hand, another guy steals it from me. When I come round, no-one tells me about the money, so I never know anything about it. How much have I lost ? (I don't even like TV dinners).