Moving from solar system to solar system: Will it be possible?

kgun · #1 (**permalink**) 11-18-2007, 03:07 PM

The solar system closest to us is 4 solar years away, so you have to move very fast (about 10 000 km/ second) to move from solar system to solar system?

Can that be possible? May be if you tangent the atmosphere of planets in our solar system to accelerate your speed.

The idea is chaotic dynamics.

mikmik · #2 (**permalink**) 11-18-2007, 10:54 PM

What do you mean by 'tangent the atmosphere'?

First, we have to develop a drive that will produce continued acceleration of 1g and then half way, deceleration of 1 g. Why? You tell me, and I will tell you if you are correct.

Okay, I might know what you mean. Using planets to 'slingshot', or, get gravitational boost.

This has zero to do with chaos, please don't insult my intelligence. The dynamics are very, very, very, very precise. Tell me you don't understand Newtonian dynamics, or general relativity.

It seems you don't.

mikmik · #3 (**permalink**) 11-18-2007, 10:57 PM

Don't forget, kgun, that I never graduated from high school. How does it feel to have a dropout that knows more than you?

kgun · #4 (**permalink**) 11-19-2007, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mikmik

This has zero to do with chaos, please don't insult my intelligence. The dynamics are very, very, very, very precise. Tell me you don't understand Newtonian dynamics, or general relativity.

It seems you don't.

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"Some years ago American scientists used "chaotic dynamics" so that a spaceship / rocket was able to leave our solar system".
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You may find it on Google.

The cite is according to my memory. I do not remember the source.

**ctabuk** · #5 (**permalink**) 11-19-2007, 11:30 AM

Why do the words KGun and chaotic dynamics seem to fit together so perfectly?

Off you go KGun - let us know what it's like out there - e-mail us

**ctabuk** · #6 (**permalink**) 11-19-2007, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by mikmik

Don't forget, kgun, that I never graduated from high school. How does it feel to have a dropout that knows more than you?

Oh dear - Oh dear - I have not laughed quite as much for a very long time

kgun · #7 (**permalink**) 11-19-2007, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ctabuk

Why do the words KGun and chaotic dynamics seem to fit together so perfectly?

Off you go KGun - let us know what it's like out there - e-mail us

I have two unread PMs in my inbox, that is unread. Will read them when I have finished rading (commenting) 3 other WPW posts.

Will I get my own planet out there? Then my wish is:

A woman that will love me for at least 3 years (My ex Danish stood me for 13 years)
A lot of fish and wild animals so I can go hunting.
Beautiful clean beaches, horses and no cars.
Some Australians and Canadians to discuss with.
English breakfeast and Ukrainian beer.

As a moderator on 2 forums, you will be on my address list.

P.S. There are a lot of ants that know more than me about ... our solar system may be, not talking about the dolphins and ....

How does the ants find their home: "There is strong indication that they navigate according to the position of the sun, magnetism etc".

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Originally Posted by ctabuk

Oh dear - Oh dear - I have not laughed quite as much for a very long time

Everything for a man from England of course

mikmik · #8 (**permalink**) 11-19-2007, 02:23 PM

ctabuk, we are alike! It is like shooting fish in a barrel, but it is fun!

mikmik · #9 (**permalink**) 11-19-2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kgun

<cite>
"Some years ago American scientists used "chaotic dynamics" so that a spaceship / rocket was able to leave our solar system".
</cite>
You may find it on Google.

The cite is according to my memory. I do not remember the source.

But of course! I just know that a wildly spinning and unpredictable spaceship will do exactly as planned, LMFAO!

Why don't you find it on google, or how about NASA?

Yeah, like how it is wildly unpredictable when you drop an apple, what will happen. I can see the future! It will drop and hit the ground!

**ctabuk** · #10 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 04:08 AM

KGun wrote

'A lot of fish and wild animals so I can go hunting'

Typical Human - arrives on a new planet and the first thought is 'wipe out the indiginous wildlife - I am Human - I kill to eat.

I suggest you take more supplies with you. Grow crops and harvest them. Learn about the different species before getting the 12 bore out.

Do a Noah's Ark - take breeding animals in your spacecraft. If you have to shoot the wildlife use a camera.

**ctabuk** · #11 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 04:15 AM

mikmik said

'It is like shooting fish in a barrel, but it is fun!'

Oh NO - another animal hater. So you take a salmon, place it in a wooden barrel and then fire a bazooka at it.

It is the end of civilisation.

thehappysmoker · #12 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 04:17 AM

Don't do that, Dave. You may put him off going.

thehappysmoker · #13 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by mikmik

Yeah, like how it is wildly unpredictable when you drop an apple, what will happen. I can see the future! It will drop and hit the ground!

Ground ? What ground ? Coffee ? Nuts ? It can be wildly unpredictable when you drop acid, what will happen. You can see the future!

If KGun didn't exist we'd have to invent him.

It is the end of civilisation. Maybe, but which end is it ?

tamecrow · #14 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 04:31 AM

This is quite possibly the best scientific discussion I've ever seen. You guys deserve your own TV show.

**ctabuk** · #15 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 04:56 AM

The End of Civilization

Can you imagine actually being in Rome when Hanibal turned up with all those Elephants

'The drains won't cope centurian, look at the size of that turd and talk about bad mannered'

'Yes Septus - I see the Senate have buggered off -well I suppose we'd better make a quick exit! At least with Spartacus he knew something about Rome's philosophies, but look at this lot, haven't seen a bath in years'

And so the sun sank on the Roman Empire

'What's this Hanibal'?

'It's a plate'

'What's it used for'?

'Ask Ernest the Greek he knows that stuff'

'OYY Greek Ern - what's a plate'?

'Dunno mate, but there's a sellers one on this afternoon and I've got ten dinahs on Turkish Delight'

thehappysmoker · #16 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by tamecrow

This is quite possibly the best scientific discussion I've ever seen. You guys deserve your own TV show.

point taken.
Okay, so we're in this "wildly spinning and unpredictable spaceship" between galaxies, and we drop an apple. Now what ?

It's just occurred to me. We're concerning ourselves with speed and acceleration, when all we really need is one of those "Beam me up Scotty" thingies. We could travel anywhere, instantaneously. (Anyone remember "The Fly" ?)

**ctabuk** · #17 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 05:57 AM

Happysmoker said 'and we drop an apple. Now what '?

That would be an Appellation

In fact the apple would simply float -it would be pulled by gravitation and would begin it's journey around the cosmos.

So why don't they build a spaceship based on magnetic gravitational fields - let the sun pull it then turn left or right when you see something interesting?

tamecrow · #18 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ctabuk

So why don't they build a spaceship based on magnetic gravitational fields - let the sun pull it then turn left or right when you see something interesting?

Whilst I'm by no means a physicist, I'm not sure this would work (assuming I'm on the same line of thought here). The sun's gravitational pull is immense. Pluto and other planetary objects in the Kuiper belt at a distance of 39AU~ (or 3.62527962 × 10^9 miles) are still subject to the Sun's gravitational pull and it's likely that undiscovered objects with an even greater AU are subject to it also. With this in mind, your theoretical spaceship would require a significant mass in order to repel this force and continue along an independent, self-perpetuating course.

**ctabuk** · #19 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 06:17 AM

I'm far too technically advanced on Astro Physics - don't they sell tin foil in Dunstable