i know what you were saying i'm just not sure how to make the design more updated. do i need to put links across the top?? dropdown menu categories at the top. the ecommerce software im using paypal shop maker 3.0 just makes a pretty basic(i guess tired & old) design that I have been trying to change to look better. I just didnt have the money to go spend $2k-15k for a totally awesome up to date design so I am trying to learn as i go. I have never really messed with css or java till now and there is definitely a steep learning curve. i have been writing html for about 13 years and compared to whats out now im a dinosaur.