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Originally Posted by inertia
If Google responded more efficiently to black hat techniques (whether algorithmically or when webmasters reported them) then there would be far fewer people attempting to employ black hat techniques. That would level the playing field for us all. I agree that we don't need a "police state" but how many sites do you see in the top ten that don't even comply to G's guidelines?! G could tighten the net a lot more before it gets anywhere near to a "police state".
The argument about building a site for the SE versus the user comes up on a regular basis here. I don't really understand why? None of us make sites purely for one or the other, we make sites for both! Whats the point in building a site purely for the user if you haven't got any?
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Show me one SERP that is completely dominated by sites that are blackhatted into the top 10. You won't find any.
Not complying with the G-guidelines doesn't imply that you're thus a blackhatter.
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The argument about building a site for the SE versus the user comes up on a regular basis here. I don't really understand why? None of us make sites purely for one or the other, we make sites for both! Whats the point in building a site purely for the user if you haven't got any?
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If you build a site you should follow the HTML standards. You do that for your users and you make life for a search engine a lot easier too. The thing is that often
SEO's say that they use better link structure, titles, etc. for the search engines, but in reality you do that for the user. And if you do that for the user, search engines will reward you. Not because you´re doing it for them, but because you make it easier for them to index and understand the content of your website.
Blackhat sites are exceptions in the SERP's of the search engines. If you can't get a high ranking that doesn't mean it is because of blackhat sites. Sure you can find examples of a blackhat site having a top 10 position, even in first position. But if your main conceren is that 1 keyword at that specific position, then you´re missing out on a lot of search engine refered visitors.